Two Brand New Uk Dlcs Found (spoiler Warning)

Any old route that gets Tod 4 + a loco pack would be great, one day for my sweet NTP, TVL and WCL

 

Would love to see NTP get one, it really could do with a new timetable. Leeds and Manchester Victoria are quieter than Stourbridge Town on a Sunday when the 139 has broken down!

Also I find it odd that the freight services have train reporting numbers when you select them but the passenger services just say Leeds to Manchester or vice-versa, when they would be going to Liverpool, Newcastle or Scarborough.

 

Agree on a new timetable.

I think the freight services were added with the Heavy Freight pack a bit later, after DTG had started being more consistent with train reporting numbers.

Good reminder that things DO improve over time just not as quickly as we'd like lol

 

I would hope so, seriously I cant stand driving on routes with the older lighting, I hope one day we can have every route on the same lighting. But for now a TOD4 upgrade is a huge undertaking. When I read Matt explaining what the process is, it just seemed like such a complete nightmare.

 

Not to mention NTP is filled with bugs - I don't think they've ever fixed the Mk2 coaches and oil tankers having borked numbers.

 

If it’s an older timetable on east coast way, voyagers at Brighton

 

The numbers were actually one of the smaller issues

 

Certainly Voyagers on Fife Circle!

 

Indeed, I think this is why the 158 timetable has been delayed

 

A really stupid reason though because you could of done a Birmingham cross city where it gets added later after the it was added instead of making us wait pretty much 2 years

 

I doubt they held up the 158 TT over the Voyager, no way they would have known about it way back when the 158 was made.

In any case it’s probably redundant now anyway, with the I7C coming it’ll have a new TT for that & id be surprised if it excluded the 158.

 

I saw someone say in a thread the Skyhook confirmed that the 158 timetable doesn't have a Voyager.

Not like it matters much anymore now dtg appear to have quietly canned it for a Rivet made 43 timetable instead, an add on I shall not buy out of principle after the fiasco that was the 158 timetable. If I was Skyhook I'd certainly be considering my relationship with dtg since at the end of the day it's skyhooks promises that have been broken and their products left unreleased through no fault of their own

 

You know, in a way Riviera reminds me of NTP. Not the scenery or the driving or anything else concrete; rather a distinctive rural route lovingly done with loads of local character- one of course now very old-school and the other representing what TSW can look like in 2025. So bringi9ng NTP up to the same standard would be sort of appropriate.

 

In Brighton's current form on ECW, you could probably just get away with having Voyager AI services on it, representing up until the end of 2008, when those services were withdrawn, but it would still be pretty empty on AI sevices compared to 2017/2018, which would have a much larger amount of AI services thanks to the Class 313, Class 700's and Class 387's that weren't around in 2008, whereas if it was set around 2008 it mostly be 377's, the 171 and potentially various First Great Western DMU's (Class 166, 158 and 150) on the WCW line (Class 166 would be best with the unbranded First Great Western livery coming with GWE Remaster and not available without Creators Club for the other 2), as the game doesn't have the Class 319 or Class 442 for the First Capital Connect or Gatwick Express services.

 

No evidence that is the case yet, the scotrail class 43 is pretty like the 37/7 a £5 pack made to layer and not to be a full timetable because this just wouldn’t make sense to cancel a timetable that was like a month away from release before tsw 6 (/ the yearly waste of time)

 

Why would they make it all if that's the case then? If Skyhook have already said the Voyager isn't in the 158 timetable, the scotrail 43 clearly won't be either. I've been saying for a while I'm slightly suspicious that dtg have quietly canned it, now we have an add on that quite clearly will end up doing the same thing basically

 

One would hope in any case that the E2G timetable is given a full and thorough rework with any Inter7City HST sets... If Tylers involved we will be in for a treat.

 

Why would they make a new e2g timetable when Skyhook already did that?

 

Did 700s ever run to Eastbourne? They don't seem to now, but I know they have had a few extra destinations since the Thameslink renewal.

 

The only issue about a new Fife Circle timetable is that we have nothing for the LNER services although we're so close.

We have LNER Azumas, but not the bi-mode.
We have bi-mode IETs, but not in LNER livery.
We have HSTs, but not in LNER livery.

Just one of these would provide a near-complete timetable.

 

They used to but the service was withdrawn when the timetables were cut back for the pandemic. They've actually only just reinstated it, it's only a run that happened once a day in each direction though - a morning run departing from Eastbourne at 6:48AM and arriving in London Bridge by 8:25AM, and then an afternoon run the other way departing London Bridge at 5:03PM and finishing in Eastbourne at 6:43PM.

 

Ah, then that would be a perfect time to set the timetable. 4 different units to drive.

 

The class 43 (GWR) was already on timetable preview they showed and also for the main part class 220s don’t run to Aberdeen any more meaning it would just be pointless ai services hence why may not appear

it’s probably going to be a livery pack/ loco dlc

 

What I fear is that you'll need to buy the gameplay pack to get access to the timetable with the 158, despite being told that the timetable would be a free update. Unfortunately that is a scam, by definition.

 

700’s only ever went to Eastbourne as ECS, 442’s used to work the Lbge direct service for a time.
From Dec Eastbourne gets a 1 each way direct service back to Lbge, Mon to Thur using 8 387.

