Upcoming Release Frankenbahn: Stuttgart - Heilbronn: Coming Soon!

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  1. Godzilla

    Godzilla New Member

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    So the 420 won't be released this year? Could you perhaps talk about that? Thanks.
     
  2. lexie

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    Are the S-bahn services only be done by the BR420, or is the BR425 from Ludwigsbahn supposed to run the Stuttgart S-bahn services? There seems to be no BR423 included, so if you wan't to play S-bahn services, you have to pay more anyway.

    As I do not own the Ludwigsbahn, I'm supposed to buy this route and the BR420 when it arrives, to get some (S-bahn) trains on the route. Well I think I will pass this Stuttgart route.
     
  3. ApollonJustice

    ApollonJustice Well-Known Member

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    This is the first Highlight for me after TSW6-release!
     
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  4. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    So what locos actually come with the route.
     
  5. fpriotto520

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    111, 140, Wittenberger, Bnr, 363.
     
  6. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. But do we really need another 363 and 111.
     
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  7. pedro#1852

    pedro#1852 Well-Known Member

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    well, apparently we'll have to wait a little longer for the 420...

    but what's waiting a little longer for those who've already waited since TSW2 :D
    and btw, TSG work is always high quality, so in the end it will definitely be worth the wait
     
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  8. Kappi701

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    I think the 425 will have some regio runs, wouldn`t expect it to run S-Bahn services as we have the 423 in different versions already ingame which would be the correct train for it. But, according to wikipedia, the 423 was introduced in the Stuttgart area in the year 2000, the biggest part of S-Bahn services should be handled by the upcoming 420.
     
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  9. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    But would you rather not have them and have a really empty route and be required to pay for 2 more full routes just to get the layers?

    You choose
     
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  10. solicitr

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    Well, we really need a red DB 363. Although at least the blue one will look less out of place in 2000.
     
  11. Monder

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    We DO have a red one... that DTG somehow decided to stop using ever since making the blue and misplacing it in every modern route.
     
  12. drnicktgm#1259

    drnicktgm#1259 Well-Known Member

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    No Br218 support for the WiKo?
     
  13. Kappi701

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    Not yet, will be worked on by TSG, 218 needs an update for that one
     
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  14. frank351981

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    Honestly I will wait at least to Christmas / New Year. Thats the time for the annual steam sales. Even if the route might not get a little price reduction, I have seen over the last two years too often that new DLCs came into sales in relatively short time frames after their release.
    So if this one get a sale and I decide to get it: then win situation.
    If the route dont get a price reduction: well, ecept little few weeks I didnt have lost anything (especially if there are again some bugs)
     
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  15. jesper2805

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    I can say for sure this route this route will not in sale in about 1,5/2 weeks......
     
  16. vircom

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    When I first saw the screenshots and later during yesterday’s stream, I already had the feeling that something about Stuttgart Central Station looked “off”, even though I couldn’t immediately pinpoint what it was. Besides the already noticeable issues like the station appearing too clean, incorrect destination displays and benches that don’t match the era, there is one much more significant detail:

    The glass used in the platform canopy is currently portrayed as transparent. In reality, this glass is frosted/matte. This causes the real station to have much more subdued, diffuse lighting, making the platforms feel noticeably darker and giving the station a very distinct atmosphere.

    Because the glass is transparent in the game, the station appears far brighter and more open than it does in real life, which changes the entire visual impression and makes the building feel unfamiliar and inaccurate to those who know the location well.

    I would really appreciate it if this detail could be reviewed and ideally adjusted, as elements like this contribute a lot to authenticity and immersion – especially for such an iconic station as Stuttgart Hbf.
     
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  17. frank351981

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    I´ve noticed that instantly in the stream. The glasses looked indeed to "clean".
    And what I´ve noticed too: they didnt showed a drive INTO Stuttgart. Especially that would be interesting how they done the whole area. From the train you have some look over it. I hope we will see in the mondays preview stream.
    And I have the feeling they didnt placed the two towers (that on the "Frauenkopf" mountain, and the "Fernsehturm")
     
  18. simontreanor81

    simontreanor81 Well-Known Member

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    Did I see a G6 in the timetable? Released 2010.
     
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  19. jesper2805

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    Yeah its not ai in the route but only you as player can choose it. So if you wish you can choose it if do not like the 363
     
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  20. simontreanor81

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    Ah fair. Hopefully it doesn't appear as substitution - it'd be galling if that did considering what doesn't. This isn't the green we wanted :)
     
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  21. jesper2805

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    The G6 replace the 363 on more routes but i hope the same but im very sure Joe will know thats not a correct time period
     
  22. lexie

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    I was "surprised" about the BR423 from the Frankfurt routes or Munchen on this route. Was it really to hard to make a correct version?
     
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  23. DB628

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    Yes it’s DTG :D
    Copy and Paste is there Passion :cool:
     
  24. jesper2805

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    This 423 is filling a short gap for the 420 so its better than nothing
     
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  25. AmityBlight

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    This time I've got to jump to DTG's defense :D
    The correctest (is that a word?) S-Bahn vehicle for this route would be the BR 420. Around 2000, this one would have been responsible for most of the S-Bahn services, the 423 was in the process of being introduced. It didn't see widespread use until around 2003, if I recall correctly.

    So the 423 is more like a placeholder for the upcoming 420 in the timetable. Creating a specific livery or even a new version would be a bit pointless in this case.

    Edit: Dang Jesper, you and your quick Reply-Button-Finger :o
     
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  26. Tom Fresco

    Tom Fresco Well-Known Member

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    Yeah itd be the lowkey either the wrong s bahn 423s only came along a few years later and were introduced gradually) or no s bahn services at all unitl the 420 comes. (whenever that is)
    And s bahn trains makes up a substantial amount of traffic at the Stuttgart end, without them itd look completely empty, which would also cause outrage

    But a little DMU seems to know everything better :cool:
     
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  27. MJCKP

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