Route Morristown Line New York & Hoboken - Dover - Feedback

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I would love an actual answer, but well, got at least something I guess lol

 

Hello
Am I the only one whose ALP 45 DP is stuck in diesel mode?
Holding down the reset button only causes it to cycle through diesel mode repeatedly.

 

Try to hold Panto UP instead.

 

Thanks for your help, I had forgotten that it was like that.

 

What's going on with these OHLE gantries:


Also, these gantry types look fine from a distance, but when I get closer they turn completely brown which looks terrible:


I don't remember seeing any of this before the most recent update.

 

On PC, and I see the same gantry weirdness. They definitely broke something with the last update.

Also, is it just me or are AI trains with ALP-45DPs having diesel sounds playing despite being in electric mode?

 

Oh no, Manchester Commuter's OHLE is contagious!

 

I get the same now as well, PC user

 

ALP-46. When you engage the throttle with the independent brake applied, sometimes the engine sound simply doesn't appear. Even after releasing the independent brake, even when the train has already accelerated to 60 mph. Engine works, it just doesn't make a sound.
"Fixing" method: reduce the throttle to idle and apply it again.

Arrow. When the selector is in reverse idle(or prep, i forgot spelling) possition, there is no dynamic brake sound when using the brake lever. Should dynamic brakes work in this controller position?

 

yes, I noticed this issue earlier in the morning today. Very clearly diesel sounds on electrification.

 

Same here. Also, from my latest it seems like the ALP45DP does not deliver HEP (e.g., I can't hear the AC of the Multilevels or the Heaters working when operating from the cab car). With the MFD of the cab car, trying to press "C" to exit out of the brightness tab doesn't do anything even though the tab eventually exits on its own.

 

Just to confirm I also have the disconnected floating catenary on PC as of the update. Around Hoboken it's a massive mess.

They really borked the z-axis for certain elements of the scenery with this patch.

 

Sometimes I feel like this route and locos were better on release day than today after all their so called improvements.
My biggest complain is still the low frame rates throughout, and god forbid it’s raining then I can’t even get 30fps westbound before Summit.

 

Better performance, fewer visual glitches, and the announcements worked properly, but with the issue of train faults happening when turned off.

Very much one step forwards, two steps back. I'm gonna look up steam depots for the previous patch and see if I can download the less broken Morristown line.

 

Confirmed - rolled back using the steam console, and the catenary is fixed. Definitely a flaw in the new version of the Morristown pak, and not due to the core update. Also the framerate at Hoboken is much nicer.

Anyone who wants can check by typing the following into the steam console and then replacing their Morristown pak in the game folder.

download_depot 3656800 3663660 9023971289660191652

 

Princess Entrapta, are you using some kind of ini-tweaks or why is the game so dark on your screenshot? It looks like you launched this route on TSW2.

 

Yeah, I massively tuned down the brightness via ini tweaks because baseline TSW lighting looks so blown out it's like staring into a nuclear explosion on my displays, and I cannot make anything out clearly.

I can best describe how everything looks to me on unmodified graphics as "We skipped the light fandango, turned cartwheels 'cross the floor...."

 

I will say again though, I do think a major resource hog when it comes to all the services for yard moves of what should be empty stock at Hoboken, is the game having to render and animate all of the countless passengers which by rights should not even be there in those trains. It has to be contributing in no small way to the performance cratering every time you get close to them, and until DTG can fix this behaviour, I can only see this issue continuing to be a problem for other routes.

 

havent really tried to use the reverse position as a means for braking ... I just put it to OFF and then use the brake lever... I mean, it is not that I havent thought of trying reverse as a means of braking, but havent seen it discussed anywhere including streams

 

From what I understand from another post that is basically the reverser handle. It is not used for dynamic braking on the Arrow.

 

Why not? It works, and works quite powerful.

If the power handle (and it's still almost the same as a power handle) can be moved in the opposite direction on US rolling stock, it means it's for dynamic brakes. Isn't it?

I mean, it's all the DTG's fault - they didn't explain that you can't use reverser as a dynamic brake. It looks like a dynamic brake + it works like a dynamic brake = it's a dynamic brake.

 

What is a dynamic brake if not applying motive force in reverse?

 

Hey I’m just a pretend choo-choo driver. If it stops the train it’s a brake! Lol

 

I use it for reducing speed on the approach to a station, then stick it in neutral and apply the brakes as I hit 30. It definitely feels intuitive.

 

I mean, basically yeah, but this is one of the things that is literally explained... nowhere ... so it makes sense, but until it is confirmed by someone with more knowledge of Arrow IIIs, I will stick to just putting reverser to OFF and using auto brakes

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/arrow-iii-brakes.94226/
in this thread the brakes are explained... the auto brake is blended... so you apply auto brakes, and after a slight delay the dynamics kick in

 

I know that. But what if I don't need the auto brakes? I need dynamic brake cause it's more responsive and gentle.

