Xbox German Preview Stream

With the Ice-t ride l, just before Riesa, it looked like the overhead wires whent trough a viaduct.

 

No DB Br 101 Expert in Timetable mode. So i have to buy all upcoming expert Locos ro be able to run the Expert 101 in Timetable mode on upcoming routes?

And therefore my next question: can i get a guarantee that i definitely will be able to spawn the Expert 101 on Leipzig - Dresden ? (PS5 standard) You are advertising that i will be able to spawn any loco/train on any route in TSW6. As this is not the case for TSW 5, i would like to have a clarification on this.

As for the rest, its quite an embarrassing look. The old section is basically copied 1 to 1 from DRA. Which wouldn't be a problem as such but, as other pointed out, it seems that none of the old problems habe been addressed at all.

Promised features not ready ? That close to release ? "We are working on it" we heard that so many times now, its getting old.

 

There's just been a Q and A on the Discord server. I didn't catch all of it, but two things I think are worth mentioning:
They spent longer on the announcements so there wasn't time to update the ICE-T sounds (also mentioned here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ice-t-updates-on-tsw-6.93668/)
There's apparently a bug in the editor when it comes to placing OHLE, but the team have been working on fixing the gaps.

On a side note, I hope having to transfer information from Discord to the forums doesn't become standard procedure.

 

Yup this is pretty poor.

I barely like using the TSC discord, I’m not joining yet another discord to get information that should be globally available.

Also, why do we even need to ask the Q to get the A, if there is something relevant that should be known, make it known.

Why do we have to ask about the years old route with an OHLE issue, which still hasn’t been fixed when you’re rereleasing it.

 

Not to mention the whole point of the forum is that you can glance at it and update every so often while doing something else, not sit in a bl__dy Discord chat room all afternoon.

Anyhow from my POV apart from the BR94, the German route was always going to be the runt of the litter. In some respects they would have been better to have pushed forward the Stuttgart route and the BR140 which might have been less ambitious than what they have attempted to do with DRA and more of a crowd pleaser.

 

I dunno, they have Leipzig mapped out already with RT, then DRA is done - all they had to do was improve on what was there & add in the rather bland section between the 2. If anything this should have been a slam dunk & makes me more nervous about what’s to come.

 

Have DTG addressed the issues with Bornitz and Dornreichenbach stations yet?

 

This is something that put me off too. So I have to buy the Expert 145 (which I didn't intend to since the loco is not my cup of tea) to get an Expert 101 layer for this route? OK, no Expert 101 layer here for me then, it is.
And I don't completely buy the explanation mentioned in the stream that the standard 101 "is more popular", honestly.

In another thread I already suspected that Stuttgart-Heilbronn might have been originally intended to be the TSW6 core route, with the 140 being the included loco and the Wittenberge cab as the Deluxe addition. And at some point it fell behind schedule, so they shoved Dresden-Leipzig into the spotlight instead.

 

My take on the route is a bit of a mixed bag, however, my focus is different to the majority on here, it seems. My highlights:

Random Features:
I dont mind the missing / not yet working random features. Not sure how much I will use them in the end, anyway. I am still very sceptical in regards to the still very dumb signaller actually being able to handle this kind of randomnes. Until DTG is not upgrading the signaller I was not expecting these to work any way. The problem we have seen in the stream with the IC blocking the route into the final stop is something which already happens today way too frequently. And, lets be honest, this is not my first iteration of the game and I think I am pretty good in my expectation management by now. I am not waiting for them to work properly and this is not what I am buying this game for.

Announcements:
What has impressed me, though, are the announcements. I have not expected them to be of such a quality, audio wise. Of course, they also come with their own issues that will probably ruin the day for some, like wrong side doors announced because the consist drove the other way around (!) or the missing differentiation between local and long distance trains. However, I am very happy that they seem to be edible, for PC at least. In this regard, I am not so bothered with chatter in a quite zone of an ICE either, as you would not even hear any chater in the cab anyway and I can simply turn stuff off that I don’t want to hear.

LZB end:
What is ruining my day, however, is stuff like LZB end allows you to leave at 200kmh, which is simply not realistic! LZB would never release you above 160kmh. This was already an issue on MAG. Very sad to see its still an issue here. If this will be fixed I would be very surprised. Even though a fix would be as simple as reducing the 200kmh section to just before the signal...

PZB bug:
I simply cant understand that, after the 100th iteration (it feels that way at least) and at least for as many raised tickets by myself alone (I am exaggerating, however, there are quite a few...) of an ICE with upgared systems we are still not able to distinguish between restricted and normal PZB modes. Why is this so difficult:,-(

Scenery too clean:
We have definately left the high quality of routes like FTF or FSN with the complete lack of clutter on stations and scenery in general. I was so happy to actually feel more immersed into the stations around the Frankfurt routes and was really hoping this would be the new standard. I really hope that it was simply a design decision as they didnt want to do any updates on the old DRA section of the route and wanted to keep it consistend. I know, its a rather poor excuse, however, the only straw for me to hold onto if I want to believe that the more realistic cluttered stations will come back to the simulated Germany (because, trust me, they are pretty cluttered in real life...).

