Liveries Livery Concept Test Program (gbr)

Hey I struggle to answer or assist with this. For I do have a massive gap in knowledge in these areas of region’s you mention.
So if you would like me to do some areas for you but using my theme could you possibly assist me with that.
My side of regional work and areas are done because the basic idea concepts has now been produced.
And why I myself is slowly getting around to working on the 390 and then the 800 series.

Which brings me to on to this,,,,,,

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Boo you

I think that since me and TMH met a couple of weeks back we’ve had a few quick chats about GBR and is why I have maybe assisted in sharing some ideas for TMH for his work to look slightly similar to the APT work.
But to be far I’m sure my work might look similar to something else on the net because working on the basic concept of a simple design is quite common so may share some similarities.

More so if to people are sharing work and ideas. Why I like to share work and see other work as it can give me something to think about and also the other person in the room to possibly think about.

The if I say Elephant you will think about an Elephant.

Like what we have done in the past is happening here also. Where both inspiring each other.
Could be where respect comes into play and give a nod to those that may have been a part of that inspiration to them.

So for TMH work it’s basic as that’s both our core design principles. Colouring is not CC and so is widely used as in this case with the white red and blue. UK Flag, (Union Jack). It’s the most logical colour to use.

As here is my version coming together. (Very Slowly I’ll DM you MM)


All the 390 I’ve done including the APT with the R200 are designed with GBR theme in mind. These would have been altered after Railway 200 was over. The GBR was a possible project after R200 so as you can see with 390 016 above it has the theme seen on 390 013.

That IC theme away from regional work is a separate theme yet again with its own distinct theme to match across all 390 sets.
Each one slightly different taking historical cues from past branding like LMS built into a more modern design.
Why the work for old R200 work is still on going because it’s linked to GBR work and theme.

Why I said it’s all part of the master plan. And why touching upon old R200 for which I had planned by have members come over to the TSLP paint shop so all work or any of my or their projects could have been run under one management again what I offered to HIM, for task to be centralised for easy of all members.

Anyway that’s the past all I can think about now is the future because tbh I’m still finding it hard.
So yes this little thing going on here is a great distraction and if anything I appreciate THM being here as much as you.

I said about ripping up the rule book so to speak. Me saying let’s not be so stuffy as I do feel I was being like that in some cases.

I was told to have FUN by DTG Matt years ago. So let’s have some fun
Because for just me and you it’s been a rough couple of weeks.

Let’s stay strong and positive a

Rigsby.
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Hey I thought I’d jump in. It’s not problem as I feel we are sharing work and ideas indirectly if that makes sense.

I don’t mind anyone sharing or getting involved with me for say making a vision come true.
So with the 390 yet not so much the 800 sets I would like to see a full fleet all rebranded. Why not.
It’s a bit of fun and how cool would it be to see so much variety. TSW is a simulation game so why not simultaneously explore fictional work including the simulation aspects of what on offer. What could be etc.

A vision that’s all. And one I openly share like the fool I am
(Ref to other events away from here)

It’s all gravy (Good)

I’ll have my set to show you soon.
Gotta dash tho.

Rigsby.
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I would quite like to see your take on a GBR Northern livery or Something for the NSE region, if your up for it?

 

Sure I’m always up for a new challenge. If you have basic criteria for the design then I’ll get on to when I can.

I’ll be resurrecting this.

A mock run or test.

I’m not sure if you’d be up for some tube stock as I’d like to mess around with those but don’t have the time, so maybe you could look at Underground stock if fancy that.

So yes I will have a play and if you could provide me some basic outline of what your looking for, ie on what unit.

Cheers.

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Well here’s my 390 with a GBR IC theme.

I’ve stayed away from any new logo brand by playing with some old BR brands instead. I’ll be doing a full GBR theme separately away from the APT IC theme (R200 Conversion to GBR).

In this design I’ve gone for a British Airways look. So the flag logo has the contours of a wing. I’m playing around with different styles to see what works best or looks the part basically.

