Too Easy To Accidentally Restart Service

It should very well known that TSW’s user interface is not exactly very user-friendly but...

Is anyone else finding that, particularly with a controller, it’s extremely easy to restart a service by accident? Once I hit pause, set my controller down, and go on about my business, I return to either the loading screen or the freaking ‘Get Started’ screen ready to restart the service I’ve spent well over an hour on.

I miss when the pause button went to the ‘Overview’ tab not the ‘Options’ tab. This would not be an issue then.

It doesn’t break the game or anything just a UI nightmare for me personally!

 

You could leave the game running and then have a more realistic uk experience with 5 hours of delays

 

Not a bad shout

 

Just how?,

anyways here’s a tip just put yourself in photo mode by pressing both sticks and boom you don’t accidentally mess up

ps don’t do it on some scenarios like through the fire and flames since it will break

 

it’s fairly easy for me actually… happens more often than not.

I appreciate the suggestion but entering and exiting photo mode resets fog settings, which I rely on heavily to hide the atrocious render distance on PS5. Though I suppose it’ll do until whoever is designing the interface for Train Sim World gets a grip. Thanks.

 

To be frank, I don’t think it’s the wisest decision for the pause screen to go directly to the restart button. It made sense to me to have gradient info, upcoming speed limits, train info, and the ‘I’m Stuck’ button (which I’d argue is more useful to most players than the restart button) to all be available at a glance when I pause the freaking game. Why would I need to restart my game every time I pause it?

 

From what I can remember, from the pause screen just press circle on the PS controller and your straight back to the game, no other buttons required.....

 

Appreciate that but what does it have to do with anything I mentioned?

 

From the pause screen hit circle button and it will take you straight back to the action in game, that way you don't hit restart and have to do everything over again......

 

When pausing, hit save at the same time. Not perfect but better than the alternative.

 

Never had the issue myself, I just pause the game and when play further I hit the the back button (red B on Xbox). I even don't have to think about this, so don't get it why you restart.

 

You’ve misunderstood me. The issue isn’t getting back into the game after I pause. It’s accidental button presses. I’d rather accidentally reset the physics of my train than reset the entire service. Switching the “pause screen” from the overview tab to the options tab was a mistake. No advantage whatsoever.

 

I will try this next time, thank you!

 

They certainly need to move the ‘Load Save’ icon from being the first thing you land on when starting the game. The amount of times I’ve mistakenly gone straight into a previous journey is crazy.

 

Respectfully, why did you even bother to leave a reply? There’s nothing constructive or helpful about that at all… I’m looking for suggestions or workarounds, not someone telling me how much of a non-issue it is for them. I get it’s a niche problem and I’m obviously not the average TSW player but this literally doesn’t help at all…

 

It probably says a LOT about general expectations about why someone is likely to bring up the menu in TSW that they decided to make this the default go-to, frankly.

 

Yes I’ve noticed that too, it’s possibly one of the worst decisions they could’ve made in regards to TSW 6’s Home Screen.

Again, not a big deal but I’d suggest having the ‘To The Trains’ icon be the one to the far left i.e. the one that most people accidentally hit.

 

Yes, I’ve considered that as well. Which is how I came to the conclusion that I am not the average Train Sim World player… lol. I try pause as little as possible because of realism and immersion but when I do, thanks to this new change, I more often than not restart my service by accident.

Perhaps most players pause the game specifically to restart it after they’ve messed something up. But as far as I’m concerned, TSW is still firmly a simulator albeit with some arcade-y elements. And all the information you get at a quick glance on the overview screen is far more important to me than having the ease of restarting. It’s a simulator first, game second IMO and every change DTG makes (significant or not) should reflect that.

Out of curiosity though, how do you feel about the change? Does it even matter to you?

 

I never found the screen that useful for the info it provided. I prefer to go off what's available within the game world.
Usually if I pause, it's one of two reasons - either I want to bring up the menu to do something, either adjust a setting, or yes, sometimes restart because of a bug, or it's because the doorbell just rang.

I absolutely disapprove of DTG's decisions of which options default to though. It's too easy to do an accidental restart, and on the main menu, just spamming the button to skip the splash screens as everyone naturally does on games, means accidentally loading into the last save. I would pick "To the trains" as the default if I were designing the main menu.

 

Because people do not understand why this is an issue for you, as it's just a matter of pause the game and then hit the back button to continue. Krustynuggets already mentioned the right back button for Playstation I saw.

So why I react was because of the fact I don't understand the issue and why you restart a service, so I was trying to understand the issue and explained how I do it. But as my post is not helpfull or constructive and you even ask me why I respond, good luck with restarting your services everytime, I wish you will do it many more times!

 

Further to that, I was one of the ones who advocated for easier access to the menu via the pause screen in the first place, Rush hour was indisputably the absolute Nadir of user experience on that front with its convoluted "pause and then hold this button" system.

 

Yes and no! TSW goes through periods where it is not reliable and it keeps crashing, so to have the save menu to hand as soon as you hit pause is a must. I have hit the restart button loads of times, but it comes up with a menu prompt asking "do you want to restart?" So you have to click on restart to bring up the "do you want to restart?" and then confirm with X, so restart is a 2 stage process, so not sure how you are managing to get past both?

 

Similarly, on starting the game when it says press any button, you have to be careful not to press X as an accidental double tap will reload your previous save which is annoying.
The game should open on the middle menu selection of choose a route or whatever it is.

 

Why did they change that????

The only screen ith actual info on it is now hidden 4 tabs away.

Just terrible imo

 

To make up for the bad design and the change that should never have been made (so many button pushes to get to the overview screen now) I always immediately move the selection away from the Restart field to Save or Settings as soon as I pause so an accidental button press doesn’t restart the service. I think there’s a confirmation popup but that’s just as easily accidentally confirmed.