That's why I want to know if it's a bug or not, where the dynamic brakes don't work (or don't sound) when the auto brake is applied while the controller is in the reverse idle position.

 

I assume it is cos on this particular unit, Reverse is actually used for driving in reverse, and not as a means of dynamics... since this unit doesnt have a true reverser

 

Again, it's an idle position, no brake force, no amperes. Should it disable the dynamic brake?

 

ALP-46. 6653. Service starting by a punch(It looks like the train can't fit into the space allocated in the dead-end siding). But it's OK, because after you departing from the platform and stop at the red signal near the tunnel, your train will launch into the sky - I assume that the AI train crashes into player.

 

I have found some more issues with this route while playing the scenario "Back in the Quiver".

1. Between the distant to Kearney Interlocking and Kearny Interlocking, the cab signal goes from Approach Limited to Restricting to Approach (for the Medium Approach at the Interlocking to diverge to Cape Interlocking). I'm not sure if this is another quirk of the route IRL, but I wanted to point it out just in case it is an issue.

2. Is it normal sometimes for Arrow IIIs to take the stretch of unelectrified trackage between Kearney Interlocking and Cape Interlocking? Or do I need to ensure I have enough speed? I ended up stalling out because 1. I was going 15 MPH as I was still in interlocking limits (15 MPH is the highest restricted speed for interlocking limits and 20 MPH is the highest restricted speed for non-interlocking limits) and 2. I was stunned about the track I was routed on.

 

Anyone else noticed how bad the quality is between sunnyside and penn. When doing yard moves its horrible. Piles of ballest on tracks when going through the tunnel. Its becomes outside and tunnel disappears.

 

Those bugs have been mentioned in this thread at least twice and I sure hope were also reported by the beta team but no way of knowing when/if they will be fixed. Hopefully some day.

 

DTG, when you planning to do something with empty stock movements?
1. "Not in service" - still does not exist for the US.
2. Wow, you turned off the lights in the cars! But the cars are packed with passengers!!!

 

PlayStation 5 - Not seeing any Load Passengers notifications on Teaching Train.

 

Do the alp 46 and alp 45 share the same timetable.

 

Mostly, yes. But ALP-45DP also have some unique services.

 

Thanks what are unique services.

 

Services that go beyond Dover on the diesel line (line is not present in the game). Also, services that go to Dover by another line (represented in the game by two small patches: from Newark Broad Street and from Denville).
Nothing special, it's just that ALP-46 doesn't share those services.

 

Speaking of sharing the timetable, do you guys remember when we asked Dtg about alp45 substituting for alp46 on the NY Trenton and they said it’s not possible because of different loco lengths? Well, somehow both substitute each other on Morristown so it was very much possible all along…
To be fair, this substitution can lead to insta derailment if the train spawn on a platform with a buffer like ny penn track 2 or 3, but if we could get the substitution on ny trenton, I wouldn’t mind it and would just avoid few services while the majority would work just fine.

hey MAX1319 maybe you can convince the nice Dtg engineers to sneak in that substitution on the ny trenton

 

I thought the arrows where gonna layer into new york/trenton as well

 

We did suggest and asked about the ALP45 subbing on NYT. As you mentioned the ALP45 is longer. This requires an entire TT simulation to be done on NYT TT. Currently there's no plans for this.

Same issue here. would require a new TT simulation and again no plans for this. Trust me, I bring this up as much as I can and will continue to so

 

Are the alps really that slow at pulling away irl. Also whats the difference between alp 46 and alp 46 light loco. Thanks

 

If I'm not mistaken, this is a bug. "Light" is for static rolling stock in the timetable. Player shouldn't see this option.

 

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A 'light' locomotive refers to one without any rolling stock attached. So, if you are moving a locomotive alone, from one point to another, it's considered a 'light' locomotive.

 

Terminology is correct. But within the game, this is a bug, since this is an option for spawn in freeroam and it shouldn't have the "playable" flag in timetable mode. At least, that's what people say on a forum.

 

just out of curiosity, have you gotten your answer somewhere ? ... cos, not that I havent thought of trying to use reverser handle itself for braking, like at speed and just putting it into Reverse P1 or sth... but not your approach... so I am curious what you have found out

edit: oh my lolz... I actually tried braking with the reverser handle, and it sort of did, just dont forget to put it back to OFF once you stop cos then you will end up going backwards... but as a weird method of kind of braking, it works lol... just tested it in Training Center

 

There are a whole bunch of loco moves across the game going all the way back to SPG's helper returns which are timetabled and playable. What makes this one special?