[fw] Rhein-niers-bahn: Duisburg - M-gladbach Discussions Thread

So since today, december 1st 25, we know a new german route is coming: The Rhein-Niers Bahn, between Duisburg and Mönchengladbach, ending in Rheydt.

This is a thread dedicated to discuss this DLC.

Here are all screenshots from today:

 

Really looking forward to this route.
For now without any new rolling stock it is at first a bit dissapointing, but looking at it being the first route from this 3rd party, it is more than acceptable for me.

 

I know absolutely nothing about this route in real life but it’s looking promising at this stage. Also good to see a return to Duisburg.

 

Can't wait, I've been on this particular one countless times while on vacation. I wonder how much is gonna be visible of sideline views and other interesting locations not explicitly mentioned so far. DB Werk Krefeld? Has to be. Is Burg Linn visible (I admit I don't remember if it is from the tracks myself)? Is the Siemens plant reachable? Are there going to be new Siemens stock delivery/ DB Maintenance one-off special services for a bit of variation (or even just as AI/static, like perhaps a Class 700)? We're likely not getting Centralbahn but perhaps some parked older stock to represent them, in whatever liveries we already have, would be better than nothing. And of course I can't wait to peek a bit over the sidelines at the station buildings that I've been seeing all this time, lol. Really excited overall.

 

Another german route, sounds nice.

 

Looks really promising from the photos and write up. What is the estimated timetable 3 to 6 months?

 

Another full priced dlc with no new units? Wait for a sale for me

 

With all these commercial branches, it's a great opportunity to introduce NEW FREIGHT WAGONS.

 

To me, it looks like any other German route. Sorry to be the Grinch.

 

Wich train we can expect on this route?

 

You may be the first person in history to say this.

 

May not be a day 1 purchase but prefer this over the Stuttgart DLC as at least here it connects to an adjoining DLC in Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr meaning Route hopping for continued services.. Also I'm ok with no new rolling stock every DLC if its new scenery/services but would expect the pricing not to reflect those that do.

 

It won't though. It'll be £29.99 as usual.

 

Very interesting route, but seeing that frankenstein, uh I mean westfrankenbahn livery again on a route where it is very out of place, bothers me a lot. DTG, please make a livery for this train without this Westfrankenbahn logo!

 

But every train will be red <sigh>.

 

Those screenshots looks promising and I hope it would be a wonderful product. Although it's a little bit shame that this route can't go all the way to Aachen Hbf , which can enable the route hopping to Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen, or maybe we can expect an extension to Aachen Hbf in TSW7 or TSW8.
The route map of Rhein-Niers-Bahn from German Wikipedia


PS: Why the Class 648 use Westfrankenbahn livery, Westfrankenbahn train should not appear North Rhine-Westphalia, hope that the Class 648 in this route wouldn't be a reuse of Class 648 from Maintalbahn DLC.

 

Why it’s Not going from Gelsenkirchen to Mönchengladbach because you already build Oberhausen to Duisburg and why is there no 1428 and 1440 available

You was always against recycled trains like on Mannheim or Leipzig Dresden

This Route is a Classic Sale Option only, No DB Stadler Flirt 3 BR 1428 and no Alstom Coradia Continental BR 1440 is a No Go, or that the two Paths from Gelsenkirchen via Essen Hbf RE42 and Oberhausen RB35 are missing

 

Probably closer to 24.99

 

It looks like this will just be a new route with excisting trains. I did not discover any new trains in the screenshots.

 

It’s a Deal Breaker to used only old trains, it makes no fun to Drive.
Zwolle Groningen has over 100 Kilometer and 2 brandnew Trains for 40€ with an amazing quality

 

I'm sick of seeing recycled stuff over and over again. Where are the German private operators with different trains and where are the DB trains which aren't currently in game.

 

Some of the OHLE looks quite shoddy in some of the promotional pictures (looks like the pantograph will never reach the catenery as it's too far to the left/right).

Looking pretty good so far.

 

You’re not the only one thinking this. I have said before, no matter how well done there’s only so many +-60km double track electrified inter urban German routes we can take and the game is already saturated with them. So while, yes, it looks good and it’s great to see a new third party on board, I can already see this being bumped to a 50% sale unless there is some sort of “light bulb” factor I’m not yet aware of. As I remarked earlier, I want something diesel, or back in the hills and mountains back to the 80’s with rancid UIC corridor coaches…

 

I've noticed that too. Generally, OHLE/catenary is hardly ever done right.
Pantographs jumping up and down, contact wire leaving the pantograph's contact shoe, failing zig-zag in long straight sections ....

Especially noticeable on these German routes since apparently they make use of the DTG provided assets and procedures, which were wrong ever from the outset.

Contact wire should be horizontally level and raised to the highest allowable limit in stations and yards under those " Quertragwerke ", while now it is the exact opposite. The " Y-Beiseil " is missing alltogether at every support.

Contact wire should zig-zag along the track's center line, and pulled towards the outside in curves so it still stays in average above the center line. You often see the wrong length hangers in compression, while they should be in tension i.e. always in pull.

All the info is avaible from Deutsche Bahn on the internet.

I do not know which tools are at a route builders disposal, some procedural tool, some AI lofting, since stringing OHLE by hand must be a very tedious job. Yet on electrified lines proper catenary greatly adds to the visual realism.

 

It’s a new dev’s first route, so I’m always willing to give that a free pass on not including a new loco or trainset in such situation. However whilst I wish them every success this route is yet another German commuter route and to some who doesn’t know the area especially well feels very similar to many other recent and older dlc already in my collection. In order for anything to be a day 1 purchase for me, it’s has to be either exceptional quality and value for money, or bringing something new to table and whilst the jury is still out this doesn’t feel that this is going to meet either criteria.

