Wcml Preston To Crewe Discussion

Ah yes, we used to joke on the Provincial Desk in Swindon Control, “Opportunities on Regional Railways, as one door closes another one opens.”

They were rancid things and the diagramming was appalling with 35 sets to cover 31 diagrams. Many of those were cyclic spending two or three days before (in theory) returning to Canton for an A or B Exam but didn’t really work in practice. Worse was at the time, Western Provincial were covering most of the non Inter City services on the Cotswold Line so if a 155 failed at Oxford meant a cancellation, trying to retrieve the set and a step up at Cardiff (when already short) to attach another set on the back of a Manchester service to detach at Hereford to restart the working.

Apologies for rambling nostalgia wittering.

 

Haha XD
I laughed a little too hard at that

 

My initial interest in 37s was caused by the sight of 37427 I'm Liverpool Lime Street as a Younger lad. We normally just got blue 40s, 45s, 47s and 81 to 87s so these things with the Welsh names were a novelty.

 

That's quite alright for the rambling nostalgia, it's most welcome

Knowing what management were like they probably clamped down on that quip in the same way they sent a memo out about not referring to the shiny new 321s as "Dusty Bins" or Class 90s as "Skoda's" At one of my former airlines we had an aircraft registered G-BOBP and by 2008 it was an absolute donkey, it was knackered but kept on going, it was often referred to as "Big 'ole Pile (of) Bollocks" - management found out and sent a memo round about that one... Ironically, that old crate (built in 1989 which is old for 'new' plane models) is still flying to this day in Jordan (the place not the person, though I could understand the confusion)

That got me thinking back though the old memory banks, first as to it's name but then to hmm when did I last see it? It turns out I saw it moving for the final time (literally) at Booths when it was in the process of being scrapped, they shunted it into the open ready to remove the power unit, it's bodyside's carved away to make for easy access to it and grim viewing -

 

Sorry to bump this thread guys but has there been any news on the route? With all the new things being announced I can't keep track of what is what and might have missed something :/

 

Nothing since DD

 

Now all we need is Milton Keynes to Birmingham New Street.

TSW7 next new feature - The ability to seamlessly transition from one add-on to the next, if the add-on directly works in conjunction with the previous add-on.

London Euston > Milton Keynes > Birmingham New Street > Crewe

 

Thanks, it was hard trying to find anything I may have missed amongst all of the announcements, updates and other threads

 

The main focus is the launch game releasing first. Maybe a week or two after that.
I know Birmingham to Crewe is set to release fairly close after TSW6.

 

Crewe - Liverpool/Preston - Carlisle

 

Forget about merging routes : please give us "in-cab route hopping" !
This will be the day I'll uninstall TSC...

 

But that won´t solve the issue of the JT routes beeing set in 80´s and southside of the WCML beeing set present day?

 

True. That would require a whole rebuild and timetable build for a different era.

 

80s was better anyways

 

I prefer that era in TSW... in TSC I funnily enough prefer modern era. I guess it´s because TSC has almost every modern EMU for Holland, Germany and Austria available. Something we will (most likley) never see for TSW. It looks like DTG is sticking to the 2010 theme for Germany and TSG mainly does old stuff.

Anyway, getting back to topic: there is no point in having "in cab route hopping" or "merges", if you transfer from modern to the 80´s in Crewe with a totally different timetable and rolling stock. Where this whole concept would make the most sense is Frankfurt-Fulda and Fulda-Kassel. Set in the same era and matching timetables from what I understand.

 

What i will be doing going forward with each route beyond looking at just photos of screens etc on here is avoiding all previews etc

 

forget north of crewe for now and give ATS alot of encouragement to finish MAC to crewe, with a MK to BNS you could have london Manchester. without going into more route hopping discussion and universal timetable, think i've put enough of my views on it elsewhere

 

same with JTs stuff, already put my views on the crewe preston thread so no point in repeating myself here, but i am a big backer for it and nice to see that others think it can be done and would like to see.

 

That could work too, anything where I don’t have to exit to the main menu and choose another part of the route.

 

No arguments there, I know a lot of people would like an extension to Crewe, myself included.
I did learn today that ATS plan to add the upcoming Voyager onto the route, so that’s a start I guess.

 

Just a thought regarding Crewe, in 1984 it was undergoing the rebuilding and re-signalling wasn't it?

 

Yes it was, this route is set in 1986 and I assume the work was finished by then.

 

Alan from ATS has said on his streams that there will be no extension to Crew. He did not go into detail, but said only DTG can do it.