Rolling stock:
I do like the 294, however, this is nothing for me to get excited enough that I have to buy this route from the start. This would have been different with an IC2 or an ICE4, though.

All in all, I am still undecided when to get this route. What I am really waiting for is the 145 expert. Latest then I will be picking it up, though

 

The standard 101 is a DTG product, even if TSG had their hands on it. Thats the reason.

In this case im sure TSG wont let their expert dlc fans down and will update the timetable at some point.

 

This is the reason I refunded this morning because after last years debacle I am now concerned why is the UK route the last to be shown and so close to release as well?
Watching that last night also made me think I don’t need another German route particularly either if it’s not really new and though extended still looks very similar, ie lacking clutter and a backward step from the newer German routes.
No I’m going to wait and see, and might even just go for the free upgrade pack primarily to get the new UK routes after Riviera. After last year I’ve got a funny feeling about this one. WCMLS looked good in screenshots too….

 

To be fair, if a train's not moving despite having a green signal, that means there's something wrong with that train, not with the route.

 

Correct it has nothing to do with the dispatcher! This loco has a wrong instruction. If you look closer the pantograph of the 101 is also up on the wrong side.

 

Expecting the unexpected really hard rn.

 

Oh yeah, the old 101 can get very confused with the door controls sometimes if the loco and coaches aren't facing the same way. I had that problem in a timetable too at some point. Easy fix though.

 

Yes, that may be true, or it may not.
Because this train runs on this route, so in my opinion it's a problem with the route.

And we've all known about these damn red light errors for years, but apparently this problem hasn't been fixed either.
Just like DTG never properly fixed it in TSW5 routes, no, they just think, ‘We don't care.’
And when they then build these exact same errors into new routes, I think that's just cheeky.

 

I really hope the expert 101 timetable can be made available to all expert 101 owners when it finally arrives. I'll be buying the expert 145, but i don't think it should be a requirement to get the expert 101 on D-L.

 

It's not a red light error though if the train has a green light in front of it, is it?

 

It's still a lock up due to something not moving as it should be.

And before anyone suggests just going in the 2D map to delete the errant train, well 1. You shouldn't have to do that, and 2. Can have undesired consequences ranging from kicking you out of the seat on the player train with dire warnings about taking it over and failing the run when you sit down. Or on heavily trafficked routes cause the game to CTD.

 

I removed a train from New York penn blocking me and signal still did not change then CTD.

 

A wise decision, we’re all trying to remain hopeful but I think we all know it will be a long way from ready at launch, but prove me wrong DTG and reply to the issues raised here………..?

One thing we can do is not cough up the £50-£100 for an unfinished product.

 

There were positives from the stream, the route looks good, although the new section to Leipzig isn't particularly scenic. It will be a nice long run and Leipzig is a logical end point. There looks to be a variety of traffic on the route and I believe it could be one of the best German routes.

They explained why they weren't using a build with the random events and did say they would either do another later or put a video up showing them. From what I gathered the other streams will show them. If I recall they are going to show it on console too, although that could be me misremembering.

My main concern was the problem approaching Dresden when the trains got stuck. Matt did ask Lucas to look into why that had happened so I imagine they will view that as a priority. I have had this happen before but not a second time.

I think the chattering of passengers could get waring, although from what I gathered you'll be able to turn them down.

I would watch the stream if you haven't and make your mind up, much of it was good, I do feel though that maybe they should have given it another week or so and shown a final build.

 

I'm still wavering. I really don't need this German route, it's really not new and different from the original except for length, is it? And I'm not hearing great things about it scenery wise.

So I'll pass on the bundles.

If the Morristown route looks OK, I'll probably jut go with that plus the ALP45DP.

 

The only positive thing, if I looked carefully, is that in Dresden-Neustadt the "filter" disappeared as if it had been illuminated by the sun, everything was yellow in the previous version of DRA

But otherwise the current part of DRA seems completely unchanged to me, especially the shadows at the switches gave an inappropriate impression and there could have been more....I would say that they didn't bother much with the original part of DRA

 

the class 802 coming to TSW 6 has the same exact diesel engine sounds as the LNER 801 That we have in the game currently, yet they made it out as if it’s a whole new sound set in the dev dairy lol

 

Now that really does have my finger poised over the refund button. The 800's and 802;s are quite loud both exterior and interior. In fact at Stround the other week, when the train we alighted from pulled away, one poor old lady on the platform was covering her ears! Not me, I loved it, but if we can't enjoy that in TSW what's the point of having it with just the muffled low HP emergency/shunting diesel engine sound.

