Gwe Remaster: Appreciation And Discussion Thread

Already planned too during the first second of seeing it

 

There are people who purchased TSW5 for this pack, there are people who would have done the same for TSW6, we still don't have a release date yet despite being told for over a year "Hopefully before Christmas."

Which Christmas? If it gets delayed again will it suddenly be only available for TSW7, It's not free if people have to keep purchasing the latest iteration of the game in order to play it.

You say you've tried to make it playable for Console users and is now with the Beta team, are any of them testing it on console? I've every right to be cynical about this regardless if it's free or not.

In my line of work even if I do something for free I'm still expected to have a high standard of work and be held accountable if it doesn't work. This is exactly the same situation.

 

If that is the case, then that is on them. Wait for it to come out would surely be the solution before spending money.

TSW5 and 6 were free upgrades anyway so shouldn't have cost them anything.

 

Oh give over and go back to whining about your lower spec Gen 8 not being able to run every DLC pls.

 

My advice, ignore these people. They're never happy.

Honestly, the wait will be worth the effort given what you've done with it.

 

I am only sharing my hope for Christmas. GWE remaster will be ready when Liam is happy with it, but I know it will be well worth the wait.

 

Who? You seem to be just imaging scenarios to get mad about. For a free update. Embarrassing.

 

Gen 9.

 

So because it's free I can't be cynical? If I hadn't spent hundreds of pounds on the game since it's launch on console I'd agree, but I have. This was one of the flagship announcements for TSW5 and then we can go months without any announcement at all, that we have had third parties get announced, route announced and launched in the time since the initial announcement isn't a good thing.
Hell, we've even had a new version of the game since then.

Free or not, that's not great.

 

Quizzically, what exactly are you expecting to achieve with your repeated posts here? You've made your discontent at the situation heard. It's reasonable to be sceptical about whether or not the route will run well given the state of the game, but that's kind of the only thing. The state of the overall game is an issue, not an unreleased upgrade which you know nothing about. It's not down to Liam to fix the game's core and repeatedly bringing it up here does nothing to fix the situation.

Could the original announcement have been handled better? Absolutely. I think everyone is frustrated with how long it's taken, not least Liam who has been very upfront with communication (within what I assume are quite tight limits set by DTG). Why you're now complaining about the quality of something that isn't even out yet is beyond confusing. Lets not forget that even if it does end up with a reduced timetable on Gen 9, it will be a damn sight more compelling than the currently available timetable.

 

How exactly did the GWE remaster come about again? Who started it? How many hours have gone into it? How many unpaid man hours have gone into it?

 

I'm really looking forward to the remaster being released. Appreciate your time and effort.

 

Ignoring all the cries and tantrums from some…

Hey Liam! Very excited for this, what can you tell us about the 387’s features as a layer? Were you considering adding it as an included route loco? Will the TPWS and safety systems hazard lights illuminate? (I understand this was a bug in BML).

 

The amount of time and work that has gone into this remaster is second to none. I can tell you that from first hand experience whilst testing it out. The fact that this will be a free remaster upon release is even more amazing. I think its genuinely payware worthy and is something I'd certainly be happy to pay for.

Anyway, I digress.

Also, don't forgot Liam is doing it in his spare time and also has many other things to be juggling around and will be working on. A definitive release date is not important. It will be ready when its ready. However, from what I have seen, we are very nearly there now.

 

While I am sure everyone (including Liam) would have wanted this to be out sooner, the delay doesn't detract from the fun we will all inevitably have playing the remastered GWE route upon release. In some ways, the delay is a good thing because now the voyager and 802 will be present (though I am still to buy Riviera). Hopefully the QA and beta teams will have it tested thoroughly so console players can get straight to playing it upon release, rather than being affected by performance issues - really glad to hear it is nearly there!

 

I can quite happily see the majority of forum members and players are very grateful and excited for this add on (I'm not just saying this, but it's certainly on par with GTA 6 on my want list I can tell you!). I hope that the odd bad apple doesn't reflect how appreciative the majority of the community are. No matter how successful you are in anything you put your hand too, there will always be a cynic unfortunately. And I hope Liam knows the majority of the community are behind him on this... Keep going and ignore the odd comment that isn't reflective of the majority!

I've said how I feel about this several times over the life of this thread so I won't repeat myself again like a broken record, but I'm full of praise for Liams work. And for a freebie? You really could not ask for more.

One question I do have, is, will the GWE update be getting a preview stream before it is released? I think it deserves the platform to be able to show off its brilliance in the flesh shortly before release and give us as a community one last piece of excited anticipation!

 

I'm sure that most of us are very grateful for Liam's effort and look forward to its release.

But.....there's always more than one way of looking at something, always another opinion, and no-one should be verbally shouted down for voicing his/her point of view, even if we disagree with it.

And if this remaster is in the hands of the QA team at DTG, recent experience doesn't fill me with confidence that they will weed out any issues or apply a polish to the finished product before release.

It's been a long time coming, but since there's nothing we can do to hasten the release, let's sit back and wait patiently.

But if someone is impatient and has doubts about something, he is entitled to feel that way and share those feelings in the forum. Not everyone feels warm and fuzzy all the time.

Anyway, the GWE route has always been a favorite of mine and I'm anxious to see how much better it can be.

Thanks again, DTG Liam, for taking the time and giving us what we hope will be a fun Christmas morning.

 

You are doing a fantastic job Liam.

I am excited for the update to release. Hopefully in the distant future someone will endeavour on a Reading to Bristol and Oxford so we can do a full run with the HST.

Hopefully the HST will get AP physics if that ever happens though.

 

Liam, thanks for your work, I'm really looking forward to the release. I just wanted to clarify one more question: will the Diesel Legends get a new schedule? And could we see the Class 33 on it?

