Just Trains Tfw Class 142 And 2019 Timetable

I enjoy the Cardiff route. Yes I'd like it to be longer but it still feels like a busy little network with many self contained services. It's great for when you don't want a long run.

This pack is hardly expensive and adds a complete new timetable with a new service pattern. For me I'll use it and it's well worth the money.

Obviously for some it's not.

There does seem a readiness on these forums to feel angst at every announcement.

 

I hope they've tweaked the physics, the cummins/voith one in Blackpool takes off like a rocket with associated mangling of the sounds.

 

Exactly the point some are missing! I’m sure JT put a great deal of work into this and if it was a new timetable for (say) Riviera Line going back a few years when the 142’s were still kicking about then the ask would have been a bit more tolerable, Price isn’t just a direct correlation of the work that goes into the product but the value the end customer will receive. For all the slight issues, the Class 86 and Mark 2F set was well worth the money.

 

And that value differs for everyone.

 

JT just added some new photos enjoy guys

 

Nah it deserved its price since you get 8 liverys and a set of four couches and all having two liverys

 

It’s actually a loco and rolling stock pack, anyways it’s just investment for their next route because the 86/4 probably won’t have passenger services but the 86/2 will

 

Skill issue, honestly it’s pretty best build train in the game

 

I'm actually fine with the price as it's JT but it's still same price as a loco add on. I'm always happy to pay extra where necessary for JT content because it's got the extra care and attention to detail.

What I'm not fine with is charging £30 for Cardiff when Blackpool was a better and bigger route with more of a network of branches that CCN is. Blackpool is beautiful, CCN some areas look like they've been done with MS Paint (looking at you Whitchurch) and there haven't been any motions to fix that despite all of the feedback. Which would be even more of a shame if that other post about DTG using CCN to trial these kind of routes is the last we see of anything like this.

I've always said the 153 is fantastic and the idea of the route itself is a great one. Id love it and it'd be a favourite if there had just been a little more care and attention. Its only annoying and so frustrating because I so desperately wanted this one to be good.

 

I’ve bought all of Just Trains products on Day 1 as i like to support them. Unfortunately I will be leaving this one until DTG or JT make some improvements to CCN. I don’t normally complain about pricing but as I play on Xbox Series X, I cannot indefinitely keep throwing money at a game that has so many problems.

 

It's not JT's route to make any changes, DTG would need to do that.

 

Nothing to stop a bit of horse trading between DTG and the 3P's. And wasn't CCN actually a sub contract to Rivet anyway?

 

This game of DTG and 3P's arguing over which bug or feature is which party's responsibility has gotten old and boring very quickly.

I don't care about which dev has beef with another from 25 years ago when they were making MSTS add-ons, what internal drama they're dealing with, or differences in their artistic visions, or much of anything else besides getting the best gameplay experience for my $.

IMO it's all very simple- DTG are 100% responsible and should insist that 3Ps play nicely with each other if they want their content published.

Small example: why do we have 3 timetables for Shap when there only needs to be one? Because SHG and JT have beef over something (and again i do NOT care about the details) and JT wouldn't let them just update the original TT for CL4, which then had the knock-on effect of requiring a third TT for CL5 because DTG won't allow a DLC timetable to be dependent on another DLC. Awesome!

As a customer that is all beyond silly and I hope DTG will finally step up and address this before it gets any further out of hand. Especially as first-party releases have slowed quite a bit while they're DEFINITELY NOT working on the next gen train sim.

 

Because ain’t overpriced? I thought you older people were smart, (would rather end my life than say 6 7)

 

So random question is the class 220/any one loco pack overpriced for you?

 

The issue for me is that there is only one route pack that these ‘new’ trains can be used on, and in that route pack there’s probably about two end to end journeys you can do. As discussed at length, as I understand it anyway, DTG said to cut the route down to the bare bare bones we have and so now this add on has nowhere really to stretch its legs. So, I can’t justify £12.99 for this. Extend the only route you can use it on to Barry Island and you’ll have a sale.

 

No idea, but it would make a lot of sense.

 

I just done a job on ccn and it just feels like its over before its started.

 

Yeah, it's a bit like that.

I actually enjoy the route more than most, especially for a quick session, but because the bit through Cardiff Central and up to Queen Street is so slow, it feels like it takes up 75% of the run!!

 

It’s a £8 difference,

£12/13 for one train and sometimes a wagon

or £20 for a train with 8 liverys which multiple of them have different headlights etc, + 4 couches in both br and intercity

you do see the difference right?

