Nec: New York - Stamford

On a silver lining, still have some opportunities with yard switching and some locals at the east end. But, would also mean that there would be some ai services going off map for both the link & Fresh Pond, even for what looks to be an SD40 on the map (this should be fun)
(Note: and yes, it's an SD40 due to the road numbers on the front board if you squint at it)

 

This is a route that I have wanted since day one. I'm so thrilled that is finally happening. Of course, would've love for it to be longer but years ago when we asked for it we all new that New Haven was a bridge too far. Just the fact that we are getting NY Penn and Grand central with both the NEC and metro north line with all that NYC scenery, just a very happy person today. This is my home route (the Bronx) and I can't wait for it.

 

Did you get your tickets for the New Haven Open House in October?

 

Have to also realize not every route is created equal. Some routes are much more complex. If it has a lot of tracks, complex signaling, lots of signals, dense scenery and a lot going on, it will increase development time. Although they may reuse parts, it still needs to be remade or retextured, rebaked or upgraded to some degree which also uses development time. They have deadlines in place and a budget and the more complex a route, the longer it will take

 

I really hope that the GP40-2 and the SW1000R return with this route

 

i think the map released today by DTG might have answered it for you already

 

Calm down m8

See what I did there

 

Yes, we are all very happy

 

So I'm stupid, can someone highlight in big red marker which bits of this route were on the old TSW1 NEC route

 

The NEC section between New Rochelle and New York Penn station.

 

Interesting, thanks, I could have sworn it was longer than that but been a while since I played

 

I’m not from New York but if anyone could answer it I would appreciate it. How close does the NEC and MTA main line out of GCT get to each other? Is Dovetail going to have to fill out most of NYC between the 2 lines or are they that close?

 

Well technically since this dlc is being announced, NY-Stamford that is, the original dlc was Newark Aiport to New Rochelle(terrible end points btw). The original section between Penn and Newark Aiport is in the NY-Trenton dlc and now original section between New Rochelle and NYP is in thr upcoming NY-Stanford dlc....As far as the freight which was originally in the tsw 1 NEC route, I'm not sure if they would also include the freight route from Oak Point Yard to Fresh Pond Yard..

 

lots of tall buildings in between and the areas that are close are both underground

 

Close-ish, if you're on the Harlem River Lift Bridge and look south, on a clear day you can juuuuust see the Hell Gate. Other than that, it's mostly underground like Max said. There actually used to be a direct freight connection between the two called the Port Morris Branch, but that was abandoned after the Oak Point Link opened...
https://michaelminn.net/newyork/mobility/port-morris-branch/index.html

Other than that, you would never see the two from each other while in Midtown. Even once you're in either terminal, it's four or five long blocks and another eight shorts just to walk, so not exactly around the corner.

 

Going off the graphic in the Aug roadmap Pt 2, it looks like we are getting the Harlem Waste and Hunts Pt Yard branches...but not Fresh Pond Yard (Not too unhappy about this as we are getting the extension to Stamford plus the link from the Harlem Line)

Too early for any info regarding what stock is included, but the return of the SW1000R seems like a no-brainer and the GP40-2 would be a great addition

 

I would look at the map that was release by DTG on the roadmap. It shows what locos will be included

 

If that’s the official route map Sigh….. I guess it is what it is

 

As much as I appreciate everyone's love for the SW1000, I'd honestly rather see one of the newer Amtrak work engines like the GP15, or maybe a Metro-North GP35.

Someone else noted this before, but I'm also hoping that we get AC4400CW layers for the freight ops. They seem to be the more dominant species down there as of late...

 

There's a lot more factors in developing a route than the number of miles, just like there's a lot more factors in one's physical condition than the number of pounds on a scale.

 

I know it shows the M8, M7A & SD-40 but it may not be the final line-up

 

It’s just frustrating for routes getting cut short or not adding small branch lines like look at LIRR they could’ve extended to Huntington an actual terminal for the LIRR or even the new Morristown line majority of the arrow 3 services go to Gladstone but with the new route it’s seem majority might terminate at summit and now With the Stamford route it seems like they’re not adding the New Canaan branch or adding the Norton Height station to Give New Haven bound trains at least stop other than Stamford to stop at

 

Thank you not to mention the Montclair Boonton Line, which is separate between Newark Broad St and Denville, if you goin to ONLY end at Dover at least include the MBL as well.

And don't get me started on the LIRR lol. I've been had my points on that dlc both the old and 2.0 lol.

 

In the roadmap stream Matt answered a question about the old "original section of the route (NYP - New Rochelle). He said "nothing from the original route is there." That section is getting re done. He also said that Grand Central is getting the lower level.

 

I would’ve liked to see it going to New Haven as well, but that is a lot of stations and a lot of cities in one, probably the most cities out of anything TSW would have. Other than the obvious in NYC (including both Queens and the Bronx), we’d be looking at New Rochelle, Stamford, Bridgeport (including Stratford), and New Haven. You’re looking at 31 station stops with much of the line being either urban and suburban and filled with buildings. That’s a huge task to accomplish.