 

Nope it’s probably a separate dlc so if you don’t have the scotrail hst then it will be the GWR version since that was shown in the preview before all of this

 

220s might not run to Aberdeen (I'll take your word on that since train services to Aberdeen aren't my specialist subject), but they still run round the Fife Circle. I saw one at Sheffield the other day bound for Dundee due to call at Edinburgh Waverley, Haymarket, Inverkeithing, Kirkcaldy and Markinch, so

 

XC are one a day from Aberdeen & Dundee now, with one going back into Dundee.

The change is recent though & we seldom see TSW using the most recent timetable for a route.

 

Oh never mind it was only a temporary stop of the service so my mistake, not sure about the Fife area so I take your word

 

If this leak is true and it finally, FINALLY means the ECW 377 gets updated sounds I'm all for it.

I admit I'm less enthusiastic about the ScotRail HST. Fife Circle isn't a very satisfying run for a train like that. I'd still probably get it though.

 

Would it sell well though? We already have the Castle Set HSTs layered onto the Riviera line, so you'd essentially be paying to change the doors from slam to sliding (and maybe a few scenarios). Those of us who want a more realistic landscape would buy it, but would the casual player really care?

 

Nope. They'd in fact be upset that they had to pay for them separate since "I already bought those! Just gimme the free doors!"

 

I think the selling point for Fife Circle is not just the HST, but the Voyager, 158, Azumas in some combination, in one fell swoop. You can essentially unlock a packed out timetable with the purchase of a HST.

 

Speaking of Fife and Azuma's, a new pack for Fife Circle really should include the LNER 800 as well.

 

I think if it adds some variety and more services to Fife circle then I'm all for it, arguments about the class 158 Skyhook timetable aside.

I think FCL is a perfectly decent route after a shaky start but the timetable is lacklustre.

I do hope that whatever happens the class 158 is added to the route as that was the main reason why I bought the 158.

 

Hoping its an extension from Eastbourne to Ashford knowing dtg it will probably be an upgrade on East Coast way with the 377/3.

 

Before we all salivate too much, has both these "packs" been confirmed by dovefail yet?

 

They were found in the database so possibly will be announced on the next roadmap.

 

I finally understand why ECW is in the compatible content list for Epic back then.

 

I'll assume that the 377/3 will get all the new features like announcements etc, but I hope that they add those features to the /4. It'd be very wierd to have two variants of a train on the same route with one having significantly better features than the other.

 

As a turbostar fan, I'm looking forward to the 171. More turbostars on more routes is a good thing, imo.

 

I just don't see the big deal over the 171.
It's just a 170 that can couple to 377's right?
I guess it'll be cool to have a 170 for the East Coastway.
There's similarly not any significant difference between the 377s.
It just seems like very low hanging fruit.

 

Although the Class 171 doesn't do any routes that would be drivable on BML, Even if we got a timetable update with the 700s and 171s, that would be incredible.

 

Indeed. Compared to doing these runs with a Thumper...

 

I think subclasses as add ons are certainly a marmite topic...

I side on the opinion, that the more subclasses the better (within reason). It does get quite repetitive with routes like ECW where you only get the 377/4, and 313 as separate DLC. I'm all for paying for DLC that enhances the variety of subclasses and gameplay experience.

The 170 DLC for BCC certainly has drawn me back to the route, and having the 170s with physical differences simulated is very welcome on my behalf and I personally have no issues with paying for particular subclasses as DLC particularly where it is warranted in the case of Electrostar/Turbostar EMUs and DMUs where there are a number of physical and noticeable differences between subclasses. Second to that if it adds variety and more gameplay I'm all in.

The new 350/2, /3, /4 subclasses coming with AAS new route are another good example of this. I look forward to seeing them implemented in the game to add variety and realism.

There are exceptions ofcourse such as in the case of the 8xx EMUs in which there are 5 and 9 car variations that it makes sense to include both subclasses as standard. (801/1 & 801/2, and both 802 variants).

If some players object to this type of paid DLC, they can always use the creators club to substitute for this stock.

But I'd personally much rather it be paid DLC where sub classes have been professionally done and have all the physical differences implemented properly.

 

Don’t forget: if something is updated with the new Timetable/TOD4, it will most likely also include TSW6 features (announcements, etc.).

I´d be in favour of ECW getting tarted up a little...

 

To be honest, I will buy the East Coastway Gameplay Pack as soon as it is released. The addition of the class 377/3 and, hopefully, both the /7 and the /8 subclasses of the class 171 would satisfy me completely. I hope it comes with the TOD4 upgrade, as happened with the Class 380 and the Cathcart Circle. If Tyler is behind the timetable, I am certain it will be great.

It would be great to see a TOD4 upgrade for the Brighton Mainline alongside a gameplay pack featuring a class 377/1 (with headlight clusters reused from the class 377/3), a class 377/6, a class 377/7 and a class 700/1. However, having two separate DLCs for the two class 700 subclasses would be awkward.

 

The 171s also have an extra carriage, or at least some subclasses do/ did.

I think it's less about the actual trains themselves and more about the prospect of getting more content for a very old route, along with the improvements that comes with. A new timetable, new scenarios, presumably TSW6 features like announcements and potentially even the lighting upgrade.

 

Yes exactly.

 

The chap I replied to was talking about Castle Set HSTs.