 

When routes from different time periods share a hopping point, I suggest replacing the beam from the sky with something a little more innocuous, an old blue police box, for example. Or a different kind of most bodacious phone box if they add the L.A. Metro A line Foothill Extension via San Dimas with a route hopping point at Montclair on the SBL

 

its a real shame that is hasn't gone to crewe as its a fantastic little route but one can understand the reasons, just hope enough people on here give a good shout out for it to be extended by whoever to see it get done.

an option to turn them off would be a good thing (although im sure ive manage to do it accidently). i would like to see multiple cones at the platform ends for a quicker hop but it would look ugly with all them blue cones without the option to turn off. if it was an option i had the same thought next to a unique item but then thought best place to put them would be next to the start signals on the platform end. (thinking Preston as an example)

 

I did catch a bit of the last ATS stream and I heard they have some TSC projects in the pipeline, that’s where their loyalties lie unfortunately. I’d be surprised if we ever got another TSW route from those guys.

 

That's a shame really, they really made TSW shine with their product. Looks like it doesn't work financially for them?
Good news that they are patching the route though.

 

It would be amazing if the Voyager had train announcements for MAC. One can dream

 

True, indeed, but I have to confess I had something like a Quick Drive in mind, as I currently only play TSC in Quick Drive (more flexible to my taste).
Note that both WCML and ECML in TSC aren't set to the same era all the way...
Anyway it's also true that it doesn't make sense to see Pendolinos south of Crewe then suddenly Class 86 or 87 hauled trains 5mn later.
As Phil#160 said, for the time being it's better to focus only on the "feasible" connections (those roughly set the same era).

 

Doh! Yes of course, I completely forgot it was 1986 and for some reason got it into my head that it was set in 84. I think it might have been with all of the talk of routehopping from cabs and I was thinking of the big spanner in the works of the rebuild.

 

Not totally true. They are doing another TSW project, but not an extension to Crewe. They have several TSC projects "in the pipeline" because they have been working on them for years. That´s what I gathered from the latest streams.

 

A lot of activity on ATS Facebook. Looks like several contributors are working several projects.

 

I wonder.

We've known that ATS were working on a route for a long time now (years), whilst Kieran formed AAS fairly recently and has created a pretty long and complete route.

ATS seem to be buzzing with quality TSC content though, I think that is where their heart is.

 

I hope they complete the WCML Glasgow to London Euston

 

Any indications as to what it could be?

 

He´s talking about TSC projects and they are all known. The next TSW project is unknown, as it can only be revealed through DTG in a roadmap. TSC projects can openly be talked about, whenever a third party feels like it.

 

Hopefully in the 1980s

 

Loose guess, but I think they suggested back when their MAC route previewed that a loco was something they’d want to get their hands on next. Whether that’s how it’s panning out or not remains to be seen!

 

That’s good to hear about them making new TSW content. An extension to Crewe is badly needed though, as MAC just feels like another short and sweet CNN route. I really hate routes ending at silly end points.

 

In my opinion this is one of the main reasons why TSW hasn't had the level of expansions that TSC has, it's seemingly being gatekept by DTG, and of course the editors being very complex which keeps most amateur dev away.

I know everyone goes on about Crewe but for me its Occy Road, it's used by Northern for crew changes so it a logical start/stop point for so many (if not all) Northern services and of course is within spitting distance of Piccadilly.

 

Not looking forward to Train Sim West Coast Mainline World 7.
Yawn.

For those also dreading it, here's a photograph of some proper locomotives.

 

I don't mind the WCML attention personally, especially the BR era stuff.

Definitely think the ECML needs some more attention though and would love to see a BR ECML route set during the transitional period between Deltics and the HSTs.

 

There's a mod to eliminate them. I use it.

 

Where?

 

I think this is what the majority probably want, but for some reason the Deltic is being completely ignored. Realistically, is it possible to setup a crowd funding project for this to be developed?. How many versions of TSW do we need before the most iconic UK diesel loco is considered?.

 

The thing is logically the ECML will get attention eventually, perhaps relatively soon. It seems that in the next year we'll be getting at least three new stretches of the WCML, which will only leave two significant gaps - North of Carlisle and Birmingham - Milton Keynes. Someone might seek to fill one of those gaps sure, but logically the focus will have to switch to one of the other main lines. GEML can be knocked out in just one or two routes but we don't really know what the story is with Greater Anglia branding right now. So if we go with routes and sections which we know branding is settled for, logically next year the focus should start shifting to either the ECML, MML or GWML. Personally I think the western region is most likely given the return of the license, there is a lot of stock which could be added using that.

 

I think this refers to Manchester Oxford Road.

 

Edinburgh to Newcastle would absolutely amazing for this!

 

Manchester Oxford Road, the station that is almost visible from the end of Platform 14 at Piccadilly.