Route Stuttgart - Heilbronn Feedback Thread

PS5 Pro
The services disappear only when the Mannheim map is installed. I don't have it installed and I have about 780 services.

 

This is a conflicting mod! I have test this with no mods active and a can't see this issue.


Please, if you notice these issues, disable all your mods and check again. For me, this is a real red flag. These types of issues are 99% related to mods. To make it easier for yourself, move your mods from the DLC folder to the User Content folder in My Documents. You can rename the folder and then simply restart the game to check if the problem persists.

 

There seems to be another problem similar to the one in Frankfurt. Every time I travel from Heilbronn to Stuttgart, the game crashes completely on XBOX SX with layers activated before Stuttgart as soon as I reach the Stuttgart area! We console gamers are increasingly losing out. It would be nice if something could be optimized here!

 

Agreed. The route already is very scenic and eye-pleasing, the 420 will add a lot of flair to it

But I have to agree with some other people here that signalling seems to be rather bad.

Same happened to me at Ludwigsburg, with a service on the 425 (I can't look up the service number right now since I'm at work, but I doubt it's restricted to this particular service).
Approaching Ludwigsburg from the North, the distant signal shows Vr 0 (two ambers, expect stop). The entrance signal accordingly is Hp 0 (red, stop). But on the map it shows as green, and can be passed with PZB Befehl.
Same goes for the main signal when leaving Ludwigsburg. It showed red, but on the map it was green. So I accelerated and intended to pass it with PZB Befehl again, but about 20 meters before I passed it, it switched to Hp 1 (one green, one amber, ahead slow).

Also I did a short service on the 628, from Zuffenhausen to Feuerbach. The service consists of two 628's, which spawned at Zuffenhausen platform 12 needlessly so far back that the rearmost door wasn't even at the platform...

 

Hopefully we will get a patch today or tomorrow to sort out the minor bugs.

 

Nope. Had this too on PS5. SIFA is turned on and works but no extra point are awarded.

 

It is! The rightmost breaker switch near the floor.

 

Hey, don't be like this. They asked about it in the survey.

Today I dedicate this work of art to the DTG team. It's titled: Technical Debt.

 

Thanks to all for the feedback. Had already decided not to get this route other than in a sale due to the short length and repetitive style we already have in the game. But it does sound as if DTG have dropped the ball.

One quick question for the early purchasers - what of the 140 sounds? Are they genuinely different or just sound like the existing 110 and 111.

 

Hey,

it looks like the BR140 is not useable in formation designer.
You can select the lokomotive and there is nothing to select anymore.
Looks like the same problem with the Diesel Karlsruher Kopf.

 

The have the same Motors, only a different gearbox. So the sound the same, but there some differences in the electrical equipment that produces the electric switching sounds. Some br110 later where converted to a br139. A br140, but with a dynamic braking

 

Anyone else find on the br140 pzb override does not work. I pressed going through a shunting signal. And nothing happened all I done was come a stop. Had release pzb.

 

In the br140 cab 2 the wiper does not clear the window it moves but water remains on the windscreen. Xbox sx

 

PS5 Pro
In the BR423 the wiper does not clear the window it moves but water remains on the windscreen.

 

There are new sounds but they’re mostly internal, they sound good though

 

I'm not using any mods.I turned off liveries too.

edit: it was in the inspect the uninspected scenario

 

I have to admit that I was not sure about buying this at the beginning, but I did. I drove about 2h yesterday and overall I'm very pleased with it besides some smalller issues.

I really hope DTG will not let fall this route as it does have massive potential for future additions. What I really miss is the 420, I hope it comes fast as it would give this route a lot more variety. What I would also wish for was more skins for the rolling stock so we would have more mixed trains. Yes mods + workshop will do the Job, but I would like it out of the box.

So thank you DTG, this is a very good addition to TSW, loving the 140 and the Wiko so far (yes I know the issues with the Wiko).

 

In the first scenario, when I'm driving the control car, I only get 35 points despite the safety systems being activated. In the locomotive, I get the normal 65 points. I even took a screenshot so we're on the same page.
Im 1. Szenario, wenn ich im Steuerwagen bin und fahre, bekomme ich trotz eingeschalteten Sicherheitssysteme nur 35 Punkte. In der Lok bekomme ich den normalen 65 Punkten. Ich habe extra ein Screenshot gemacht, damit wir vom gleichen reden.

 

Another 2 crashes today both about a mile from stuttgart. DTG you gotta do something about the crashes not just on this route but all of them. It really does grate on me that you keep churning out route after route. And yet to absolutely sod all about performance.

 

All the cab cars are bugged you will only get 35ap points. Until they fix it .