Montclair-Boonton would be nice but that’s a pretty significant ask too as it’s 17 more stations, many with unique scenery. We’d have to wait an extra year or more to get all of that in. I just wish they would’ve gone to the end of the line, even if Dover is the main “hub”. A route fully out to Hackettstown would’ve been even more fun.

 

Personally I’m a little mixed on this. On one hand the US lineup is looking stronger overall this year compared to last - bulking out NY’s network really makes the US side of things feel more substantial, as opposed to bits out of LA & bits from Boston. The latter just results in pieces of content that feel lonely & disjointed, especially with how sparse US releases are - with NY now there’s quite a few bits to jump around so it definitely feels like a bigger experience overall, in line with DE & UK content.

On the other hand there’s still weird decisions & that constant caveat as with all US content. The journey is once again snubbed as it were with LIRR & Harlem, as I’ve said above the US content is sparse & I think DTG really should push to make their releases as full as they can be. Once again here there’s room for P32’s & P42’s but they’re being disregarded which is a huge shame. The US content constantly feels like it comes with a mandatory dose of ‘take what you can get’ instead of being something which genuinely stands out.

 

I think if we ever get the Hudson Line, that would be the most perfect opportunity for us to get the P32. It’s literally the primary locomotive on the line. Who knows with Dovetail though.

 

Well sure, I think everyone would like every route to be longer/fuller/etc. But if a business wants to stay viable and successful, there needs to be the self-discipline to deal with reality. Settle on X money and time for development, then what can they do with that?

 

Guarantee you only get up to Croton Harmon, they not adding the p32 knowing DTG???That includes not involving Amtrak section to/from Penn Station via Hudson River lol.

 

I think imo if that was the case they will probably just not make the route

 

Sounds great for passenger folks. Not much freight sadly, and all they're making in the USA and UK are fully passenger routes with the occasional layer of freight to pretend it's balanced. Three years now since Cajon Pass. But, to be fair they are hitting the US market albeit the same gamestyle over and over.

 

Exactly the result..Just skip this route, although it would be nice, but we talking about Dovetail ESPECIALLY US East Coast passenger route dlcs.

 

I didn't think the TSC version of the Hudson was bad aside from the length and a couple of inaccuracies. It pretty much covered all the equipment needed and actually ended in a logical place (Unlike the first NEC route; I'm not sure who thought Newark Airport to New Rochelle was the right move). Sure it probably could have gone to Poughkeepsie, but then you'd have the Amtrak guys complaining of it not going to Albany, and so on and and so forth. It's like anything in life... nothing will be perfect, and there will be no pleasing everyone.

 

DTG should have added the metro north SC42DM or the P32AC-DM along with coaches and cab car

 

The Chargers aren't even in service yet, and there's only two on property right now

 

Well there are basically ALC42 ripoff so... there should not be a problem

 

There's a bit more involved with them than that. For one they're designed to run off the third rail whenever it's present, which is the polar-opposite of the P32's that go into diesel mode as soon as possible.

 

P32s/42s don't run into Penn, or anywhere else in NYC. Diesels are prohibited there.

 

The P32AC-DM most certainly does run into Penn and GCT!

 

Oh, the dual-mode. Yes it does, but not enough traffic frequency to justify DTG making it.

I think there is an avenue for the 42, if DTG were willing to add the very limited Amtrak services to all of the routes where they run as a layer. But no one route can justify it.

 

Well not completely a true statement . Is not often but it does happen. Sorry made to reply about no diesel trains allowed at Penn

 

I counted at least 10 Amtrak services that run up the Hudson Line and that'd be more than enough for me. They made the Flixtrain and that only came with 6 services.

 

Hate to burst your bubble, but P42's don't *typically* run into Penn. While they're generally prohibited from the tunnels, they can and do make appearances. In addition, the dual-modes can and often run in diesel mode when there's issues with the third rail equipment. Lately Amtrak's been top-and-tailing with both straight P42 and P42C cab conversions due to the East River Tunnel work.


The Genesis-series has more traffic in and out of GCT and Penn than you think. While the majority of it is on the Hudson, both the Harlem and New Haven still see their fair share.

There's honestly enough routes available now where some form of Genesis does run where they could justify a rolling stock and scenario pack. But I'm also getting tired of repeating myself on this...

 

I wouldn't even be mad if it didn't go to Albany since the focus is more on the Metro North Hudson Line

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P42s dual mode yes via the Hudson River, I meant to say p42 not p32.

 

Flixtrain has a good route. P32AC-DM does not have a good route (at the moment there is not even a bad one).

 

It's great to see another Metro North Line being added into the game but I wish the in game route ended at New Haven and New Haven State Street Station completing the full Metro North New Haven Line and add the New Canaan branch for more service variation this line.

 

Well, it could make full-length runs of both the Metro-North routes...

 

I'd rather continue dreaming of Hudson Line for it.
If I had a choice between the P32 and extending the line to New Haven, I would definitely choose New Haven, sorry.

 

Harlem, soon to be Stamford

 

Yeah, sorry, I forgot that we have Harlem.