At least on the TSC discord server. I saw some people saying they should totally bring the class 800 into the game and being disappointed that its omitted in the upcoming TSW6. (And also now we have the Class 801 (LNER) and soon Class 802 (GWR) and Class 805 (Avanti)). But really is it anything different at all in terms of driving empierce? Truly the only difference are the passenger interiors and spec, 802 and 801 have the same kitchen and first class section size just that ones bi-mode other is electric only and Class 805 has a different kitchen size and smaller first class section being on one carriage only. Both Class 802 and Class 805 uses the same diesel engine and irl i believe the class 800 is the same too. And maybe a few cab differences here and there (i am unsure but would that be limited to TOC differences?) So unlike the HST where the engine is sounds different depending on which engine does the HST you drive have. Is it really needed for the class 800 when the driving experience for class 801, class 802 and class 805 would be exactly the same just that you're running on diesel and or electric? just want to know your thoughts on here because personally. The less IET there is, the better because i have a bias against them as a passenger.
Having the 801, 802 and 805 does feel necessary to me, as they are all used by different operators in different parts of the country and in different situations. It doesn't particularly bother me that the 800 wasn't included, not this time, since it doesn't really make too much difference. Both drive on both diesel and wires. I am still slightly bothered that the lner 800 was never included as being bi-mode it has more layering potential than the 801 (Fife Circle), but I guess I got omitted due to Peterborough to Doncaster being entirely electric so having both was deemed unnecessary
No. That leaves something to come out later. If you already have 3 members of the family, you can't say the family is being ignored.
i agree. I mean the cabs the same but some buttons are rearranged here and there and the lines you drive on could be different and thats really about it. And we got 3 variants among the IET class too.
Not bothered at all to be honest, the 8xx family are all very identical from a gameplay perspective and we'll have three members of that family in TSW6. The 802 stands out for having an analogue speedometer and ATP, though I'm not sure if that system will be featured in TSW. The 805 looks nigh-on identical in cab to the 801 from the photos I've seen. I do like the Avanti livery though! There are other omissions that I'm more concerned about, these specific ones run on water and coal...
too real. especially classes of locos and trains that are highly requested yet still not included in the game yet is criminal.
The 800 would be subtly different, less powerful than an 802 when on diesel mode. I'm glad both 5 and 9 car variants are included on the 802, that's enough for me. I do hope the stark contrast in performance between diesel and electric modes is well represented though.
If my knowledge of GWR Cucumber operations is correct the 800’s are largely confined to the flatter routes - Paddington to Bristol and South Wales plus Cheltenham and the Cotswolds. So while not impossible, you are not likely to see an 800 west of Taunton very often.
The lack of an 800 doesn't really bother me, I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the two if I saw them in real life (besides the obvious number). More so, I would have really liked a 221, although I understand why its not in and I wasn't really expecting it to be.
What is the reason it’s not a 221? Given that Riviera will be its ‘home’ route, the 220 is the wrong train for XC operations there anyway.
I should rephase that. "I understand why it wasn't both and I really wasn't expecting it to be" I should say. Was only expecting one or the other but would have liked both. Not sure why they picked a 220 over a 221, really I have no idea about which are used where and on what services, never really looked into it individually too much, always just thought of them as voyagers.
220’s are 4 car sets & have no tilt system. 221’s are 5 car & can tilt. The latter is irrelevant since XC has disabled the tilt on the 221’s though. They probably want to do the 221 as a later DLC for AWC I’d imagine, no point developing the tilting 221 for a ToC that doesn’t use it & I’d imagine a 221 will go down better as a later DLC than the 220 which arguably has ‘less’ to it.
If I had to guess it’s a similar situation to the 800 vs 801 for LNER. XC couldn’t guarantee what would be available on the day, and it ended up being a 220 rather than a 221.
To be honest I find it more annoying that we don't have an LNER class 800 than a GWR one, as it means we can't play LNER services on Fife Circle.
