Route Stuttgart - Heilbronn Feedback Thread

Has anyone seen any AI appear from the Gaubahn? Wondering if its something i've got installed conflicting as i've not seen any 1116s.

 

I have not seen any either

 

Here are my notes about my short trip with DGS 69190, using the 140:

• The loco looks amazing, inside and out Although I agree that the electric connector cables on both ends are very low-poly, it actually sticks out like a sore thumb. Once you see it, you can't un-see it.
• I can not confirm the aforementioned open-door-bug... works fine for me. The issue could be mod-related after all.
• On a positive note, I love the little touch of the driver's chair moving slightly when the right door is being opened/closed! Those are the small touches which make a big difference for me
• I can also not confirm the wipers working correctly. Although the wiping effect and the movement of the wiper seem to be slightly out of sync, at least in cab #2.
• When reducing the brighntess of the EBuLa screen, I can't get rid of the small "Helligkeit" window afterwards. Plus, the screen is very bright even on the lowest setting. I turned the screen off to preserve my eyesight a little longer
• The sounds of the 140 are very nice, I think I prefer them over the ones from the 110. They could be a little bit louder though. The 110 sounds much noisier in comparison.

Edit: I also have to agree with some people here that the big freight yards like Kornwestheim look really, really empty. A couple of decorative stationary trains would have gone a long way...

 

Yeah thats correct and it runs a strange way.... You go to the right and then returned again on the same track as you came from....

 

This was fixed finally for the 218 and Diesel Kako and the 140 yesterday. It needs time to get out of course.

 

Maik i have noticed a bug in the BR111 on Frankfurt Fulda with the WiKo... When you use the dynamic brake the bremskraftanzeiger shows that i will give power.... So it turns to the right instead of left. Can you check that please? Or is that fixed already? I looks like the BR111 is not correct in the information that is send to the cabcar. Thanks

 

Is that the 111 from Stuttgart or a different one. Only the Stuttgart one is 100% compatible to the WiKo yet. The others need updates to work properly. If its the Stuttgart one then she is coupled with cab 2 to the train and that might be the problem. Can be fixed i think.

 

I have no clue which one is used on Frankfurt Fulda 111 gameplay pack

 

Definitely not the Stuttgart one because it wasn't there at that time the pack came out. So that is then the problem. She is sending wrong data to the Wiko.

 

XBOX Series X.

Same for me approaching Stuttgart. No warning, just crashed. There was no video memory fail popup.

 

In S-Zuffenhausen at track 5 towards Stuttgart there seems to be a 1000 Hz PZB magnet instead of a 500 Hz. I had red light at the Asig and at this point I was forced to brake. I had around 40 km/h, low enough for a working 500 Hz magnet. So I think the 1000 Hz kicked in, because I of course did not press PZB.

 

On the 140, in both cabs' back walls there's this panel, labelled "Sifa" and "Indusi". But the switches aren't related to the labels at all. The left ones aren't for Sifa, but rather PZB mode and panto selection. Same on the right, the switch isn't for Indusi, but is the brake mode selector.

 

AmityBlight, The brightness option on the ebula screen of the br140 closes after a short amount of time. But normally you should close it with a button.

 

Stuttgart-Heilbronn is basically right at my front door, so I had to get that DLC, despite the fact that I am not really a big fan of anything pre-2010s I can definitely recognize the Frankenbahn, especially between Lauffen and Stuttgart. I absolutely love the fact that I am finally able to blast along my home route and I do enjoy myself
However, as I am also actively working along that infrastructure on a daily basis, I managed to also recognize some... mistakes.
Note that I won't mention all the bugs in signaling and speed restrictions or floating objects around the Stuttgart area. I think those were mentioned enough.

• Lauffen(Neckar): The new station building and the city administration office are correctly present, as they were completed by the year 2000. However, the extension for the bakery on Platform 1 was not there at that time. Furthermore there are elevators there which, in reality, were only installed in 2022. The underpass was already completed in 1999. At the same time, the platform signs were also replaced and were henceforth blue, just as we know them from today. Also in mid 1999, extensive changes were already carried out on the interlocking itself. As a result of which the additional shunting tracks in the western part of the station were already closed and partially even dismantled by 2000. You could say that from an infrastructure perspective, the station reflects the period around 1998 and 1999, but visually it is a mix of 1999, 2000 and up to 2022.

• Nordheim(Württ): Seems to be realistic. What bothers me however, is the bicycle path that runs all the way to Heilbronn, which suddenly seems to be the Autobahn Jokes aside, actually strange is: The vegetation between Nordheim and Heilbronn is completely out of place. It feels like you're driving through a forest. In reality however, it's mostly just open fields with high visibility and some gardens on the right hand side coming in from Stuttgart, at least until you reach the more urban area around Heilbronn Gbf. This was the case even back in the 90s and 2000s. Performance reasons were my guess, however I noticed that fields and gardens are actually present behind all those trees and bushes. So why did they decide to cover it up in masses?

• Heilbronn Hbf + Gbf: The path finding system from the freight yard to Stuttgart seems to be weird. It takes paths which are not really in use for actively running trains on a timetable. Heilbronn Gbf itself misses a lot of Buildings, ramps and even tracks and switches along the 'Strahlengleise' (400, 420 and so on). Next to track 40/41, there is no lighting along the adjacent small garden path, but there is a barrier in the form of a guardrail. The building for the ESTW extension is also present at the Heilbronn interlocking tower, which did not exist before 2005.
  
  Right in front of the signal box Hk next to track 500, there should actually be a tall standing shunting signal named '500'. I wasn't sure if it was existing at that time, but i found a picture and Data from 1992 and 1998 with just that signal. In the game, this is shown as a small one without any ID (SIGID).
  