Now 390 016 is fully completed I have a better idea for what I’d like to see from my next 390 full GBR concept livery.

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A little peek of Her running on a mainline.

I was passing the 350 so I thought why not spend the extra time taking a few more pictures.

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I think doing a bit of research on the area helps, what colour best represents the region, i.e for the Thames & Chiltern region I found that a Grey for the Chilterns and Light Blue for the Thames works well.
If you can, find a way to integrate the traditional Blue, White and Red and the GBR logo in some capacity, also if possible find some way to represent the region through some motif, image, or anything really. It does require quite of free time, if you're a bit of a perfectionist and has more of a research aspect to it.

 

Okay you’re right about the grey because I’ve used that colour for East Anglia area and light blue for chiltern. The colours for the regions I’ve currently been doing are reference for an article I was reading. I thought it was a nice clean way of presenting a new concept.

As this GBR theme if all went to plan would have been my suggestion to any team I had, because to make it right I’d need some of their knowledge. I can and do have some knowledge but I can’t store it well. So things like Brighton Belle line as it served Southampton Docks. I’m interested in Ocean Liners you see. I’ve watched thousands of hours of many videos from 1820s right up to mid 2000s and all the various franchises that have been and gone. Even some regions before the groupings of the big 4. I have access to the BR corporate branding so things like NSE is not a problem. Was on the cards for some time actually yet held of due to fears of any CC infringements.

What you have provided as a basic design task I can run with no problem. I can find the information easy enough it’s just because I can struggle to remember it all or even taking the information in.

You’ve explained the basic design principles perfectly

Thanks for this.
It might take a few days to get some basic design work for you to see but I will get on to it soon.
Just so I’m not doubting myself but what Class of unit would you use. I have all Uk DLC bar the odd one or two so which ever you prefer really for that region of operations.

I’ll be okay then and so can get out of your hair and crack on.

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Can't wait to see what you come up with! Happy designing!

 

Cheers, did some basic research yesterday.

Then late last night had this in my news feed.
Government link.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...d-train-being-united-on-south-eastern-railway

Interesting read after our recent chats on southern regions.

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Right, back with my Thames & Chiltern design for the class 170
I've got a crystalline design for this one, the grey depicts the chalky landscape of the Chilterns and The light blue, if not obvious depicting the Thames.



The base livery looking great as always Glad I finally finished this as I was having a lot of trouble finding how to depict the Chilterns without using hills again, but I think I have done quite well with this one.

 

Hey I think you’ve done well with the direction you have. Looks very modern with the use of the triangles.

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Came from nowhere this one.

With no distractions I’ve been able to think about GBR branding and logo.
I’m aware that the London 2012 logo would again be something similar (Edit) used or seen again.

Then this idea seemed to come out of nowhere
What do you think?.



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You seen to have such a good eye for design, how do you come up with these ideas? In other words I've started trying using AI to help refine some ideas, but as soon as I attempt the ideas in the livery creator it always ends up looking off. Any advice to try conceal the little bit of perfectionism inside if me and just be happy with a design?

 

Hey there

For creating or coming up with ideas is what I naturally tend to do. Looking and think is a default setting so will always be creating something in my mind. Why I try including others so ideas can be shared to be enjoyed for all I have that many.

A clear goal is one or it will all seem pointless even lost. Struggling for ideas or ideas that works together in creating what the user wants or needs. That there is an important aspect of what I do, the difference between wanting and needing is all part of ideas becoming a reality.
No core aim or larger goals can distract from any ideas or vision becoming more.


This is something I’ve always told myself including past members involved with me in that it’s not about a livery or creating a livery, we can all do that. It’s about the meaning and purpose of it all that can make ideas come together.

All I can suggest is stay still in the silence. Let the passion flow through and let the mind be free from the noise.
Sit, look and let the creative mind do the rest. Don’t just think about trying to just make a livery, create something more. This will help when applying and ideas or vision clearly because you know what you want.

