Route Stuttgart - Heilbronn Feedback Thread

Has anyone seen any AI appear from the Gaubahn? Wondering if its something i've got installed conflicting as i've not seen any 1116s.

 

I have not seen any either

 

Here are my notes about my short trip with DGS 69190, using the 140:

• The loco looks amazing, inside and out Although I agree that the electric connector cables on both ends are very low-poly, it actually sticks out like a sore thumb. Once you see it, you can't un-see it.
• I can not confirm the aforementioned open-door-bug... works fine for me. The issue could be mod-related after all.
• On a positive note, I love the little touch of the driver's chair moving slightly when the right door is being opened/closed! Those are the small touches which make a big difference for me
• I can also not confirm the wipers working correctly. Although the wiping effect and the movement of the wiper seem to be slightly out of sync, at least in cab #2.
• When reducing the brighntess of the EBuLa screen, I can't get rid of the small "Helligkeit" window afterwards. Plus, the screen is very bright even on the lowest setting. I turned the screen off to preserve my eyesight a little longer
• The sounds of the 140 are very nice, I think I prefer them over the ones from the 110. They could be a little bit louder though. The 110 sounds much noisier in comparison.

Edit: I also have to agree with some people here that the big freight yards like Kornwestheim look really, really empty. A couple of decorative stationary trains would have gone a long way...

 

Yeah thats correct and it runs a strange way.... You go to the right and then returned again on the same track as you came from....

 

This was fixed finally for the 218 and Diesel Kako and the 140 yesterday. It needs time to get out of course.

 

Maik i have noticed a bug in the BR111 on Frankfurt Fulda with the WiKo... When you use the dynamic brake the bremskraftanzeiger shows that i will give power.... So it turns to the right instead of left. Can you check that please? Or is that fixed already? I looks like the BR111 is not correct in the information that is send to the cabcar. Thanks

 

Is that the 111 from Stuttgart or a different one. Only the Stuttgart one is 100% compatible to the WiKo yet. The others need updates to work properly. If its the Stuttgart one then she is coupled with cab 2 to the train and that might be the problem. Can be fixed i think.

 

I have no clue which one is used on Frankfurt Fulda 111 gameplay pack

 

Definitely not the Stuttgart one because it wasn't there at that time the pack came out. So that is then the problem. She is sending wrong data to the Wiko.

 

XBOX Series X.

Same for me approaching Stuttgart. No warning, just crashed. There was no video memory fail popup.

 

In S-Zuffenhausen at track 5 towards Stuttgart there seems to be a 1000 Hz PZB magnet instead of a 500 Hz. I had red light at the Asig and at this point I was forced to brake. I had around 40 km/h, low enough for a working 500 Hz magnet. So I think the 1000 Hz kicked in, because I of course did not press PZB.

 

On the 140, in both cabs' back walls there's this panel, labelled "Sifa" and "Indusi". But the switches aren't related to the labels at all. The left ones aren't for Sifa, but rather PZB mode and panto selection. Same on the right, the switch isn't for Indusi, but is the brake mode selector.

 

AmityBlight, The brightness option on the ebula screen of the br140 closes after a short amount of time. But normally you should close it with a button.

 

Stuttgart-Heilbronn is basically right at my front door, so I had to get that DLC, despite the fact that I am not really a big fan of anything pre-2010s I can definitely recognize the Frankenbahn, especially between Lauffen and Stuttgart. I absolutely love the fact that I am finally able to blast along my home route and I do enjoy myself
However, as I am also actively working along that infrastructure on a daily basis, I managed to also recognize some... mistakes.
Note that I won't mention all the bugs in signaling and speed restrictions or floating objects around the Stuttgart area. I think those were mentioned enough.