 

They did this morning. The problem was the (normal) BR 101 had a bug that kept it stuck trying to open the doors. Thats why the train was stopped at the platform with a green light. It was trying to open the doors at the station but couldn't.

 

Where did you have this information from?! There is nothing shared that you can come to this conclusion right?! Beware with this type of conclusions i will say

 

Train Sim Society
This might actually be worth reading! It would be commendable if you mentioned this honestly in your videos instead of throwing around all kinds of sensational claims about how bad the dispatcher is. Sorry, but this just shows you're chasing clicks without providing accurate content... It's a shame you didn't just wait to find out what the real cause was. I'm clearly not a fan of that...

 

Thanks for that, that is good to know.

 

CK deserved it lol

 

I can attest to the OHLE editor bugs. They've existed from the beginning. What happens is you'll connect two points and generate a piece of OHLE just fine, but randomly later on, some pieces will be missing entirely. While doing a scenery polishing pass on Morristown (after my signal contract was completed), I did multiple end to end passes attemping to correct as many OHLE gaps as I could find. I think we got them all, but damn was it painful. I had a similar experience with doing the OHLE for Boston to Providence but the bug didn't seem as bad back in the TSW2 days.

 

Good point, actually. The only officially released footage of the 802 I’m aware of is the brief portion on the Direct presentation when it did sound a bit off, in which case we should probably stay the execution until we get a more in depth look (and listen) at the thing.

 

sophieclarke1983 Why do you tag threads as 'Xbox' which have nothing to do with that specific platform? Threads like this apply to all users.

From what I've seen of the stream so far, my plan to stick to the starter pack this year and wait for discounts on the new routes seems sound.

 

For simple reason like most I’m not on every single platform therefore I only tag relevant platform to me as is pointless tagging PlayStation n pc when they don’t apply simple as that

 

That's not what tagging is for. Tagging is to tell people what the thread is about, not about you!

 

Try reading post and not nit picking then you’ll see question being asked

 

Try tagging only when applicable. I'm a PC player, I don't usually look at threads tagged for Xbox or Playstation because they're not relevant to me.

 

Looking at these comments the route(s) will obviously be somewhat unfinished at the current release schedule. DtG need to push TSW6 back a month or two, otherwise player feedback will be brutal and cause more harm to the brand than postponing.

 

Already too late as pre orders and launch date already locked into platforms

 

I share the view it might be prudent to delay release by a couple of weeks just to get things polished, but we have rarely seen DTG do that in recent years. They seem adamant to “publish and be damned”.

At the risk of repeating myself, much depends on the state in which South Devon and the two trains are presented. The (unsubstantiated) claim the 802 uses recycled and incorrect sounds is a partial yellow flag. That leaves the NJT with its EMU hopefully having a lovely growling traction motor, and not recycled from the M3 which was (allegedly) taken from a UK EMU in TSC.

 

Isn’t that a bit premature?! We’ve only seen one preview so far… I’d consider it a valid concern if the other two are in the same state as Leipzig-Dresden. I get that everyone’s a bit overhyped right now, but don’t lose sight of reality. It’s become somewhat of a tradition with every TSW release to immediately go into panic mode whenever something deviates from what users expect to see. I think it’s better to wait before jumping to conclusions and declaring that things aren’t good. I’m not siding with DTG here, but there are just so many assumptions and falsehoods being thrown around on the forums and other platforms that I find hard to understand. My advice: calm down and wait for the next previews

 

There was nothing in the German route stream that suggested the release should be delayed and we haven’t even seen the other routes yet. There will be issues at launch, there always are, but nothing suggests a release delay is necessary. If they were going to delay until most bugs were ironed out, TSW5 would be ready for release about now.

 

If anything, what should have been delayed was the German preview stream. They could have done it a week today (Fri 19) followed by NJT on Monday 22 and South Devon on Wednesday 24 giving us what is by then probably the Gold build.

 

What annoys me about these streams is that all content is previewed on PC. They should dedicate a stream to 8th gen and 9th gen consoles also, have a monitor set up on both consoles and do a run on each set up. PC gameplay doesn’t always reflect my experience when playing on my PS5.

 

I was about to quote the OP, but then I saw your comment. Totally agree, where is the evidence?
Sounds like speculation to me. DTG Matt Are the 802 sounds like same as the 801 or have the 802 sounds been improved/updated. Let’s nip this in bud.

 

+1 on that. My pre order kind of hinges on this.

 

I'm afraid your answer will come in 2 weeks

 

PC gameplay doesn't always reflect my experience when playing on my PC.

 

Hasn't it already been clarified that the 802 has had the sounds sourced from AAS?

In any case the 802 will sound like a 801 to some extent as they are from the same family of trains and will share the same electrical traction motors. The defining point of the 802 will be it's diesel sound package.