Upcoming Release Frankenbahn: Stuttgart - Heilbronn: Coming Soon!

Wow that look amazing!
dtg_jan will we get a separate preview for the announcements for the route? They are missing in the showcase video.

 

Looks very interesting dtg_jan . I was just surprised to see no variety in paints. The year 2000 was a transition for Deutsche Bahn with Verkehrsrot slowly making its way to a uniform corporate identity, while there were still n-Wagen in Produktfarben (that greenish tone) and original Silberling livery in dozens, same goes for the Doppelstockwagen (Produktfarben and Verkehrsrot, although the latter was still rare in Stuttgart on this coaches), the DBBR 111 and DBBR 140 featured OzeanblauBeige, Orientrot and Verkehrsrot. At the same time the DBBR 103 and DBBR 110 (from the Bremen addon) were also to be found in various paints (TEE and Orientrot for the 103 and Kobaltblau, Ozeanblau Beige, Orientrot and rarely Verkehrsrot) in Stuttgart. Verkehrsrot was still very tare as it was introduced in 1997 with the DBBR101 and was slowly being applied fleetwide, although older locos were often spared. At around this time the one and only DBBR 103 was painted in Verkehrsrot, think it was 103 220. I can tell that, because back then I was frequently in Stuttgart and used the "Schönes Wochenende Ticket". Is there any chance to implement this variety and bring back memories for many users and customers?

Kind regards.

 

Looking good!

 

Agreed, would love to see some of this.

 

It looks like a writing mistake for me.... Its looks like more "early" 2000 years and not "the" year 2000.... This is indeed not the year 2000.... More like 2008 and later....

 

Is the route set too early for ICE AI service at Stuttgart?

 

The article states "Set in the year 2000, recall the days when the millenium was new", so it is set in the year 2000 and that was when there was still a colourful mix around with Verkehrsrot very rare. The first Doppelstockwagen in Nuremberg in Verkehrsrot appeared in 2001/2 for example. I added the link for you to crosscheck:

https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...e/frankenbahn-stuttgart-heilbronn-coming-soon

Kind regards

 

Not at all, there would be loads. The ICE1 was introduced in 1990, the ICE-T 1999, and the ICE3 in 2000. 101s came in in the late 90s and the white IC coach livery around 1999.

 

I can perfectly read but what i mean its not the correct time period what they talking about.... DB Red was nearly not available and the area around Stuttgart has in that time period a lot off different mixed type of trains. So yeah i confirm youre text.

 

No ICE 1 and, by then, ICE 2 were dispatched to Stuttgart regularly in the year 2000. The ICE 1 service commenced in 1991 from Munich, via Augsburg, Ulm, Stuttgart, Mannheim, Frankfurt/M., Fulda, Kassel, Goettingen, Hannover (where the Expo 2000 took place that year and which, besides the Eschede accident was why the DBBR 103 was still around) to Hamburg.

Kind regards

 

I can confirm that i have travelled in the late 90's with the ICE1 but the ICE1 in game is not in line with that time period. The cab and Interior was way different with different seating.

Edit this is around Stuttgart not on the route Stuttgart Heilbronn

 

For an AI train though that's fine. Even for a driveable service it's better than nothing.

 

Also, these are the days of 14-coach Intercity trains.

 

AI only then... Heilbronn is not beeing a serious long distance station in the past years... Maybe some IC services but sofar i know no ICE stop

 

Yeah, the odd Interregio I think - I expect they'll sub IC stock in for that.

 

No they have no plans for it.... This is from the announcement page....

Additional Service Layers
More gameplay is unlocked using layered content from previous Train Sim World Add-ons.
These include:
BR 111 Dosto services from Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn
BR 425 services from Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn
Mixed freight services from Ruhr Sieg Nord
Shunting substitutions using the BR 294 locomotive from Train Sim World 6: Deluxe and Special Editions
In addition, gaps have been left in the timetable to accommodate BR 420 services, in preparation for its release. We'll continue to update on the progress of this Add-on in future Train Sim World Roadmaps.

 

There was a previous article that mentioned it I'm sure.

"These include", implies the list isn't complete.

 

I'm also very sure that Interregio Services were mentioned.

Kind regards.

 

Do you also have memory gaps for the S-Bahn-tunnel up to Schwabstraße? ;-)

 

I will consider in 6months after release and few fixes... Frankfurt/Fulda/Garnish Lesson learned.

 

This DLC is a Shame
51 Kilometers, recycled Sounds and no Underground Route to Schwabstr for 3 more stations.

