Us Routes!

A rhetorical question. When approximately will we see the first results of this thread? We're already having a good time. But let's be honest, we're here primarily for results. Well, right now we're talking about frequent community requests. But they've been like this since the dinosaurs era. The New York City Subway, the Hudson Line, the Genesis, Chicago, Freight, etc. And they continue to give us commuter only routes.
I'm not against good coomuter routes, but here most people are asking for something else.
If someone from the DTG finds the time, please leave a note here on behalf of the DTG. So that we don't have to argue anymore about where X is and why after all these years it's not in the game.
Like: no Metra license, Amtrak long distance set is financially unprofitable for TSW, freights from A to B are boring, etc.

 

A definite thumbs up for diesel fuel. I really like the LIRR itself, but if they also offered diesel...

 

To be fair though, didn't they use the BR Class 450 or similar sounds from TSC for some of the LIRR and Harlem equipment. There should be enough reference material on YT which would allow the sound engineer to knock something together from existing material. And yes, MTA might not agree to DTG placing microphones all over a Subway unit on an official recording trip, but that doesn't mean (other than the risk of getting mugged) someone can't travel on the trains and discreetly obtain reference samples.

There is a ready and willing audience for a NYC Subway route and it's time we heard solutions, not problems.

 

Actually, there Quebec French, and rest of Canada French, very different, rest of Canada French very close to International French, Quebec French is very different, in fact many French people (from France, Belgium, etc...) have difficulty understanding Quebec people, and vice-versa

 

It seems like you answered your own rhetorical question. You already know the reasons why we don't have long distance Amtrak, Metra, etc. because these topics have all been brought up and been addressed before.

Let's look at it logically. We get two US routes a year, and we already know what they are. DTG probably also knows already what they're doing for the TSW7 open as well. So, at best, these community ideas, if anything is to come from them, would be realized sometime in 2027. And, anyone who has been around long enough has already heard about why DTG hasn't done most of these things in the first place.

And who did we hear it from? Mostly, from Matt. Presumably, now that we have a community manager, we will have less interaction with Matt. I mean, if not, then what even is the point? But, if that is to be the case, then the reality is that all we have been given is an added layer to communicate with the DTG team. I don't really see how an added layer improves anything, when we previously had more or less direct interaction with the EP (although, I can certainly see how it benefits him!)

Hey, I listed the routes that I would like to see too. I'm not against having some fun train talk, and even some wishful thinking. But nothing will come of it. Are you trying to tell me that DTG is going to totally change their approach to freight that has been discussed ad infinitum over several years and addressed by the EP himself in several different threads, because the new community manager wrote it down on a piece of paper?

Some people even thought that Candace might be a bot, even though DTG presented her as real, because they don't trust DTG enough to tell us the truth about whether or not somebody is actually a person. That's how broken this community is. DTG doesn't even make that much US content, so why we even need a community manager to represent players who've heard it all before for the sake of content that barely exists is beyond me.

Good luck Candace.

 

My grandfather's family immigrated from Quebec, and he would speak to me in Québécois French when I was young. All I could do was just smile and nod lol.

 

Kinda. Instead of spending time guessing and remembering what someone heard someday, turning this into word of mouth, it is better to get one solid official answer. Current, not 3 years ago.

For example, we can compile a list of our questions on US content. Candace will pass this list to Matt (or someone else), and when they have time, they'll answer why we can't get Genesis, Chicago, freight trains, etc. Then this information can be pinned here in the topic. And then we can move on to a more productive dialogue, stopping begging for things we won't get anyway.

 

I would like to speak to this concept. Consider this thread from 2024:

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/dtgs-stance-on-us-freight.84362/

I consider this the definitive thread of DTG and US freight, although there have been others. There is no need for guessing or remembering. It is not word of mouth. It is pretty official, and I daresay, nicely solid. Current, started in September 2024.

I easily found this thread just by searching for "US freight." Granted, I already knew what I was looking for. But, then again, a lot of the things I have learned about TSW have been through searching the forum, even without knowing what I would find.

