Br 420 Layers?

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  1. coentrainfan#7502

    coentrainfan#7502 Active Member

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    Will the br 420 also being layerd in other routes, like koln to aachen?
    since we will get a timetable update for that.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    There's an issue of anachronism/route-era appropriateness. The 420 is a very old EMU. They would all be gone by now except Munich decided to buy the ones Stuttgart was getting rid of and recondition them (so the Munich variant wouldn't be appropriate anywhere else). Stuttgart itself retired them in 2016; the Frankfurt/Rhein-Main trains were withdrawn in 2014 although they have kept some in reserve as emergency replacement trains. They once also ran on the VVRR around Dusseldorf, but were replaced years ago. To the best of my knowledge Cologne kept theirs the longest, but I don't recall if they were running the westbound S12/S19 services.

    EDIT: Yes, until just last year Cologne ran the S12 with 420s, so they would fit there (although the VVRM markings would be wrong)
     
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    Matin_TSP Well-Known Member

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    Normally, newer stock won't be automatically layered into older timetables.

    Since the SKA timetable is WIP as much as the 420 is, I can indeed imagine that there will be a 420 layer.

    Other than that, I wouldn't expect it on other routes. Substitution won't work as well, because the substitution logic requires equal amount of coaches. As the BR 422 and 423 have 4 coaches, but the 420 only has 3, I won't work.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Troubled by what little was said in the Roadmap- although it's nice TSG will be giving us several livery/interior variants, now it appears it's only going to have an actual service layer on the Stuttgart route, and not in Frankfurt?
     
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    Doch, in Frankfurt S - Bahn und München - Augsburg
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Ich hatte gedacht, dass die 420 in München nicht möglich ist, da die TSW-Linie nicht mehr Züge aufnehmen kann.
     
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    Right, so I believe TSG's "solution" has been to substitute the 420 into the existing HMA timetable. So it will be there, but there will be no extra, or different, services from the original timetable. I don't own HMA but I suppose it should be obvious which services the 420 will now perform. I reckon that the original unaltered timetable should also remain as it is now.

    I haven't heard about a Frankfurt timetable layer, only Stuttgart, but then again I have yet to catch up on everything 420. I thought when S-Bahn was released that it was said the 420 would provide layers? I was also wondering about the 420 layer on NID. Would that be just for AI at Bad Vilbel? I don't know enough about NID to understand where the 420 would belong.
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    so, if we will have:
    Munich-Augsburg: second timetable, with some 423 replaced with 420 (red)
    Frankfurt S-Bahn: second timetable, with (some?) 430 replaced with 420 (red)
    Stuttgart-Heilbronn: with 420 (orange and red)
    Left Rhine E94 pack: with 420 (orange) as AI
    Niddertalbahn not confirmed. 420 AI-layer was prepared.
     
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  9. Matin_TSP

    Matin_TSP Well-Known Member

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    No, afaik München will not get a 2nd timetable. Only a munich 420 will come for you to use in free roam, scenario planner or modded timetables.
     
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    Your info is a bit outdated, TSP. Yes that was the original plan but in the recent roadmap, at the end of the 420 section they announced that they will have a 2nd timetable for PC and Gen 9 only for Munich-Augsburg. You sadly skipped over that part in your most recent video.
     
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    Oh you're right! Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't read it properly :D
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Not even as a substitution?
     
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    This is a diesel route without a contact network. But at two stations (one in the middle and the final one) there is a contact network, so there it will be like an AI without any possibility to drive on it considering route specifics
     
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