• Lauffen(Neckar): The new station building and the city administration office are correctly present, as they were completed by the year 2000. However, the extension for the bakery on Platform 1 was not there at that time. Furthermore there are elevators there which, in reality, were only installed in 2022. The underpass was already completed in 1999. At the same time, the platform signs were also replaced and were henceforth blue, just as we know them from today. Also in mid 1999, extensive changes were already carried out on the interlocking itself. As a result of which the additional shunting tracks in the western part of the station were already closed and partially even dismantled by 2000. You could say that from an infrastructure perspective, the station reflects the period around 1998 and 1999, but visually it is a mix of 1999, 2000 and up to 2022.

• Nordheim(Württ): Seems to be realistic. What bothers me however, is the bicycle path that runs all the way to Heilbronn, which suddenly seems to be the Autobahn Jokes aside, actually strange is: The vegetation between Nordheim and Heilbronn is completely out of place. It feels like you're driving through a forest. In reality however, it's mostly just open fields with high visibility and some gardens on the right hand side coming in from Stuttgart, at least until you reach the more urban area around Heilbronn Gbf. This was the case even back in the 90s and 2000s. Performance reasons were my guess, however I noticed that fields and gardens are actually present behind all those trees and bushes. So why did they decide to cover it up in masses?

• Heilbronn Hbf + Gbf: The path finding system from the freight yard to Stuttgart seems to be weird. It takes paths which are not really in use for actively running trains on a timetable. Heilbronn Gbf itself misses a lot of Buildings, ramps and even tracks and switches along the 'Strahlengleise' (400, 420 and so on). Next to track 40/41, there is no lighting along the adjacent small garden path, but there is a barrier in the form of a guardrail. The building for the ESTW extension is also present at the Heilbronn interlocking tower, which did not exist before 2005.
  
  Right in front of the signal box Hk next to track 500, there should actually be a tall standing shunting signal named '500'. I wasn't sure if it was existing at that time, but i found a picture and Data from 1992 and 1998 with just that signal. In the game, this is shown as a small one without any ID (SIGID).
  
  In the eastern part of the station, there are a lot of dwarf signals missing, wrongly placed or also missing any form of ID. You also can't really drive out there, as you will be stuck behind invisible walls. What also caught my eye is the extension of Track 1 right in front of N1, leading to another SIGID dwarf signal. According to my researches, this siding was already closed by the end of the year of 2000 and partially even built over. In between the area of track 10 to 17, there are multiple buildings missing. And to be completely precise: due to the fact that the old former bus station exists in its extended version next to siding 850, we are technically looking at a construction state after the year of 2000 with missing additional infrastructure, but also before summer 2000 (due to well... missing infrastructure and the fact that the parking lot is still there). Schrödinger's Station :p
  
  Oh and also: No elevators in the year of 2000 in Heilbronn.

• Br 294: For some reason, my game starts stuttering after driving the br 294 for more than 20 Minutes. I don't know why. Only happens on this route and only with the br 294.

I know these are minor details and for many players they are not even worth mentioning, precisely because these are mostly 'just' visual or logical things that primarily only stand out if you are familiar with the area. However, I believe it is important to adhere to a certain degree of realism, especially when marketing your product as a realistic simulation. And this includes not mixing different years and conditions that do not match with each other. Just imagine how many inconsistencies and absurdities there might be between Lauffen and Stuttgart (and I did not even start talking about the swarm of floating Insulators in Kornwestheim). Ultimately, you are spending a lot of money on a product like this and at the end of the day it's less about whether the platform signs are white or blue, but if the infrastructure is complete and according to that time of the year.

In my opinion, the DLC should have been set entirely in the year of 2019 or onwards, especially since this would also offer more opportunities for scenarios, timetables and less unused infrastructure, for which current and realistic data sets could be used.

 

My game crashes a lot around Stuttgart.

I'm a PS5 player and reporter multiple crashes via Sony already

 

Those switches are not prototypical, the labels are. But we need them switches somewhere to control those things. It's not ideal though.

 

The age-old story continues...
Preparation for SE 19118, bringing the train from the yard to Stuttgart Hbf. When starting at the yard, the train is already filled with passengers.


