Route Airedale And Wharfedale Lines 2025

A route that has received a lot of suggestions in the past but this is a revitalised and updated suggestion to reflect the recent changes to the route.

The Route:
This is in effect 4 different lines each with different service patterns.
Leeds to Ilkley - 2 tph
Leeds to Skipton - 3 tph
Leeds to Bradford Forster Square - 2 tph plus 1 LNER service every 2 hours
Bradford Forster Square to Ilkley - 1 tph
Bradford Forster Square to Skipton - 1 tph

Stations:
11 Stations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airedale_line#/media/File:Airedale_&_Wharfedale_lines.png

Trains:
New:
Class 333 Northern
Class 331 Northern
Reused:
Class 801 LNER
Class 158 Northern

This route offers a range of express, semi express and commuter options for.players with frequent service.
The trains cancelled also be used for AI at Leeds with 158 for services to Sheffield, York, Hull, Manchester, Wigan, Knottingley. 331 and 333 for Doncaster. 801 for LNER to London. Class 220 XC services to Edinburgh, Bristol, Plymouth, Cardiff, Penzance and Aberdeen. This will allow for a vibrant terminal station. Other older stock like the 101 can be used at the Worth Valley Railway.

Let me know your thoughts and any other things I could add to this suggestion.

 

Dont need to read it all, I saw the title and went yup.

 

Maybe something more to add at Leeds. If we date it back around 2019 around the big refurbish of northern, I believe EMT would of still runned to Leeds. Obviously they don't now but yes. We can get some 170s for Harrogate, always change the livery on them. And many other things. Could redesign the 802 into TPE if DTG get the license. That unlocks many routes also adding the 185. There's so much you can do just at Leeds. If DTG make a route with Bradford interchange they can do route hopping from Forster SQ to interchange. Only a 10 min walk.

 

We need an update to Northern Transpennine to make it modern day then we can enjoy the 185.

 

Nah, the whole appeal of that route is that it isn't modern day.

 

I think they keep the old NTP route but create another along with it. Maybe Leeds to Preston via Bradford Interchange. This also gives route hopping options with the Airedale wharfedale line. A ten minute walk to Forster square.

 

Could extend to York for an extra 30 mins of gameplay and a more complete feel

 

I would like an update for NTP though because the lack of ai trains at Leeds and Manchester Victoria is killing me. I'd want ai services coming in from the Harrogate Loop Line, Calder Valley Line, the Airedale Line, Leeds Direct Line, the Normanton Line and the ECML at Leeds as well as ai trains from the Calder Valley Line, Bolton and Liverpool at Manchester Victoria. I'd want extra services too because it doesn't feel right that there's only 1 express service an hour between Leeds and Manchester Victoria and it especially doesn't feel right how there's almost no driveable services to Manchester Piccadilly between Leeds and Stalybridge. I'd also want driveable Wakefield to Huddersfield trains between Mirfield and Huddersfield as well as Huddersfield to Stalybridge if there was a Huddersfield to Piccadilly train in 1983, and finally we can have ai trains at Huddersfield to Sheffield and Clayton West as 1983 was the final year of the line to Clayton West being open before closing and being converted to the Kirklees Light Railway later on.

 

Fair enough. It needs a whole new remaster anyways

 

Better to be 1980s for a cross with NTP, we don’t need more modern

 

There is no modern route set in west Yorkshire and there is no point in having the Northern licence if you won't do anything with it

 

There’s no point making a br era route and not connecting it to anything

 

I don't get your need for 1980s routes. Everything can't be 1980. If you want it to be 1980 just put a class 47 on a route.

 

Exactly. You might aswell use it while you have it. I usually would reccomend this line in 2018 which I've just made a post on though.

 

Because of the lack of br era routes compare to modern, 5 br era routes compared to like 30 modern routes

 

Because most people are obviously interested in modern routes.

 

More varied stock on modern route too in my opinion

 

Yeah. With new things rolling in it can be much better. Better than the main br locos that you would see everywhere

 

you must be thinking of the Calder Valley Line

 

I disagree, even as BR were trying to rationalise their fleet in the 80s there was still a huge variety of various Diesel locos & DMUs around that area.

03s,08s,20s,25s,31s,37s,47s,56s,HSTs, 101s, 104s,105s,108s,110s,111s,124s to name but a few classes that could be seen in the area...

If anything, in the last 5 years the rolling stock in use has become much more homogenous, with Northern's understandable aim for 195s/331s to become the standard fleet.

 

It's all the same boring type of trains for BR. plus this line has been recognised as a MODERN route. It doesn't suit BR era. I'm being absolutely honest here.

 

But it’s not all the same, like you are not having a class 03 or 08 on regular passenger services and then you have different choices for so much more service variety

 

It's your opinion that previous generations of rolling stock are boring, and that's fine. All I am saying is that I think the claim that there was less variety in rolling stock then or that "it's all the same" is spurious at best.

I really don't see the problem with making a case for an alternative era for a route proposal. Recognised by who? The official department of route proposals? We all have a different perspective, and wouldn't life be boring if we all thought the same and liked the same things?

 

Also to add you would have a few different trains on freight instead of just the Shed

you would have the DMUs on local services
You would have quite a few different passenger pulled trains

and possibly extra stuff like the hst and steam rail tours