This DLC is a Sale Buy only

 

Not including Schwabstraße is very disappointing. Funny, how they always set the time period of German routes in a way, that they can recycle the same old stock. I´m suprised it´s not 2010 again.

 

So how does this route address the blurry textures on consoles huh? So y'all just made another new route for Gen 9 while still ignoring a major issue that's affecting nearly all routes..

 

Someone posted on Facebook that the 140 is using the same sound set as the existing 110 and 111’s. Definitely a question for the Q&A as I would have hoped original sounds would have been used. The 140 is (was) the main appeal of what will boil down to a double track, 40 mile electrified inter urban route similar to what we already have.

Hopefully the forthcoming streams will convince me otherwise but given the game is already awash with German content, this will likely join the increasing list of DLC bumped to a sale. And you can bet your boots there won’t be a prerelease discount either.

 

I note that the screenshots and video don't show any of the layered trains, even those listed, so I'm still holding out hope for a dash of Produktfarben.

 

I think this is one of the better choices for a German route - it's four track for a section, will be very busy in places, and the scenery, twisting around the river, should make it a very pleasant drive.

I don't think it's quite a day 1 purchase for me - TSW is getting expensive, and it seems like it's better these days to wait for new releases to settle down, but I can definitely see this being one of my favourites when I do get it. That may be after the 420 is out, because that will make it even better.

 

Whats the length of this route thanks.

 

Just read the intro spiel again and it's 51km so not even 40 miles this time!

 

I have similar view on this. Besides the orange DBBR 420 has the Deutsche Bundesbahn logo, which was applied after rework for DB Museum charters, whereas the "Keks" on ordinary 420s looked different. I also wonder why the Olympiablau as the sole missing variation can not be done for the set.

Kind regards.

 

51km is 31 miles with 15 stations another stop start route. Was kinda hoping it was longer .

 

Name-dropping RailAdventure in the article is interesting... Seems weird to involve a private 3rd party company unless perhaps there's an upcoming licensed RailAdventure pack in the works.

 

Ah yes... nothing screams the year 2000 like a freight train full of bright pink ONE containers...



Just FYI, Dovetail:

I consider a wrong ICE1 interior a far smaller immersion breaker than this. And the cars on the autowaggons also aren't exactly 2000.

 

lol good spot.

 

Ok, I'm usually very positive but experience has made me wary.

The fact that we this is the first time we get to see screenshots of the actual route, that close to release, gives me pause. I hope this won't turn out to be a Maintalbahn 2.0 event, where the route has been hastily slapped together to meet a Christmas release. If done well though, the route could be a blast, gameplay-wise and optics-wise.

What we got to see of the new rolling stock looks promising! The cab of the 140 is nicely different compared to that of the 110. Hope it will sub into many other routes.

Uh, you should have double-checked that one

Reading this sentence so close before release dampens my enthusiasm quite a bit. I really, really hope that QA (if DTG has some) is on their toes this time.

Glad to see the superior 425 from Ludwigsbahn is being used here. Much more enjoyable than the old one.
And also glad to see that Ruhr-Sieg-Nord still adds value to newer stuff

I was mildly hoping that the 420 might be released together or at least in close company to this route. It defintely will add a lot of value to it! But reading "roadmaps" in plural form shatters this hope quite effectively
The "Waiting for Godot" comparison from another thread came to my mind...

Uh, that's steep. I think I actually will pass for a while this time, until the first user reviews are out, to see if it really is worth it.

Hmm, that's disappointing indeed. There are still many 140 roaming the country, I bet at least one company would have let them get some recordings gladly (perhaps in exchange for some in-game advertisement via livery ).
But since those locos are all very similar in terms of setup and components, I can accept it as a compromise.

Indeed. A good deal of my decision to buy this rests on how many other routes the 140 will sub into. And the Wittenberge cab could see widespread use as well.

Mixing the LFR rolling stock in here would indeed fit very well! Could be done in a similar fashion like TSG did with their LFR timetable and the Mittenwaldbahn stock. The late 90's to early 2000's had a wide variety of liveries

Would indeed be great to get some more variety on container trains. On very container-heavy routes like Bremen-Oldenburg, it can get monotonous rather fast. Sure, getting more licenses is expensive, but how about adding some DB-owned containers? They were very common at this time anyways. Or some unmarked ones?

 

Also, is there any chance of following the example of Just Trains and creating a few liveries for the 111 and 140?

Both would suit Orient red and blue-beige (we already have the 111 in that), while the 140s even wore green. I know there's livery designer but it's not the same.