Besides, even if Candace comes back with all the same answers, and posts them right here, won't this thread eventually be old as well? How often are we supposed to be sending her out to keep all the rejection fresh and timely? I also presume that if DTG was able to affect a change in any of this, like for instance they got a license for Septa or something, they would do something with it, and we would know. It wouldn't be like, hey, thanks for asking about that Metra license, turns out we actually had it but forgot, but because you had the community manager bring it to our attention let's make a route!

So, while I can understand where you are coming from, I don't see the point in having the community manager go to DTG with all these old requests when everything is already answered right here in the forum, easily accessible, and reasonably current. Like I said, it can be fun to talk about, and to me it is interesting to read what others prefer and how they play. At times it has given me a different perspective on how I interact with the game. But that's as far as it goes.

 

As often as DTG will release new versions - annually.

You denying the fact that the situation could change over the years? And no, DTG won't come and tell us about it until the new route is announced.

I suggest we simply obtain an official list of what we don't need to ask for with brief explanations of why it so. Then we can start grumble, protest, complain, and finally offering something feasible.
Otherwise, we will continue to ask for what we will not receive anyway. And in the end, the single request of a modest person for a new MBTA route will win.

 

You are starting to convince me. It might be nice to just have something to point to when we start getting the "never gonna happen" requests again. And, I suppose a yearly reminder isn't a huge ask.

That made me laugh. After this Santa Fe reskin debacle, I needed a laugh. Thanks.

 

Pls add Staten Island Railway, GO Lakeshore East Line (including VIA SC42, venture coaches/ cab car Trains) , North Jersey Coast Line, SEPTA West Trenton line (set in the late 1990s), Atlanta Metro, American Electric Freight Trains, Miami Metro, Baltimore Metro, LA Metro, Boston Metro, San Fransisco Bay Area Rapid Transit.

 

I know he's supposed to be Cajun French, but same idea =-)

 

I am reminded of my Australian friends

 

I would love to see the Metrolink Orange County line to Oceanside and Pacific Surfliner route to San Diego. Multiple rail companies you could passenger and freight operations.

 

Would love a US route where there's busy traffic from both passenger and freight services. Not the barebones feel that San Bernardino or AVL provide, or (and I hate to say it), Peninsula Corridor...but a more bustling range of locos/rolling stock

 

Boston Worcester is probably the best route where you can get both of best worlds. (granted you have all the layers) freight really starts to make a great presence once you make it past Framingham.

 

Again, Pacific Surfliner/Orange County Line between Redondo Junction and Fullerton would be great for that.... Freight dies off past that to Oceanside, but you still have a decent section of Metrolink, Surfliner, and BNSF trains.

 

Thats why we need something in Seattle area. Commuter, Amtrak and many freights.
But now they’ll come to get their kicks about the lack of a Sounder license.
And it's always like that

 

There's literally a ton YouTube videos that show the entire route with cameras straped to the trains.

 

That’s right. Watched many of them on YouTube.

 

It also keeps you on your toes staying alert for the upcoming signals around that area as you can end up needing to give way for stuff, not something that's usually an issue on most end to end straight commuter or freight routes.

 

Union Station in Worcester is also a great looking station in real life as well. (I wouldn't necessarily mind another MBTA route, but MBTA Green Line D branch might be one of the best metro options unless they did an 1980s set Washington Street Elevated on the Orange Line.)

 

Cajun French is the same thing as what we call Acadien, actually the Cajun were Acadien orrignally and were deported from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick to the Louisiana territory by the British

 

Which ever route is chosen can a rule be that more eye candy is added in the way of static Wagons/locos etc..Im tired of driving past empty yards in this game (and yes I basically own all DLC that make up for what little ones have something on the US routes).. When you check google maps to compare these are full of boogies etc yet the yards we drive past have big fat duck egg! my favourite word for this game is immersion and IMO I find its a key aspect to something like a trainsim that adds a little bit of realism to the journey. ( Also as a side note it can make up for deficiencies in the surrounding scenery by putting the focus elsewhere!)