 

Do you ever shut up? I explained that I personally feel £20 is too much for a loco add on. That is my personal opinion. I'm allowed to have that right? Because you are seriously acting as if I'm not.

 

Was just pointing out a flaw, like seriously it’s like complaining about buying a family size portion of food because it’s more expensive than a normal portion

Because duh you get more with a family portion/ the 86

than what you get with a normal portion/ normal loco pack

 

I wonder why all these people who are complaining about the length of the Cardiff route bought it in the first place? It wasn't as if the information was hidden away!

 

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Now do the thug shake

 

I also enjoy the route. It’s pretty well made apart from the aforementioned incomplete station building. Got it on sale and find it good for a quick blast in the Sprinters. Will also pick up the 142 to add variety and to support JT.

 

The hell is a thug shake?

 

How about you grow up and act like the adult you claim to be and allow others to have an opinion. You know just like YOU like to have your opinion others will have theirs.

didn’t know you get a free couch either with the 86 pack must still be waiting for delivery of mine.

 

If there's a free couch included for £20, even I'll admit it's a good price.
In fact, I'll even buy it in TSW5 after 6

 

A dance movement (preferably performed by [censored]) that consists of a repeated hip movement, causing your [censored] to swing and shake in sync with the hips movement.

According to a Google search anyway. Basically, a dance move.

 

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anyways the point was the stuff you get in pack for £20 is good value compared to a normal loco pack
(Me the person on £200 a month can afford it lol)

 

And that is your opinion. Others will have an opinion as well it may be different to your one but doesn’t mean they are wrong and you are right and vice versa

 

For the 153 and the 150, though the latter turned out to be a bit of a dud. I actually held off and waited for a slight sale (20% off) which sweetened things slightly. Also the naive view it might not be as bad as the pessimistic reports suggested. Sadly, it was but by then too late to refund.

There was also the forlorn hope that DTG/Rivet were doing this as an early access route and would seek to expand later, which of course has never happened.

 

I might get the route in a sale just for extra layers as i really like the 153 im not paying full price for a 20 mile route

 

A reminder here that PC Steam players can buy direct from JT so that they make more out of it (I know I will be).

 

There's no 156, it's a 150 and 153

 

When have they ever done an early access route that they would expand later? Why would this be the one to do it?

That's just setting yourself up for disappointment imo.

Personally i like CCN quite a bit, since not being local i don't even know what's missing.

It's a fun little network to zip around with lots of different service patterns and the 150 and 153 are quite full of personality.

The Pacer should be a good addition even though it's ridiculous that the TfW 150/153 is locked to this route.

Also would have been nice for them to add station announcements to CCN as it will probably never be touched again, and update the Pacer to the new core train announcements system.

But it's a cheap pack so it is what it is

 

Sorry meant 153 lol thanks

 

If this timetable is set 2019, does that actually mean the TfW layers on other 2019 routes (ie Birmingham routes) actually currently have incorrect liveries? Also shouldn't that be even more reason that these liveries should be able to sub in on those routes?

 

2019 was quite transitional for TFW, you had a good split of both ATW unbranded liveries & their at the time new Red & White livery. I’m not sure how South Wales was in terms of the split but in North Wales it was predominantly the 158’s that had the newer livery at the time, with the 150’s staying in ATW colours the longest.

It’s a similar issue with Avanti on the 2019 TT’s, they literally didn’t exist at the time.

Locking the liveries to this one route is bad enough since there’s no good reason for it anyway, it’s a skin pack & I should be able to use them, but the fact that allowing the substitution on every route these trains are usable, would actually correct an inaccuracy & they’re still prohibiting it, is just nonsense.

 

Well, if that's the card they want to play...

 

I'm still waiting for the Cardiff route to be at least 60% before I go near it and that's just because I want to see the sprinters layered in on the MAC route. Once I have that, I will then wait for a minimum 40% sale on the pacer pack, it's not a route that interests me but it may be OK just for a little run now and again.

 

Are the opening windows on the 142 going to be random? (I'm assuming it's a new thing with this version of the model?)

And if so will it be something added to the existing Blackpool model too?

 

The 86 is a loco + coaches add-on not just a loco add-on

 

Ah LOVE, here we go again...

 

(Deleted posts so Just Trains fanboys stop flaming for having a god damn bloody opinion on a stupid af train that isn't even the topic of this damn thread. Seriously, don't piss of the Just Trains fanboys)

 

Just don’t say something factual incorrect next time lol

 

I said an opinion. Not a factual incorrect statement. FFS

 

Have they mentioned if the ex-ATW 150/153 will be spawnable in free roam? Or are they only available literally within the timetable?