Step back and look. Re work or even start again. Testing is all part of what I do.
Example.

The first logo is one that just flooded out.
Now I look and adjust in more detail to refine. What you see is old too, for a bugging issue in grouping has forced me to re make this logo from scratch. Not good DTG, I can’t work like this.


It can evolve from this current look to. Build and build yet must be mindful to not to lose vision by filling or adding for adding sake.
A logo must speak and so be clear in that message.

I must also add that I’m aware the BR logo is NOT my creation and so respect the artist original design.
This logo is an icon so must be preserved. Not rubbed out of pulled apart thus losing the original design and message.

Been a while since focusing on just a logo like I have with this. Most of what I do is toying around due to time, yet this theme type of conceptual work I love doing so fully focused on this one. BR Arrow logo and combination of the Union Jack is a challenge for me to overcome along with the larger picture. All must work in harmony not clash.

You must have a good eye thought to know when something doesn’t look right. To be able to see suggest your on the right path, don’t settle or be lazy, say no even if it means wasting hours of work.
If something doesn’t look right and you’re reading what the work is saying then you can find the fix once you pin down the areas that fail your expectations.
Nothing wrong with being self conscious or critical about work. It’s a good thing and shows you care.
Any work a person does is a reflection of that persons worth. Some settle, some want more.
It’s all a challenge in pushing yourself, testing, refining and improving even growing. I wouldn’t say any of this without doing the same.
Pushing for 3 or 4 years in order to reach the level that we see. The increase in decals helped massively with quality tho.
Wasn’t easy then and still hard now, because my mountain is high.

I feel to have a vision or see something others don’t can be bad for some looking in. Fear of change or standing by something they believe in. Yet it’s all to create, to build. As this logo is designed to work with the whole reskin and that reskin or livery has a theme too.
My little project or R200 now all the noise has left.

A Rocket

One I must be riding with so much to do.
I thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic shared.

By sharing I mean to Inspire others like Railway 200 has me.
Railway 200 is about being together. So does the BR logo. It means bringing the nation together.
Railways always have.

So does the Union Jack
Meaning a purpose and what it says about the people of that nation.

Great British Railways. Emphasis on the word great.
Can Britain be great again and be proud of the last 200 years of British engineering in railway technologies or locomotive advancements.
Many that get overlooked. So do the people that helped for all that to happen.

From a crazy idea to reality, it was the people of this once proud nation that made it so.

Rigsby.
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390 007 Nine car set. ‘Treaty of Union’ / ‘1707’

Awaiting a green light


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A one off from the planned sets already awaiting the final touches .

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Great British Railways. My Opinions on livery reveal.

I feel I’m free to pass opinions on a state owned railway and its new livery or branding.

So my first reaction after seeing the new branding was one of complete disappointment.
My first words were “it’s looks like a Team GBR Olympic train livery”.
It’s so far removed from its routes it’s unrecognisable. All it speak is cheap.
A cheap rushed livery with this annoying focus on displaying the Union Jack. It seem the only thing on the design board as the key design point.

A design has to speak and to me all it speaks a livery that will age in time and make Great Britain look cheap while remaining, even innovated designs would put Great Britain on the map again after so many design icons.
The 60s, and fashion, then the 70s the rail advancements and birth of the famous BR Arrow Design.
It’s all be thrown away for this lousy even child like design.

To sum up I just don’t think the livery pays respect or how I’d like to design feel should represent Great Britain and those that made it so.

Design has always been of interest of mine and since spending time with TSW it’s grown over time.
This thread has been set up for me and for others to have fun while investigating different designs and what the community feel would work.
A wider audience or public opinion or discussion would help TSW creators to play around.
It’s definitely looks like the official GBR livery has been created on TSW. It’s been used by the promotional teams.

Makes sense if they did use TSW. Buy the game at discount and livery design becomes cheaper for companies over larger design houses.
Why I use TSW myself. No PC, no messing around. Ok the odd thing but nothing that’s going to be costly or make a company lose money.

