About The proposed section of this network spans approximately 114.5 miles (184.2 km). The network includes 25 passenger stations, with services running a mix of all-stop and express patterns. Key service routes include: Go Transit Lakeshore East Go Transit Lakeshore West Via Rail Toronto – Niagara Falls (Maple Leaf) Toronto - Windsor Toronto - Ottawa Toronto - Montreal There may be opportunity for limited freight services as well. Via Rail Corridor There are 4 via rail services. Toronto - Niagara Falls running xx miles (xx km) stopping at a 6 stations. There are 2 services in each direction per day Toronto - Windsor running xx miles (xx km) stopping at 3 stations.There are 4 services in each direction per day Toronto - Ottawa stopping at 3 stations. There are 8 services in each direction per day Toronto - Montreal stopping at 3 stations. There are 6 services in each direction per day Lakeshore East Line Trains run every 15 minutes on weekdays and every 30 on weekends. All services are all stop There are 10 stations Lakeshore West Line On weekdays, local service operates every 30 minutes east of Aldershot and every 60 minutes at West Harbour. In addition, eleven daily express trains operate during peak and off-peak periods, of which four operate between Toronto and Hamilton GO Centre, two to West Harbour, two to Aldershot, and three to Niagara Falls. On weekends, local service operates every 30 minutes between Union and Aldershot, and every 60 minutes between Aldershot and West Harbour. Three express trains per day operate between Toronto and Niagara Falls. There are 15 stations Rollingstock Go Transit MPI MP40PH-3C MPI MP54AC EMD F59PH Via Rail GE P42DC Siemens SCV-42 GMD F40PH-2D
So basically you just want an extension of the existing Oakville route which is the part of this around Hamilton. As has been stated, DTG said they don't have the licensing for the consumer parts. Could add the AMTRAK bit and the CN parts are already in it. However, the forum was very upset it didn't have commuter runs in it, so it didn't do as well as hoped. It's a fair criticism in that much of the traffic in that area would be commuter stuff in real life. Now they could "fake it" but there's also a huge outcry against that too... so Oakville sits as it is. Pity because it's a really nice route, very detailed. A few bugs and not modern lighting, but so much wasted potential.
Really love the VIA SC42 oh and coaches and cab car but again it's too long, Lakeshore West Line, maybe? as it also includes the MP40PH, MP54AC and the SC42 and the F59PHR/ F40PH can be layered from other foutes
That would be the main issue i don't they do either but you never know. It would be a bit long and would be realistic to cut it at Toronto.
It's a shame as when they talked about adding that rolling stock using "close enough" livery on the ones for peninsula corridor I was quite hopeful. It's doubly a shame with losing those Caltrain services from TSW6
Agreed. While not my favorite route, it was nice. However, there are a sizable number of people on the forum who are willing to lose content rather than let it appear "unbranded." Personally I think it's short sighted and throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Maybe the solution is to have an unbranded or fake livery with an option to have that rollingstock turned on and off
Either is fine what i am suggesting is having both as separate routes and using Toronto as a common station
You can turn layers on and off already and AI. I suppose if you don't decide to PLAY as that livery (or never leave the cab) then it's effectively the same thing. However, there will still be people that will oppose it because they want to determine what is good for other people.
There was more to it than that, mainly controversy around the fact unused trackage was still plainly visible on the map, making some think there was more usable than there actually was. I also believe there was quite a bit of fatigue around the constant reuse of the GP38-2 at the time. You got to bare in mind that every route had it at this point, and people were getting kind of tired of the six-axle units getting shafted. I suspect it's probably the reason the GP38-2 hasn't really featured on anything since besides Skyhook's Horseshoe Curve since. Again, more to it than that, there's accepting unbranded content, and then there's just using unmodified Caltrain units livery and all. If DTG had modified them with a matching livery with the branding removed like they've done for select stock on GWE they might've seen less push-back on it. The fact the latter got much better reception than the former I think supports this idea quite a bit.
I guess that makes sense to you if that's what you think happened at the time. Let's just be charitable and say not everyone remembers it that way and it was a lot more "all or nothing." Liveries for example weren't a matter of "using Caltrain liveries." It was "If it's not 100% Via Rail livery exactly correct then it shouldn't be done." Those complaints you listed didn't start with Oakville are more current evolutions of those arguments and are still opposed on other, newer routes. Those are more modern interpretations that came after a number of routes were similarly hampered by inaccessible track and lack of branding flexibility. It's not like those are "solved" things or we're more "enlightened" now. Still huge debate going on. WCMLOS had a lot of "inaccessible track" and there's still vocal opponents to the latest "unbranded" suggestion by DTG. Bottom line is that I'm not convinced the game is in a "better" state than it was with Oakville for a "rework." If anything the game is less freight friendly and the fact that many scenarios were never fixed so can't be completed showed they ditched the route far earlier than they did others. Oakville was a lot of things they moved away from. Again, I'd love for it to be otherwise, but if GWE is still waiting on it's "remaster" and that's a relatively popular route, don't hold your breath on Oakville. It would be near the bottom of the list for DTG.
I really hope GO Transit and VIA Rail change their minds about that. BNSF used to have a licensing policy where they would restrict selling featured products outside the US, but they eventually changed it, prompting them to add Cajon Pass. But even if we never get those, I still want to see it updated, as it’s a cool route as is. And if you have access to mods, they solve the timetable problem, but not the route updates problem.