 

Already said this in SoR-article, I'm a little disappointed as it's not the route I was hoping to release (that is Köln - Düsseldorf) but it's in my area as well and a possible good starter for a new developer instead of the very busy mainline. But the WiP-pictures look very promising so I'll give this a go.
No new trains, ok, new would have been better but I can understand that the first project may be focused on the route and nothing else - if that's done well (and I expect it to be from Folezz earlier youtubes) it'll be fine for me.
And - better to have the Westfrankenbahn doing the RB34-services than leave them out.
To see something special at the AW Oppum would be really nice We will see.
Most I'm really happy to have something new of the Rhine-Ruhe-area which didn't get much love for a long time except the Köln-Aachen timetable.

 

For that matter, where are the green S-Bahn trains (as all VVRR S-Bahn trains are)?

 

Why not do a quick reskin that paints out the Westfrankenbahn lettering? It doesn't belong.
It strikes me that DTG cost-cutting is getting completely out of hand, especially when you compare the lavish amount of content that TSG, JT and ATS provide. FFS, liveries are just not that hard or time-consuming to do.

 

Indeed, DTG had already 2 times the chance to add the green version, RRO and HRR, but they didn't. I even don't know if the 422 is included or layered on the Rhein-niers-bahn.

 

Sounds like a license issue to me. Looking at the artistic features of that livery, it's not done by a DB license. Probably VRR as well as the artists. Don't think DTG just 'ignored' that this livery exists.

 

Not really. It’s a nice station which was a bit wasted with hrr because of its timetable. It’ll be good to see it with better lighting and an improved model

 

They could still make green trains with white doors and just leave off the doodles

 

By the way, I see 425s in the screenshots, with no side markings yet so likely at least those are being retouched somewhat. It has the correct model-series number spacing on the front so likely based on our latest, MKN based version, which would be great as it has working customizable PIS (to which I assume station names will be added for this DLC).

However, could a couple minor things be fixed about its PIS? The square PIS monitor in the 1st class on the train end without the toilet does not work; the square PIS monitors say "Upcoming Stops" instead of the German equivalent; the text Nicht Einsteigen is badly centered and gets cut off at the side at the interior green LED boards, and those same boards sometimes fail to display some names? Like, "Hochspeyer" gets cut to "Hochspe" if you try looking in a 425 service starting from Kaiserslautern?

 

What makes this route so special? To me, it looks like yet another German dual track eletrified line with modern plastic EMUs. What is the selling point here?

 

The Same old trains as always without anything new

 

It kinda feels like the screenshots picked for the reveal are not doing the route a good service at all.

Based on the screenshots, this looks exactly like all the other routes we already have, I could even try to guess to assign an already-existing route to each of the screenshots.

But take a look at the map of the route on openrailwaymap and you'll quickly see how huge potential this has to be amazing, especially as their reveal map suggests that many of the industries around the line will be accessible.

 

Another thing I wonder is, will it have the RE13? And what version thereof? What would be the players' opinion of possibly featuring the (yes, different model and EVU) FLIRT we already have from Luzern as RE13? Perhaps even as a substitution that the player can use but not the AI? I already have an eurobahn livery for it...
Or will it be the old 111+wagons? And if so would this latter option have the possibility of substitution through the 101 enabled (TCS as happens lately)? All cool ideas to make the traffic a bit different IMO...

 

It didn't sound that interesting to me at first, but some cab ride videos and looking at it on google maps make me think there are areas that could be very interesting:

• DB FahrzeuginstandhaltungWerk Krefeld - I don't know how easy it is for a third party to access and model the whole interior of it, but I hope the exterior will at least be fully explorable
• I hope there are some drag moves with locos hauling multiple units
• Tram tracks near Krefeld - hope you can drive on these in free roam
• Various industries - I don't know if any offer the opportunity to load/unload cargo, but if there are I hope that is included
• It would be nice to see Duisberg port, although it isn't listed on the map so I guess that isn't included

For me it will depend on how detailed the scenery is. If it has detailed industries, sidings, accessible depots, etc I think that will add a lot of interesting opportunities and I don't mind whether it comes with a new train or not.
If it is more like a standard DTG release with no real ability to explore anything other than the main line and no unique features, I personally wouldn't be that interested

 

As others have said it doesn't strike me as an exciting route and just seems like more of the same with the 425 and no new stock of any kind so I'll pass on this one for now but I wish the team the best as more third parties are always welcome. If there is more to the route than meets the eye then I could change my mind.

 

It was only a lighthearted joke about the city itself.

 

Haha would be nice to have them present I guess as they are a thing in say, the DLC Mannheim, too, but drive on them with what?
Would the ABe 8/12 manage to run with 3/4ths of its needed voltage, maybe with being DC and all?
All in good fun, of course =p Imagine going to the Krefeld Zoo with the Allegra, hah

Although I guess if they do implement them, they are technically drivable onto, but you'd need to get down there somehow.



Speaking of tram tracks, I guess over/under the under/overpass at Hochfeld Sued and Grunewald, too.

 

I suppose the only thing you can realistically use is the tram from Edinburgh - Glasgow.

 

I was mainly joking, but if you mean as AI, perhaps on the partial, dual gauge portions only, shared with the Dü-Stadtbahn, definitely not the metre gauge Krefeld tram only sections. Would work fine at the over/underpasses in Duisburg too where it is also standard gauge Stadtbahn.

 

As i stated in another thread, this route should include Duisburg Wedau and Ruhrort. If it´s set in 2019, it would make it possible to drive the "iconic" 10 minute RB 37 from Duisburg Hauptbahnhof to Duisburg Entenfang with the BR 628. The service was retired at the end of 2019.