Wcml Preston To Crewe Discussion

Same for the coaches

 

Warrington Arpley & Wigan Springs Branch (no surprise given it's next to the WCML) are both confirmed to be in the route on the latest roadmap. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but the section on a Liverpool - Blackpool DMU run seems to imply the route might go as far as St Helens?

 

Wigan has two stations north western and wallgate that connects to southport and manchester would be interesting if the route includes the second station, it is visible on approaching wigan north western station

 

I am sure that Wallgate will be included as it is indeed very much visible from the WCML on the approach to North Western, whether it would be useable is debatable as I can't think of any services which would run from Crewe and via Wallgate. The only freight that runs that way nowadays is the twice-daily "Binliner" to Knowsley and that's too far off the WCML to be included, whether the recycling plant was even there in 1986 is another question (probably not). It's incredibly unlikely that they'd surprise us and include the line from Wigan to Manchester so it pretty much leaves Wallgate with no playable services but at least some 101s and 142s on AI diagrams.

It would probably be possible to run a freeroam service into/out of the station and join/leave the WCML at Wigan Stn Junction though

 

So if these new class 20's and 47/3's are fitted with slow-speed control, does that mean they will also layer onto Tees Valley?

The old DTG class 20 from TVL doesn't have slow-speed control, so loading HEA's with it was a challenge.

 

It’s tough to say because TVL is such an old route it may be difficult to add substitutions. The 142 realistically should’ve substituted for the 101 but that never happened.

Seeing as it’s not confirmed at the moment, I’d just expect it not to layer for now, but who knows really.

 

Shame it's not TSC2024, JT would probably made it available as stand alone or a merge with Preston - Carlisle.
Just shows the limitations of this so called all singing all dancing new game.

 

I’m always confused why JT put such an insane amount of detail into their routes, but then continue with this repetitive ballast texture?!.

 

I mean it worked for west Cornwall local so there’s a chance

 

The 142 subbing in on WCL was purely accidental. Something to do with coding I think it was. When JT saw what happened they decided to officially make it part of the route instead of taking it out.

Personally I'd love to see TVL get a timetable update with more layers added to it.

 

Maybe rivet could do one of their gameplay and timetable packs they’ve been doing recently. Although those seem to be more surrounding their class 170s.

 

Oh I thought it was intentional or at least something they thought of, well still could technically happen since this game is held together by string and hope

 

I think it’s related to the number of cars whether it can substitute, the class 142 is 2 car like the 150, but the 101 on TVL is 3 car so no bueno unfortunately.

edit: (I don’t know about reality but to me it always seemed to make more sense the 2 car 101 should have been on TVL set later in 1989 and the 3 car 101 on NTP in 1983, that being the case im pretty sure it would have been able to substitute the 101 on TVL for 142)

 

Who knows, I guess we will find out probably in November (that’s my guess on the route being released in, also probably the later part of the month just going off past times and how it looks so far)

 

I doubt it will be released in November. Compare where we are now with the devlogs on their website to where we were at this time during WCMLOS development. They haven’t showcased any of the locos or new coaches/wagons.

I’m expecting at least an early 2026 release.

 

But they have shown off the locos, yeah it’s not all versions at the moment but that’s probably linked to a lack of a post on their website, pretty sure they were going to update it but something happened like normal a day after the roadmap they would add a dev log

anyways they have already shown the class 86/4 (could possibly be the /2 but it’s mostly likely the /4) in game

And shown the class 20 back during the first dev log so it’s probably on the final stages, so probably on the next dev log will determine if it will happen

also it’s in the within 3 month category meaning of everything works out it’s going to be November or December (pretty sure they aim for a November release)

 

In was first in the 3 months category in august

 

They haven’t shown anything of the 86/4 or the 47/3, and the class 20 was shown in a showroom not in game.

If you’re talking about this image:


This is 86237 “Sir Charles Hallé”, not a /4, and the coaches behind are the same mk2f’s and not the mk2d’s that are to be included.

The 0-3 month category is not a deadline, it’s an assumption. WCMLOS had a delayed release, as did the 86/2.

I think an early 26 release is almost certain, and in fact I want it that way, better to hold it and polish than release an unfinished product.

(Edit: grammar)

 

Perks up with interest… Is that a definite on the Mark 2D variant? I must have skipped past that in the description. If so that promotes this to must have rather than maybe category. I know we’ll only be hauling them but if done correctly the D’s had much nicer interiors. The same wood panelling on the walls as the A’s, B’s and C’s along with the winged headrest earlier Mark 2 seat design.