  In the eastern part of the station, there are a lot of dwarf signals missing, wrongly placed or also missing any form of ID. You also can't really drive out there, as you will be stuck behind invisible walls. What also caught my eye is the extension of Track 1 right in front of N1, leading to another SIGID dwarf signal. According to my researches, this siding was already closed by the end of the year of 2000 and partially even built over. In between the area of track 10 to 17, there are multiple buildings missing. And to be completely precise: due to the fact that the old former bus station exists in its extended version next to siding 850, we are technically looking at a construction state after the year of 2000 with missing additional infrastructure, but also before summer 2000 (due to well... missing infrastructure and the fact that the parking lot is still there). Schrödinger's Station :p
  
  Oh and also: No elevators in the year of 2000 in Heilbronn.

• Br 294: For some reason, my game starts stuttering after driving the br 294 for more than 20 Minutes. I don't know why. Only happens on this route and only with the br 294.

I know these are minor details and for many players they are not even worth mentioning, precisely because these are mostly 'just' visual or logical things that primarily only stand out if you are familiar with the area. However, I believe it is important to adhere to a certain degree of realism, especially when marketing your product as a realistic simulation. And this includes not mixing different years and conditions that do not match with each other. Just imagine how many inconsistencies and absurdities there might be between Lauffen and Stuttgart (and I did not even start talking about the swarm of floating Insulators in Kornwestheim). Ultimately, you are spending a lot of money on a product like this and at the end of the day it's less about whether the platform signs are white or blue, but if the infrastructure is complete and according to that time of the year.

In my opinion, the DLC should have been set entirely in the year of 2019 or onwards, especially since this would also offer more opportunities for scenarios, timetables and less unused infrastructure, for which current and realistic data sets could be used.

 

My game crashes a lot around Stuttgart.

I'm a PS5 player and reporter multiple crashes via Sony already

 

Those switches are not prototypical, the labels are. But we need them switches somewhere to control those things. It's not ideal though.

 

The age-old story continues...
Preparation for SE 19118, bringing the train from the yard to Stuttgart Hbf. When starting at the yard, the train is already filled with passengers.


Is it really so difficult to prevent this, that almost every new route suffers from it? And why does it work fine on a small number of (mostly pre-TSW4) routes, like Bremen-Oldenburg?

 

Hardcore Trainfans?

Not of any comfort, but the pictures below are from NTP and TSW3 (depot night for train buffs on those cozy Class 101 seats) In exchange, the NTP stations are in complete lock down.



Anyway, to all the early beta-testers of this route: My wallet sends greetings and Great Many Thanks for keeping it closed!

And I really wanted that BR 140 ...

 

Pipe that's zombie apocalypse at its finest

While I was sitting in my SE 19118, patiently waiting for scheduled departure and listening to the rain outside at Stuttgart, and noticed something peculiar.
At Stuttgart Hbf, trains don't get wet when it rains, despite the roof being open above the tracks
This seems to affect all types of trains, at least the 425, 111, n-Wagen and Wittenberger cab.


The rain doesn't come across well on the pictures, but I assure you, it was raining quite intensely. When leaving the platform hall, the train got wet normally.

Also, I arrived at Ludwigsburg 5 minutes late because I was held up behind SE 28162, which in turn had to wait for DGS 69412 at the entrance signal of Ludwigsburg. I wouldn't call it an outright bug, but the signaller might check their priorities

 

Understood

 

PS5 Pro
I don't see BR294 or Karlsruhe Cab Car in service at all, only Wiko and BR 363.
You can only choose them for your own service...

 

What bothers me about the route and the trains is the following.

Why can't they manage to set all the signals correctly and ensure that all signals work as they should?

We have already experienced this on several German routes, and now the same thing has been poorly implemented again on a new route.
Is it so difficult to install the signals so that they are in the correct position and actually function normally?

About the BR 140!
Do you actually test your new locomotives in the game?

Because regardless of whether a freight car is coupled to the BR 140 or a second BR 140, the screw coupling just doesn't really fit.

In my opinion, this has simply not been designed properly.
The heating cable on the BR 140 also causes a lot of damage, because the part is really low-poly rubbish.
When you build a locomotive like this, do you have such a poor idea of what it should look like?

 

This cable exists since Bremen br110 is released. Same with the cable of the Br112 of Hamburg Lübeck dlc, not worth fixing, reason why I won't play with the br112. Also the br114 airhoses are wrongly placed. Probably impossible to fix, it's probably easier to send a rocket to Mars then fixing bugs. Hahaha

 

It's looking this since yesterday on the 140 (111 might follow). So it is fixed but not yet released of course.

 

I think that one is supposed to be an ICE T, not a 1116, the 1116 should be an EC that goes between Frankfurt and Austria, but I could be wrong.

 

Just adding that there's also been reports of other locos including at least the Salzburg 111 accelerating by themselves with the wiko, probably same general problem.

On a different note: will the 35 intead of 65 AP problem be fixed for this cabcar too? Or will it join the list of stock where that doesn't work

 

As said, those other 111s are not compatible to the WiKo, only the Stuttgart one is.

There should be no UIC cable between two 140s. I need to find a way to close the socket covers when two locos are coupled and no n-Wagen to the loco, but that's not that easy.

 

Gotta retract this statement, the speed drop is in fact being signalled correctly. I must have missed the sign last time (it's rather high up mounted on a signal mast), but this time I noticed it.
Sorry, my bad!

By the way, nice to see some acknowledgement and response here! Good to know the issues are being seen and worked on