Those of you that follow me and this thread will see I’ve been playing around with many designs, starting with the plain and simple design seen mostly on the 323/377 or 387s. For larger designs or for the class 390 their design concept had Railway 200 at the core with GBR being secondary. Yet each one designed was all little experimental designs working out what looked right, what pleased the eye and what the overall design would say. Again design must speak.


So with this near close to end design I end up with these as the driving force behind key design decisions.
The Front end and use of black. This is to reflect on our past stream heritage.
Large clear or open spaces using a pale cream colour. I feel Britain is a county that had class and sophistication. So by using the cream colour again lends a nod to the stream days of class and sophistication. It all serves as a clear space, representing a clear future or if using art work then using our past heritage of great achievements for a driving force to meet even exceed massive engineering achievements or challenges facing GBR.

Then for the flag design and placement near doors and where the coaches meet. I believe having it here represent the British people coming together as they board. The flag is our identity the people. So where the flag is located means we the British people coming together and getting behind GBR by supporting our new government ran railways.
I’m only using TSW tho so greatly limited in what I’d truly design if I had the tools and knowledge of them.

However it still hasn’t prevented me from playing around with a final design while factoring in different regions.
The key element in this design is cost, keeping to a standard brand identity while displaying all regional areas.
I’ve chosen the class 350 as a starting point.
I will add after doing some research using the new official GBR livery it didn’t seem to work on most classes.
The front end of a train varies and so can get very tight or busy with a front end design. This can impede on design lines of they meet a window wrong or end up sitting in a position where it might throw the whole look of the design out the window.

So using the design from the 390 I’ve just compressed the design and banged that ICON right up front.
Why not?. Fans loved a large logo livery. So altering the BR blue so it appears more clean and modern I do feel it works.

Looks odd to begin with but so did some BMW designs. Bold design will do that and so I feel the BR logo should be up front doing the talking not a livery that looks a trainer not a train. I’m sorry but the new GBR livery has no class, it’s not brave or interesting enough.
Again it just looks like it’s a Team GBR livery for the Olympic Games with no care to what this new livery says.

An arrow pointing forward for the future. 8 decals for the BR logo and GBR and it’s done. Is that it!.
Is that all this new design has to say about such a great nation. It’s going forward. Yes I know every sec that passes is forward.
And politically speaking I don’t think we can safely assume GBR can carry a nation that’s sadly on its knees right now.
How ironic we have a Union Jack on a train yet councils pull them down.
Doesn’t make much sense if you ask me.

GBR by focusing the design on the flag is a slight insult because the flag also represents a falling country lead by an unfit government.
You had or have an ICON for British Rail. The BR Arrow is railways not a flag representing what.
A Nation. The British people who right now have no pride in our hearts.

No pride in a nation the flag means nothing.
The only way anyone will go forward is fixing the country.
You can’t run a railway with no money, that seems to be the future of the British people. Skint, no moral, no future.

So GBR if you’re going to fly the Flag then it must be done with pride from its nation. The people, not a kid with just a few colour crayons.

Remember it’s we the people that give you power.
All I can ask for is to reverse or review the design. It’s not the time.

I’m sure the nation will get behind GBR when money isn’t so tight.

Rigsby.
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New GBR livery concept for the class 801.

Okay so a new look for the GBR Intercity services.
The class 390 will also be getting a fresh new look, I’ll talk more about the 390 soon.
For now I’ll quickly share the concept livery for the class 801. The design brief is similar to that of the class 350 or regional network.
Keeping that ICON up front, if been working on blending the two better.

You could say there interim design for now, with a bit more to do yet.
I’m not happy with the official GBR livery design and I will not settle for anything with my own design.

I feel due to it being a national opinion then I would like to hear more from the public and community in what would they like to see done.
I want the people of this nation to be proud of their new look for the railways.

Bye for now Folks.
Rigsby.
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