It’s like how I always use the right button on the d-pad for the ‘press any key’ startup screens in order to not press one too many times on the X button and be plunged into continuing the Journey Mode I abandoned well over 18 months ago and instead have that extra press on the right button take me to the ‘To the trains’ field I need. Clever me.

 

On Xbox Series X it defaults to Overview, at least during a Scenario anyway.

 

If you don’t understand then kindly don’t waste either your or my time with whatever you thought you wrote. It didn’t help me and it didn’t help you. Also that last bit wasn’t necessary to say in the slightest. But I suppose you’re just one of the many bored weirdos who abuse these forums for personal amusement.

 

Not sure what to tell you there. I’d argue perhaps my controller has sensitive buttons but it’s happened on both my controllers. I guess it could be avoided by simply paying more attention to where I sit it. I was gonna argue that there should be a prompt that comes up when you want to restart but it seems my controller doesn’t care either way. I did think more people would understand that having the pause screen default to the another tab was a useless and unnecessary change.

 

Yes that is understandable. But my point is that having the screen change does more harm than good for people like me, which I will acknowledge probably isn’t a large amount. I can only get so much information from the in-game world. I can’t look at my train and tell exactly how long it is in meters and how much it weighs in kilograms. That’s highly useful information for me that used to be available at a glance that I now have to search for.

Like I said though, not a big deal. Just thought it was worth the discussion.

 

I honestly think that info should be a simple overlay in the corner of the map screen.

The ideal map should also contain stuff such as speed limits for each section.

 

Could not agree more. If my memory is correct, Matt and the team were thinking of doing a lot more with the map. The menu is getting a bit cluttered anyway with so many different tabs. Freeing up that space while simultaneously bolstering the game map with it is a brilliant idea and I think it’s worth exploring.

 

You got to love the people that can just be so attuse, they clearly didn't get the memo that manners are free, and that they take you much farther in life too.....

 

Luckaly there is an ignore button, good start for him on the forum anyway.

 

Where in game does it give you the train length or weight? How is having that information not useful to you? Yes I am aware when you start a a service it gives you that info but after coupling/decoupling wagons the only way to access the revised data is to through the pause menu and personally I preferred it the old way.

That all said and done regardless it’s one extra button to get to what ever screen you want in the pause menu so I’m at a loss why the post is degenerating into a slanting match between some on here.

 

You are insane. You are acting as if this entire post is a made up problem that I’m the only one facing. Clearly that is not the case. Just because you don’t understand doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t. And just because it’s not a problem for you does not mean it’s not a problem for someone else. Every player has a unique experience with TSW.

I simply stated that if you have no idea what is going on why would you even consider joining the discussion? That’s not rude, it’s a very valid question. And, if anything, staying out of a discussion about something you clearly don’t understand or care about will save yourself from looking foolish. What is rude, however, is instead of admitting you have nothing of value to offer to this conversation, you say something like “hope it doesn’t get fixed, but actually gets worse!!!!”. You have lost the plot completely and I have no qualms with you putting me on ignore. Why on earth would anyone want to converse with you?

 

That is fortunately not my doing. I theorised in the past that when some users sees a problem experienced by someone that they themselves have not, they simply don’t care but want their voices heard anyway.

Back to the discussion, though, it was nice to have that information available quickly especially as gradient information can change on the fly and seeing how it progresses over the next few miles or kilometers is extremely useful for how I drive my trains.

And yes, it’s just “one extra button” but it’s still inconvenient. I now have two issues that did not exist before the screen was switched:

• The risk of accidentally restarting a service is now much higher, and
• Useful info that used to be available at a glance is now hidden.

 

I will admit I have no idea what “attuse” could possibly mean, but where have I shown a lack of manners anywhere in my posts? Forgive me for not putting up with Lexie’s nonsense, but I’ve still maintained respect with them. As I would with any other user.

 

Closest thing I can think of with those letters is a typo of "astute" but that word means the opposite of what the post seemed to imply.

 

Yes, I have never seen the word " attuse " before. Actually I don't think it really exists. What were you trying to say? Astute?, Obtuse?

 

There's literally another prompt asking to confirm if you want to restart, granted even that defaults to having yes highlighted. I don't think I've ever accidentally restarted though.

 

I don’t see how that matters in this specific case. If my controller can hit restart by itself it can just as easily hit confirm by itself as well. At least that’s how I understand it.

 

By the way, I would not be totally opposed to the ‘Options’ screen being the one you land on when you pause the game if the restart option wasn’t so easy to hit by mistake.

But I have realised that the change was likely made by Dovetail for a reason, as I’m sure someone insinuated above. Perhaps their data shows that most players do indeed pause their game to restart it. And I’d be more than happy to put up with it if it benefits more people than it irks.

 

If your controller hits buttons by itself then you should probably buy a new one

 

Come on, I don't think there's a single one of us alive here who knows somebody who plays games and has never fat fingered a button, had their finger nudge one by mistake picking it back up with their freshly washed hands after going to the toilet, or had the controller grip slip and accidentally mashed one.

And the reason many confirmation dialogue boxes which could accidentally end a session if misclicked default to no is how easy it is to unintentionally double click if jostled.

 

Gonna be honest your post confuses me. The post I was responding to said nothing about fat fingerings buttons, but apparently the controller pressing buttons by itself.

 

I mean, I've had plenty controllers where the early signs of a component needing replacing are phantom inputs, like it reading a single press of a button as a double press. Just had to toss a mouse in the spare parts bin for that very reason, as I couldn't get a replacement switch to go in the left button for that long discontinued model, like Amtrak chopping up an Acela Mk1 to keep the rest of the fleet operational, it can help my other ones stay in working condition longer.