 

Not until they sort out the way the amount of them at Hoboken gives me 30fps on a system that consistently delivers 90+ in most situations in this game...

 

I hope IRL you don't fall through the platform when you step out of the cab of the HSP46.

 

While that's true historically, 250 years of separation (and the influence of both Southern English and Creole) has made them notably different.

 

DTG has talked about the unsuitablility of YouTube sounds before, and possibly about legal issues with lifting someone else's work for their use in a for-profit game even if the sounds were decent quality.

Riding on the train with your phone mic on would not exactly give reference quality recordings, plus there's passenger and ambient noise pollution.

I believe Matt has talked about the recording process--not only attaching mics everywhere, but also running the train slow, fast, accelerating, decelerating, basically getting the full range of motion.

The forum, at least had gotten quite vocal over less than perfect sounds. Didn't Matt even put out the question again fairly recently?

Sometimes the solution is to simply leave it alone if it looks like it will meet with more disapproval than approval. And especially especially if it might also poison current and/or future relationships with railroads by sneaking around and going against their wishes. DTG needs them just as much as they need us.

 

I never actually said use the YT recordings in the game, just as reference. And I don't see why a half decent sound engineer couldn't obtain recordings with discreet portable equipment and, along with having actually listened to the thing in person, make a decent replica from their stock sources. I think the Subway is maybe one instance where some compromise on sounds would be acceptable to get it in the game and there's probably a bit more wiggle room where DC EMU stock is concerned than diesel traction.

 

IN THEORY - best case use for things like this would be compiling a whole library of sources, and handing them off to a talented foley artist to recreate them from scratch by ear as accurately as possible. You'd probably get something pretty solidly passable as the loco in question, but it would sound off to folks used to riding on the trains in question.

And here's the rub of why unfortunately, a vocal segment of the playerbase would not accept this as a compromise.

 

We need a sandpatch grade remaster like 2 more locomotives A es44ac and ac6000cw

 

looking at the tracks they are Slowey being label in the pc editor. for me i'm using oakville sub track and it hard to fine cause it not label like the other routes. i think oakville sub needs to be remaster or new Canadian route need to be made.

 

I like this one but not only the UP Subdivision, why not run the BNSF subdivision in tandem along the Kansas River..
I know it'll be a bit of an Audacious DLC but it'll be filled with a good variety of Freight trains and even an Amtrak (trying to get what ever routes we can to get the P42 in this game since DTG is all about gameplay!)

UP Subdivision - UP Neff Yard crossing the River at the UP Intermodel Bridge through Armstrong, Armourdale and 18th ST Yards following the line that runs with the Kansas River Through Lawrence to Topeka Yards at Cargill (adding any siding/plant along the way that is utilised)

BNSF Subdivision - BNSF 19th ST yard (the big yards to the North might not be feesable) running south of the River through the Emporia Yards following the southside of the river through Lawrence to the BNSF Topeka Yards (adding any siding/plant along the way that is utilised)

Amtrak - Kansas City union station, Lawrence station and finishing the line just past Topeka Station as it runs on the BNSF Subdivision

Rolling stock for UP and BNSF are already in the game so sole focus will be on the scenery (I doubt the P42 will get done but at least you add provisions should we finally see it, got to build as much gameplay to bring that train into the game!)

 

Given Granger Heartland is one of the worse US freight routes for TSC, I don't see this happening.

 

that's TSC.. Time to make amends with TSW

 

Also I doubt this would ever get done, due to research and steam issues, but a route set on Oahu in Hawaii would be a very unique route.

 

Only if DTG actually makes the Kansas City Skyline and dont borrow it from Philadelphia again, and the light flares on the ACe arn't eyeball burning.

 

We just need more USA routes (or updates to some of the older ones including extensions) but at least those that add good service Variety and not so Linear... Im surprised that there hasn't been more considering US would be a big market (similar to MSFS)? but compared to Europe seems to be a forgotten place (I understand DTG is uk based)...

 

Thank you!

 

Actually these trains run on amtrak Midwest

(Chicago- Milwaukee would be a good example)

 

Which trains? The ones I posted photos of?