 

I really like the br140 and Wittenberger Steuerwagen. But the route has some Quality issues. The loading gauge isn't properly maintained, a lot of signals hit your train and als overhead wiring runs through signals on some places. Also the industry branche towards Ludwigsburg is rushed. Performance wise it's pretty heavy near Stuttgart en the large railyard at Kornheim. Less performance than Frankfurt Hbf for example.

The screw link coupler of the br140 is to short. Also the main electric cable is super ugly, it's low poly.

 

Having played this route for a few hours now yesterday and today all I can summarise overall is that this route is a BIG disappointment on console! On Series X the blurred textures are very frequent and among the worst I've experienced, very similar to Frankfurt-Fulda. But the biggest issue as echoed elsewhere in this feedback thread is the game freezes and closes to the Xbox home screen when approaching Stuttgart.

I regret buying this DLC for the reasons above, as what's the point of playing a route where there's no guarantee services can be completed, or just enjoyed without the blurry mess. This all despite me actually liking the route and locos which is a massive shame. This game and route needs updating and optimisation as a priority.

The way TSW is continuing on console is seriously worrying and it's hard to be excited anymore for new content at this rate.

Some pics of the blurred textures:

 

After a short run along the route, I was very pleased. I didn't notice anything I'd like to improve. The only thing is that the route feels a bit lonely; I was expecting busier oncoming traffic. I expect the future BR420 to significantly enhance the route.
I'm absolutely delighted with the BR140. It was one of my most desired locomotives. I hope the AEM7 and R42 won't be long in coming.

 

WHAT? I cannot accept games from ETS2 to MSFS running perfectly fine, but TSW still being a stuttery mess!

It is not like TSW is the only game to feature large maps with a certain level of detail and AI. Performance is not good enough, and seems to get worse. This should be your #1 priority, dtg_jan, as without acceptable performance we cannot enjoy TSW. You sell, or don't sell, enjoyment.

 

Thank you for this helpful feedback.
You are right, After B2C I too can’t be excited about new route releases on console anymore either.

*puts wallet back in pocket*

 

Yes, it appears that the safety systems in the control car are faulty.
Ja, es sieht so aus, dass beim Steuerwagen die Sicherheitssysteme fehlerhaft sind.

 

PS5 Pro

I have 16/17 active layers, I don't have Ludwigsbahn (Mannheim) installed, which causes many services to disappear, I currently have 779 services + 5 Scenarios
Thanks to this, I don't have Dostos cars in the map and maybe this results in more favorable texture behavior.
I completed a ride with BR111 and n-wagen from Heilbronn to Stuttgart and then also a service with WiKo from Stuttgart to Heilbronn. When riding with Wiko, from about half way through the route, I started to notice a slight blurring of the cockpit texture when zooming in on the inside view, but only when zooming in, when I set the view to normal it evened out. The outside textures of the train were still the same even at max zoom and didn't blur ......

But it could be a coincidence, a different time session and a different traffic configuration could bring problematic situations....I'll see.

The weather was always partly cloudy.

Then I tried one service with BR423 line S4 to Stuttgart, heavy rain, again slight blurring of the cockpit and this time also the external textures on the front of the train at max zoom view, when returning to the standard view it is fine again.

So surprisingly it seems satisfactory to me so far, and it still supports my theory that Dostos trains are a major problem, here fortunately they can be deactivated and do not form the main operational item

Then of course I see the problem as what has already been said here.
1)Cab cars have only 35 points in the rating with safety systems on
2)BR423 wipers not working, or rather they wipe but the water remains on the windows
3)I haven't tried BR140 yet, so I don't have any comments there yet

 

Who knows when that will get fixed

 

Don’t hold your breath on the safety systems bug. Still broken to this day for the Vectron on Zwolle…

Really enjoying this route though, but the performance is god awful. The game keeps freezing and not responding during the shader caching hitches. Only happens on this route too.

 

Feedback – Stuttgart–Heilbronn Route DLC (PC / Steam)

