Expansion Ecml From Doncaster Extended To London Kings Cross

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  1. Folup1372#8582

    Folup1372#8582 Well-Known Member

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    Today, I will be suggesting the ECML Expansion to London King's Cross.
    Reason for the Expansion:
    The addition of the ECML to London King's Cross would significantly enrich the game world by bringing a major high-speed route into the fold. The East Coast Main Line is one of the busiest and most iconic railways in the UK, connecting key cities like Edinburgh, York, and London. This route, coupled with the Class 700, Class 717, Class 387, and Class 801, would allow players to experience a wide range of modern train services, from high-speed intercity trains to suburban and commuter services.

    Many players have expressed interest in seeing this expansion in the forums, as it would not only increase the diversity of train operations but also give them a chance to experience one of the most well-known and challenging rail corridors in the UK. The addition of multiple trains operating on the same route would create dynamic, varied gameplay, enhancing replayability and catering to both casual players and hardcore enthusiasts.

    Here are the trains included
    Class 801:
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    Class 717:
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    Class 700:
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    Class 387:
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    Scenarios:
    "The Morning Rush" – Level 1
    • Train: Class 717

    • Description: Start your day at Finsbury Park operating a commuter service to Stevenage. It's a busy time, but the schedule is manageable and the route is relatively short. The focus here is on keeping up with the train timings and making smooth station stops.

    • Objective: Drive the Class 717 from Finsbury Park to Stevenage. Stopping at key stations along the way and ensuring a smooth journey.

    • Difficulty: Easy (Beginner-level scenario with emphasis on basic operations.)

      The Intercity Commuter – Level 3
      • Train: Class 801

      • Description: You’re in charge of a high-speed intercity service travelling from London King's Cross, But Due to OHLE Maintenance, you will be running on diesel Power and to as far as Peterborough

      • Objective: Drive the Class 801 from King's Cross to Peterborough, ensuring you stay within time limits and manage speed appropriately on high-speed sections.

      • Difficulty: Medium (Intermediate-level scenario with a focus on speed management and timekeeping.)
    Afternoon Desiros - Level 2

    Train: Class 700
    • Description: Start your day at London King's Cross, driving a Class 700 on a busy Thameslink service to Peterborough. This is a fairly straightforward commuter route, and your goal is to handle the tight schedule and stop at all stations along the way. You'll experience a mix of suburban traffic and quick station turns.
    • Objective: Drive the Class 700 from London King's Cross to Peterborough, making smooth station stops and keeping to the schedule.
    • Difficulty: Easy (Basic driving and station management.)
    East Coast Savior- Level 4:
    • Trains: Class 387 & Class 717

    • Description: Start with a Class 387 service from London King's Cross to Stevenage, managing suburban traffic and ensuring quick stops at intermediate stations. Then switch to the Class 717 for another commuter service back down to Finsbury Park.

    • Objective: Drive the Class 387 from London King's Cross to Stevenage, then switch to the Class 717 and complete the journey to Finsbury Park

    • Difficulty: Medium (Requires smooth transitions between different train types and route types.)
      I hope all of you enjoy and consider my suggestion!
     
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  2. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    That's well over 100 miles. The current route is 75-80 (I think) miles alone.

    Ain't going to happen.
     
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  3. thomas#9589

    thomas#9589 Active Member

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    Maybe a separate ECML route. It would give DTG the opportunity for the 225 sets.
     
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  4. eMAyTeeTee

    eMAyTeeTee Well-Known Member

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    Running on Diesel from King's Cross to Peterborough in an 801? No thanks. In an 800, sure
     
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  5. Double Yellow

    Double Yellow Well-Known Member

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    Not if DTG were making it. Absolutely not. Some other third party dev would have to take up the mantle.
     
  6. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Only if set in a different era, Deltics and Valenta HST’s.
     
  7. Folup1372#8582

    Folup1372#8582 Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah like WCML London euston - Milton Keynes and Preston - Carlisle
    Alright
     
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  8. UnlimitedMagic

    UnlimitedMagic Well-Known Member

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    Route length isn’t an issue. The whole map won’t be loaded in at once. If they do run into an issue it’ll be costs related if anything
     
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  9. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    No, but the average service length is around 1 and a half to 2 hours (in the current route the York services are around an hour alone). Which would be off-putting for many people. Then you've got the London area with many stations.

    If we were to get a route from King's Cross, it'd be better off being separate.
     
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  10. Folup1372#8582

    Folup1372#8582 Well-Known Member

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    I Can Kind Of Understand Now
     
  11. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    I don't think any over developer - certainly not the companies (i.e. Rivet, JT, Skyhook) - would be able to either.

    Even for a solo project it would take forever with no reward so the person who takes up the challenge would probably need to somehow have a good bit of money (if they plan on buying help in certain areas but especially with the new Google restrictions) and a lot of free time.
     
  12. Double Yellow

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    Hmm, I still think the likes of JT could pull it off. They’ve already proven they’re more than capable of making a 100+ mile route, now if they were to tackle this project than they’d need to take it up a notch.
    The London area and all its stations heading towards Stevenage is the most challenging part of the route build, again there’s plenty of countryside and they already have start and end point built. After seeing King’s Cross semi built on Mildway, it makes me think a route leaving Kings Cross was always on the cards. Will it be to Peterborough, that’s the question?
     
  13. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Curious to hear what those are? Although I've pretty much retired from any form of route buildings there's always the off chance I might dust off the TSC editor, for which I still have an old API key.
     
  14. Concorde9289

    Concorde9289 Well-Known Member

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    The longer services can be split into 2 parts, and there would be plenty of shorter services as well.
     
  15. matjamcar

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    Careful what you wish for. Don’t want Rivet doing it. It would have to be done with love and care and Rivet doesn’t qualify.
     
  16. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Well if JT did it, we would almost certainly get our Deltic and Paxman HST, or Paxman and Class 91 plus Mark 4’s.
     
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  17. eMAyTeeTee

    eMAyTeeTee Well-Known Member

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    Ohhh I would love that so much
     
  18. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Afaik it's a credit system now with a much lower allowance than what there used to be, a few folk on the editor sub forum have mentioned that.

    I use it for TSC but I use so little of it I'm comfortably in the safe zone so didn't bother to look into it, tbh.
     
  19. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    If I ever delve back into route building I will stick with Trainz and Transdem, where you can use OSM overlays. Or hopefully at some point Diesel Railcar Sim will improve their editor to incorporate real world data (something like the Central Wales Line from Craven Arms to Pantyfynnon would sit nicely in that game).
     

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