 

Ah, forgot something!

Remembering my school days (coincidentally exactly the time period this route is set in), the correct frequency of this could well be one or two doors jamming at each stop. Was late for school a couple of times because of that
Poor n-Wagen really were on their last legs at the time... at least in my region.

 

An official livery pack like that would be an instant buy for me
Put a green 140, an orient-red 111 and a TEE-coloured 110 in, and I'm game.

 

We know about the keks is wrong. Need to get that sorted at some time. There might has been a reason this rare one is on for now. We had to get references from somewhere and it was probably the 001.

For the blue one, no. Will not happen. This pack will already be too expensive for lots of people (they will tell us what it should cost by their opinions). Adding the blue one raises the costs again and selling prices too. Also there is no application for it yet. The Munich route is not set in a era where the blue ones were driving there at all. You can use the livery designer to make it blue. The orange one is repaintable (basicalle all are).

Waiting is part of the "game". I can't being split into pieces to do all the trains needed at the same time. I did setup work for DTG and therefor the 420 had to wait even longer again. No, we don't need to discuss the whys. It is what it is. As a customer you can only wait. Nothing you say or tell will change anything.

 

Plus a blue 110 and an Orient Red 103. Lufthansa Express would be cool too, we have all the stock.

 

Sorry Maik if I came across a bit harsh. It was aimed more in DTG's direction for announcing it way too early, in fact so early that it has become a bit of a running gag, and it really deserves better.
Take your time, I'm willing to wait for quality. The 420 pack still marks the top of my current TSW wishlist

 

Thanks for the response. Actually, you could leave the wrong Keks livery once done, because it could be used for charters, like the real one was for DBMuseum or the 103 is.

I understand the blue is not viable right now, but I hope for you guys doing it. I tried the editor, but due to a spinal injury and therefore inability to move the hand properly it was not possible for me.

I, too, can wait for as long as it takes. Have a great evening.

Kind regards.

 

Could have been a great route, but the screenshots look nothing like the year 2000.
I'd guess around 80% of the n-Wagen back then still were in silver or mintgreen. A train full of traffic red n-Wagen would have been a very rare sight.

Same goes for the locos, they didn't really start to paint the older locos red if not necessary until the mid of the 2000s, when many private train companies started to come up and a corporate identity became much more important.
A route in the year 2000 should show a very colourful DB. Why don't you include the mintgreen n-Wagen from LFR or at least let them substitute to have mixed trains. If you'd work with substitution, even the Mittenwaldbahn Silberlinge could work, although they'd maybe need the new DB logo.

Also, why aren't at least the 3 stations to Schwabstraße included? Come on, it's just 3 stations, with which you'd have the full route length of the S5. And the underground loop for changing directions in Schwabstraße is a really rare sight too....

I can understand if you refrain from doing whole Intercity routes with lengths of more than 100 km. But just 3 stations, this is just another lazy decision from DTG.

In this state, the route is only worth buying with a decent sale. Decent meaning 80% or more.

 

Hopefully it wont be as bad on launch as Birmingham Crewe

 

Yet another red, electric, bus stop route ( 32 miles, 15 stops ? ). I mean these German routes are all well- modeled but how many do you want?

Just like the endless UK and US commuter runs, I wish they would just go back a few years, better still a few decades, and give us some variety of traction.

I know, I know there are older diesel routes but precious few recently.

 

No mention of speed restrictions in the marketing blurb. Has the new feature been dropped for this route or was it just missed from the article?

 

Yes, DTG really need a new act now. The one trick pony is getting very tired. Not even the 420 (which reading between the lines of what Maik wrote is still eons away) could save this one. Why not something diesel like the Marshland route, the Eifelbahn or my favourite from Zusi the Obereruhrtalbahn but set back in the early to mid 80's.

 

Has someone decyphered the binary code below "S-Bahn Layer? #ExpectTheUnexpected"?

11100000 11100001 11001110
11110111 01010111 00011111

 

Not including older liveries was an open-goal miss. 2000 was clearly a year of change for DB which made for some interesting livery variety, but not including them firstly means the 2000 setting is basically meaningless, and secondly it means there isn't much different compared to other German routes. The variety in liveries would've really set this route apart.

It'd be a bit like setting a Southern Region UK route in the early 2000s and failing to include any slam-door stock.

 

Thats correct and i inlcude that as well in last part:
In addition, gaps have been left in the timetable to accommodate BR 420 services, in preparation for its release. We'll continue to update on the progress of this Add-on in future Train Sim World Roadmaps.