• The Wittenberger cab car has very strange driving behaviour. During acceleration and braking the camera jerks heavily, almost like a constant rocking or oscillation. This is definitely not realistic. I had to disable camera sway because it was unbearable otherwise.
• The brakes on the n-Wagen are far too strong. Even at high speeds the train stops unrealistically quickly, which makes the whole driving experience feel very arcade-like. Brake application is much too fast and too powerful, and the brake release when driving from the cab car feels odd as well.
• It is a pity that the better BR 111 sound from the Mittenwaldbahn was not used, and the destination display font on the BR 111 is still much too small and visually not fitting.
• The sound on the Wittenberger Kopf and the n-Wagen is mostly inaccurate. The horn sounds wrong, the constant air hissing is excessive, and the brake squeal at low speeds is overdone. From what I heard, original audio was available, which makes it even more disappointing that it wasn’t used.
• The gangway between the Wittenberger cab car and the Doppelstockwagen is not usable, which breaks immersion.
• Several speed limits on the route are incorrectly signalled. For example, leaving Stuttgart on the opposite track and later being routed over a 60 km/h switch without any prior speed announcement. There are multiple places where speeds are missing or wrong
• It’s unfortunate that almost all n-Wagen consists are fixed at 5 coaches, and the BR 111 only appears with the single-arm pantograph. Longer or shorter formations would add much more variety. A scissors-pantograph version of the 111 would also have been great to see. It’s also disappointing that the Karlsruhe cab car is missing, as it would have added more authenticity. And on top of that, the 1st class n-Wagen is still not included, which makes the formations feel incomplete.
• A missed opportunity: the S-Bahn does not run to Schwabstraße. Having the full line would allow continuous back-and-forth operations and greatly increase replay value.

 

Sorry, but that’s not the right way to spread such misleading information without knowing the background.


The Vectron for FFM Fulda was modified by Foolezz (a third party) for the ATB update. That has nothing to do with DTG, and it’s up to him to fix it. The issue with Stuttgart–Heilbronn is entirely DTG’s responsibility, and those are two separate creators. So before you share such information, please check the background first. On your channel, it’s more of the same a lot of conclusions without any background checks. I don’t like that.

 

I didn’t say DTG developed it. I made an observation about content in the same game with the same issue. Who built/modified it is irrelevant to the player experience. But you’ve actually made my point. If it’s published under DTG’s name and sold on their store, DTG is responsible. They themselves said in one of their recent discord Q&As that they’ve been refining their third-party process “over the last few months.” So things clearly aren’t good there on either side. Draw your own conclusions about what that says about releases before that.

 

When do think will get a patch for this route.

 

So i have test this scenario and i can not see the issue.... I will bet you have some mods in the dlc or user content folder.
By any change... You are on PC steam right? Its not that you have them there and disable it via the game menu? This will not work if you have mods in the dlc folder and im not 100% if it work with the user content folder either. Best way to check is to pull them all out or rename the user content folder and load the game.

See the screen with no issues...

 

Yeah, you're right. I just tried SE19832 and was about to raise a ticket myself, then I remembered your post and checked if that's one of the services you mentioned. Was it signal A273 just short of Bietigheim-Bissingen that showed Hv0 when the HUD said it was Sh1?

 

It does come with a Karlsruher cab car as well. I did a whole run of the route on it yesterday after launch. They added announcements and even fixed the bugged end of train lights.

 

I havent used any mods since tsw6
I retried and cannot trigger it anymore.. so nevermind

 

I feel like this was visible in the preview stream.

 

OK, now I did my first service along the whole route. I picked SE 28192, with the Wittenberger cab from Stuttgart to Heilbronn for that. Current date, calm and sunny morning.
I can confirm some issues other people already raised, and found some others. But in total, I'm rather pleased. Signalling has issues, but seems not to be as bad as I originally feared.

These are my notes:

• When leaving Stuttgart, there's no signal of any kind warning you of the 60 km/h switch when changing lines after Stuttgart Nord. If you're driving without HUD, you're caught completely by surprise.
• The Wittenberger cab has the same issue that all red 111's have: The wheel slip/glide indicator is not working! How is it possible that not even hasn't this been fixed on the red 111, but also spreading to another loco/cab now? The issue can't be that difficult to remedy, on TSG's cream/blue 111 it's working just fine after all
• I agree that the Wittenberger cab is moving around a lot, makes for a very nervous drive and even triggers my motion sickness a little. The suspension should be toned down a bit.
• The speed drop from 140 down to 110 km/h just south of Ludwigsburg is not signalled either. The GPA got me and zwangsbremsed me
• Small issue: The door side selector in the Wittenberger cab doesn't give a clicking sound when snapping into place.
• Also, the Wittenberger cab lets you apply power only when the door side selector is in neutral position. I'm quite sure that shouldn't be the case, it should behave like it does on the 111 or 218 for example.
• Not a bug, more of a request: Would it be possible to add the ability to lean out of the left window in the Wittenberger cab? I frequently use this if the option is there, adds that tiny little bit of extra immersion
• Talking about immersion: The mix of older-style signs and ticket vending machines with more modern PIS boards is a bit jarring. If possible, could the PIS boards be replaced with more accurate older ones?
• Overall, the route scenery is very well done! Amazing amount of detail and very nice to look at. Haven't noticed any environmental issues yet, but I was focused on driving mostly. I can imagine why people with weaker graphics cards or consoles do struggle with it, though

Next up is a return journey using the 111, let's see if I can spot anything else.