 

Yes, I believe it was in the initial announcement roadmap article and also a Mk1 RBR

 

Now that makes me very hyped! Day One barring any last minute hitches.

All we need now is a decent set of late Mark One’s the build with the more plastic panel interior and tube lighting.

 

Hopefully JT will create those for next year's release which will probably head from Crewe, maybe along the North Wales coast, though we'd really a need the addition of a Class 25 for that, OK, I'm get carried away now, wishing, hoping.....

 

My mistake about the class 86/4,

still wouldn’t be surprised if the class 142 2019 timetable actually takes over November instead of the route, which would probably make more sense since we seen quite a lot of it so far and also money is probably low at the moment

 

Isn’t this route still in the 0-3 months category on the Roadmap? Which technically means mid January at the latest. One of the reasons I’m loathe to drop £30 on the Crewe to Birmingham route, is I don’t want to find this suddenly comes out hot on the heels two weeks later. Now this one looks like a must have. I know DTG will never do it but more accurate release schedule would be appreciated.

 

Sacrilege young man

 

Off-topic, but I so wish the modern-variant 142 had been for a different route, like a Northern one for MAC.
I don't rate Cardiff City Network at all.

 

With the addition of warrington Bank Quay. It would be nice if you could route hop from here for services to chester and north wales coastline. From warrington 14 stops to llandudno. But could include branch line from llandudno junction via conwy to bangor or holyhead.

 

I don't think it will come 2 weeks later Vern :/

I am gutted that the first DLC is the BHM one rather than Crewe/Preston but that's just me, though I don't think it will be as late as folks are now making out. I think it is pretty well done and the lack of updates/images are more out of respect to not distract folks from the upcoming Birmingham route. My fear is that one of the foreign routes ends up slotting in for November pushing Crewe/Preston back to December, which would still fit in the 0-3 month timeline but just like last year with Shap, personally shafts me and comes out just after I finish a nice empty block of leave :/

As for rolling stock, yeah we are not getting a "new" loco, but the 86/4 is welcome as is the 47/3 but more importantly the updated 20 which will feature heavily on certain parts of this route. I still think it's a shame that there isn't a Roarer or Rat thrown in for good measure, the latter I would speculate could be their next loco DLC pack maybe including some of those late Mk1s or failing that it'd end up on a 80s era NWC route assuming/hoping that is where JT go next. Don't forget though that they are also including some "new" coaches and no doubt will be throwing in some new freight wagons too for speedlink services and the like

 

I really do think the class 56 should have been included with this route. I’m aware they only ran limited services in this area for the time period it is set, but what a great addition it would have been. Fingers crossed we get to see it as a dlc further down the line.

 

Honestly I'm looking forward to this one and a reworked 20. Hoping there will be a nice mix of traffic but especially looking forward to the freight services and the coal trains as TVL was always a favourite for me! Looking forward to getting more information for the route!

I'm hoping as JT have done well with their two previous routes that the car crash of timetables and texture issues won't be present on this one but anything couldn't happen with the core the way it is!

 

To answer this conversation about the new 20 and it devaluing the original, it won't. For one, the Class 20 railtour on Blackpool Branches for example calls upon the TVL 20 for its layer requirement. A layer has a base requirement, a specific addon that it calls upon which has to be present for it to appear even if all the stock within that addon is available elsewhere. The new SKA timetable is a good example of that - most freight calls upon KWB for its layer with the other available freight locos being substitutions swapping in for the KWB 185. The same will likely apply for the 20s, where the new JT 20 will sub in place of the TVL 20 on layered services elsewhere, but the original TVL loco pack is still required for the layer itself to exist.

Also, keep in mind that the TVL 20 also came with the limestone wagons. Many freight services still use these even on the newest releases, and they haven't been re-released since.

 

The texture issues are appearing everywhere, that's on DTG, not JT.

 

Just hope JT are watching the fall out from the AABS debacle and making sure steps are in place to ensure the product then hand over to DTG for publication is in tip top shape and that DTG don't blunder and put the wrong build on consoles.

However as it's apparent there are core issues at play here, particularly on densely populated and layered routes, I might still hold off getting this on Day One (whenever that is).

 

Because of the Crewe Birmingham fiasco I certainly won’t be buying this on initial release. I know it’s a different company producing it, but the brand of TSW is getting more and more damaged.

 

Upon reading the section I presume your referring to, I think it is just saying the trains run to Liverpool via St Helens rather than via Earlestown.

 

I think they have their own qa team and also use DTG.

 

I hope their QA team does a better job than All Aboards

 

To be fair to them they are pretty good at pushing fixes and when I email their support teams they get in touch with updates regularly etc as opposed to dtg who don't really do that.