 

Off topic a little DTG Liam did you do the Cathcart remaster.

 

Will the official one be coming later?

 

If I'm putting the tinfoil hat on, that does remind of when Rivet Games Tyler said they left gaps in the 170 timetable on Birmingham Cross City for a Voyager in case it ever gets added, but I'm not gonna assume it's a hint. Probably just a general statement

 

I'd like to see timetable gaps added for any possible train, even if it's not likely to come out until TSW 19. That way, when stock does come out, it can appear more places where it should, like the Voyager. I appreciate there's probably a limit to this but it is something DTG have started to do more and more and it's a really positive step.

 

You done a great job on the Cathcart route . Do you still see this coming to us this year. Thanks DTG Liam

 

Will it install as an update when it releases, and will I keep custom formations from the original?

 

If it's not on the roadmap, it's not coming. He didn't confirm that an official one is coming

 

So does that mean, even if we own it, we won’t be able to drive real services? I was sure, given the photos posted, that it would appear as Paddington to Hayes and Harlington services in the timetable.

 

Further tinfoil hat time, it was going to be, but got left out for a reason. The real one.

(I'm just joking about, please don't take this or my previous post seriously )

 

I mean, if an official one wasn't coming, there'd be no reason to leave out the unbranded version, right?

 

If an official GWR 387 was coming out it would be the preferable option over the non branded one it has to be said...

My niggling question is though, what would its limitations be on the GWE route, as the route set in the time period it is, is only electrified to Airport junction? And as GWR now operate the Heathrow Express on behalf of BAA, could that mean an official Heathrow Express brand would come in the same pack?

 

Could come with another section, say Reading to Swindon/Oxford/Banbury

 

I personally hope not since we've had Riviera line recently and another GWR route released in such a small space of time would feel like a kick in the teeth.

However I definitely wouldn't rule it out for sometime in the future, as you'd be able to get the 802 all the way up to 125 miles an hour.

 

As in leave out workings in timetable mode for trains that haven't been made yet?

 

Swindon is the only one that is electrified

 

Could go towards Newbury although I'm not sure how much further it's electrified beyond there and Reading to Newbury probably isn't substantial enough on it's own, although I'd prefer that route in the 2000s anyway because living there in that time period

 

No, the opposite. Add them in, set for potential future trains.

 

387s terminate at Newbury and that's where the electrification ends. There really isn't a lot of places where GWR 387s run but Didcot is where they terminate and then return back towards Paddington, it would only be an 18 mile extension though unless it went all the way to Swindon onto Cardiff but there aren't many 387s that do that journey.

 

I'd personally say go for that as well.

I think JT did this for Preston-Carlisle as well, and when the 86 released I remember seeing quite a few complaints about it not adding any new services. I hope that criticism doesn't scare other developers away from doing the same though, as I prefer having that fully fleshed out timetable.

 

So in the case of this route they add a timetable for the Class 360 services but put in a placeholder until the Class 360 has been made. Is that what you mean?

 

It not adding services is only half the issue, I was one of those the bunch complaining about it. You know what one of my favorite loco's is though? The MP36, adds nothing new, but the engine's so different from the standard F40 that it makes up for that, the F59PHR is in the same boat. The Class 20 now does add railtours, but before JT was doing their thing that wasn't too different either. It technically adds some services to Tees, but only three, outside of that bulk of what you'll be doing is just hauling the normal coal services. But again, the 20's different enough to be worthwhile even with that in mind.

The real issue is both that plus the fact of that plus the 86 is so similar to the 87 that's the bigger problem. The only really thing you're getting is a slower, slightly (and I do mean slightly) different looking 87, which I just don't think really gives this pack wide appeal. Honestly I tend to not even care which is which, the power decrease doesn't really feel that noticeable, and you zone out the differences like the windows probably 10 minutes into a run.

I think it also needs to be said, there's more options than just "doing it/not doing it". The obvious one to me would be to hold off on the 86 and save it for a future route. Alternatively, maybe we should've gotten the 86 as a Expert engine, that would've done a lot to make it a must have even with the 87 already in the game.

 

Yeah, and that can either be filled by the closest thing, or left hidden, until the train comes out.

 

I haven't played with the PC Editor much so maybe this is an obvious "no", but when building a timetable is it not possible to use one loco / unit in place of another to populate the services, whilst using a specific naming convention for those particular services? That would then allow them to act as placeholders and enable easy replacement later on. Even if it's a manual job it would allow for easy identification of the services that need to be updated.

 

Hi DTG Liam sorry if already been asked and answered. Is there more or less or the same amount of freight jobs. If you own the relevant cargo packs. Thanks

 

For me the 86 is synonymous with the WCML in the 80s, so I completely disagree with everything you've said but I respect your opinion.

 

I concur, the 86s were much more common than the 87s (36 vs 100 86s) so it looked a bit odd having just the 87 before handling everything. Hopefully once Preston - Crewe is out, we'll see the freight turns also shared with the 86/4s. While there were 87s on freight duties they generally handled the fast passenger services on the WCML.

 

Excellent news, I really like the BR blue guise on the Western there, but prefer the way the horn is set up on the updated WSR example so looking forward to this!

 

The fact you have to specify "For me" implies there are people that wouldn't consider the 86 all that important for a 80's WCML, which actually supports my point further.

Half my post is just listing other loco add-ons and explaining details on them, if you're saying you disagree with everything than it just comes across like you didn't read my post.

Also just as a general response to the 86 being more common, doesn't really mean much. The Big Boy wasn't all that common a engine, but if you did a 50's Sherman Hill it would be silly to pick something like a common 2-8-0 over it. There's more to a engine being a good pick than just it being more common.