Digital Traction Release The Lms Twins Diesel Dlc For Train Simulator Classic!

Even though you have a "moniker" of a UK loco I feel you don't know much about UK trains

The purpose of Headlamps is to indicate the Class of the Train to the Signallers.
They would be incapable of lighting up any part of the track ahead of the train but they are supposed to point Forwards

Those "kerosene lanterns", what we call Oil Lamps in the UK, were in use until Steam Trains ended which was after the LMS twins were scrapped. The Diesel Locos that followed them came with Marker Lights and disks until Train Reporting Numbers were displayed

How many other models of UK Diesels feature a Second Man even though they were on some trains until the mid 1990's
He was not in charge of "throwing Switches" but would change the points in a yard if there was not a shunter to do so
He would couple the loco to the train and he would operate the Steam Heating boiler when required.

 

The lamp brackets look strange but from the photos, seem correct. This image is the only loco I can find showing a lamp which seems to suggest that it pointed forward even though the brackets are 'around the corner'.

 

Thanks for this photo.

Compared to the model, the brackets do not have this horizontal lip to rest a lamp on. The bracket also appears to have a square shaft, still perpendicular to the nose's contour. So it must be in the lamp's mounting that allows it to be fixed at intervals of 45 degrees?

Those oil lamps certainly must be in somebody's collection or kept on display at some heritage railway.

But oil lamps on a locomotive with electric lights? Even unlit lamps sort of display a headcode when positioned according to the regulations?

The buffer's texture on the model seems OK, lot of grease.

 

It was standard practice in the late 50's and at least part of the 60's for the 1st Gen DMUs to use a red oil lamp as a tail light although some classes had electric marker lights that IIRC could have a red disc inserted to act as a tail light. Not sure when that practice died out but I've got a couple of my own photos taken after 1966 that show this.

 

Thanks for the info, Andy.
The lamp in the photo could have been a tail light indeed.Those red discs could get lost or break easily, and perhaps the light housing had to be opened for the disc to be inserted, i.e. the driver had to climb into the nose, or open and close an access hatch in the cab. Once used to closed cabs, drivers got weary of cold and draft from nose doors, hatches, flaps and shutters etc.

I haven't yet run the Twins as light loco, in need of a tail light.

Regarding the scripted switching of lamps, lights and the driver figure.
When using the H-key, lamps//discs are mounted according to the desired head code pattern. And on carriages, the tail light is lit (when provided)
For the use of electric lights, the switch on the second man's panel has to be thrown, and mounted lamps/discs disappear. Along with the tail light on carriages unfortunately, since these are tied to the H-key and consist messaging.
The driver figure changes cabs according to direction, but there is no provision for a second man figure, yet.

 

Which is how they should be but DT got it wrong

The Bracket is WRONG - it is a bit obvious - The Lamp can only be fixed on the Bracket one way.
If the Bracket is not at 90 degrees to the line then the light cannot show correctly.
These are AP Coaches

The Mk 1 is correct and the tail light shines along the track
The Mk 2 & Mk3 bracket is wrong so the lamp shines at an angle - like the LMS twins

WHY?
There is nothing about those lamps that were unique to the locos. They could have ended up anywhere

I don't know if you are writing stupid things or you just don't know how things worked on UK Railways?
The Disk that appeared was Just that - A Disk. It had the same bracket on the back of it as a Lamp.
During daylight the disk showed the Train Classification as it did not need to be illuminated and the 4 Disks were kept in the Loco

Have a look at this loco - it has the same type of disks - I wonder how they got on the front of the loco

 

Just having a quick scan of available Google images, I don't see any in which oil lamps are mounted on the brackets, only disc indicators.
Perhaps this is not surprising, as night photography would not have been a particularly widespread activity during these locomotives' working lives I wouldn't have thought.
But the images where discs are shown do appear to show these as being at a slight angle on the outer brackets due to the curvature of the front of the locomotive.

 

Bear in mind that 10000 was completed only days before nationalisation and 10001 after vesting day. Their entire revenue earning career was in "the BR phase" and yes the Kerosene lamps were in use for their entire career except for the few years on the Southern for comparison testing against the Bullieds (10201, 10202 and 10203) and even then as tail lamps.

Peter is right, the lamps should be pointing in line with the track not at 2 and 10 o'clock.

 

I've repositioned both lamps and discs on the LMS shapefile:


Since one cannot share shape files, the permanent solution is up to DT.

The locomotives are in need of some other little tweaks and improvements perhaps, because going over the about 240 nodes, the models seem to be entirely kit built and some parts can be animated? It seems only wiper and fans are animated by DT and I don't know if other parts can be animated in an aftermarket solution without hacking into the scripts?
First come to mind the indicator and warning lights on the second man's side.

 

... if you look real close up at the discs ....
... there is wonderful detail, but the hook doesn't line up with the bracket ...
While the default lamps and brackets do line up perfectly, but at an angle:


Is this a reason not to buy this DLC and ask DT for another update to touch these details up?

 

LMS Twins gotten their 3rd update, and are now at version 1.3 and most of my wishes seem to have been fulfilled.

V1.3 Alterations

Minor mesh alterations
Weathering on cab windows interior and exterior
Wiper animation corrected
Wiper internal sounds added
Interior Visors animation
Lamp and Disc positions/brackets corrected
Master Key binding added
Second Man Mesh added
Sander flow reduced
Cab view higher in nose
Other minor improvements

The Irish Mail is about to leave Bangor, Wales, for Holyhead and the ferry to Ireland.


IMO, it turned into a very nice DLC for the price.

Also, PLD updated three of their already excellent Great Western steam locomotives.
My appreciation and thanks goes to these dedicated developers.
Finally, I got myself CW's LMS 2-6-4T locos which look great and the MT LMS P3 carriages in early BR colours to make up rakes mixed with AP's Mk1.

 

Now that might be worth getting

 

The driver is too high up when looking in the cab from outside and the wiper sound is awful and annoying. Other than that, a really nice model.

 

DT released a minor update to v1.3.1 with

Corrections include upgrade of BR Late Crest decal and added the Late Crest to green lined variant.

Given how quick and responsive DT acts with this DLC, you can probably still make further suggestions.
Re the driver figure indeed sits too high, and the wiper pattern still doesn't match the rain texture ...

 

Looks tempting and from watching a YT clip the sounds are similar but significantly different to EE locos where sound references are available.

However I am very cautious about buying from 3P's direct these days so guess unless they put it on Steam, I won't be indulging.