Is it really so difficult to prevent this, that almost every new route suffers from it? And why does it work fine on a small number of (mostly pre-TSW4) routes, like Bremen-Oldenburg?

 

Hardcore Trainfans?

Not of any comfort, but the pictures below are from NTP and TSW3 (depot night for train buffs on those cozy Class 101 seats) In exchange, the NTP stations are in complete lock down.



Anyway, to all the early beta-testers of this route: My wallet sends greetings and Great Many Thanks for keeping it closed!

And I really wanted that BR 140 ...

 

Pipe that's zombie apocalypse at its finest

While I was sitting in my SE 19118, patiently waiting for scheduled departure and listening to the rain outside at Stuttgart, and noticed something peculiar.
At Stuttgart Hbf, trains don't get wet when it rains, despite the roof being open above the tracks
This seems to affect all types of trains, at least the 425, 111, n-Wagen and Wittenberger cab.


The rain doesn't come across well on the pictures, but I assure you, it was raining quite intensely. When leaving the platform hall, the train got wet normally.

Also, I arrived at Ludwigsburg 5 minutes late because I was held up behind SE 28162, which in turn had to wait for DGS 69412 at the entrance signal of Ludwigsburg. I wouldn't call it an outright bug, but the signaller might check their priorities

 

Understood

 

PS5 Pro
I don't see BR294 or Karlsruhe Cab Car in service at all, only Wiko and BR 363.
You can only choose them for your own service...

 

What bothers me about the route and the trains is the following.

Why can't they manage to set all the signals correctly and ensure that all signals work as they should?

We have already experienced this on several German routes, and now the same thing has been poorly implemented again on a new route.
Is it so difficult to install the signals so that they are in the correct position and actually function normally?

About the BR 140!
Do you actually test your new locomotives in the game?

Because regardless of whether a freight car is coupled to the BR 140 or a second BR 140, the screw coupling just doesn't really fit.

In my opinion, this has simply not been designed properly.
The heating cable on the BR 140 also causes a lot of damage, because the part is really low-poly rubbish.
When you build a locomotive like this, do you have such a poor idea of what it should look like?

 

This cable exists since Bremen br110 is released. Same with the cable of the Br112 of Hamburg Lübeck dlc, not worth fixing, reason why I won't play with the br112. Also the br114 airhoses are wrongly placed. Probably impossible to fix, it's probably easier to send a rocket to Mars then fixing bugs. Hahaha

 

It's looking this since yesterday on the 140 (111 might follow). So it is fixed but not yet released of course.

 

I think that one is supposed to be an ICE T, not a 1116, the 1116 should be an EC that goes between Frankfurt and Austria, but I could be wrong.

 

Just adding that there's also been reports of other locos including at least the Salzburg 111 accelerating by themselves with the wiko, probably same general problem.

On a different note: will the 35 intead of 65 AP problem be fixed for this cabcar too? Or will it join the list of stock where that doesn't work

 

As said, those other 111s are not compatible to the WiKo, only the Stuttgart one is.

There should be no UIC cable between two 140s. I need to find a way to close the socket covers when two locos are coupled and no n-Wagen to the loco, but that's not that easy.

 

Gotta retract this statement, the speed drop is in fact being signalled correctly. I must have missed the sign last time (it's rather high up mounted on a signal mast), but this time I noticed it.
Sorry, my bad!

By the way, nice to see some acknowledgement and response here! Good to know the issues are being seen and worked on

 

On PC - Noticed the umlaut in Wurzburg is causing the 111's destination box to shorten itself to just 'W' instead of Wurzburg Hbf.

 

Decided to give this a try only to find I couldn't get any levers to move with a Raildriver (or to be more precise, a TSCX using the TSW Raildriver and Joystick Interface). Some of the button presses worked. That will be a quick refund for me, I'm not interested in routes that don't support Raildriver.

 

Good morning,

on Series X the game crashes when arriving Stuttgart in a night service with the 111, all layers on. About 2 km away from the station the game stucks, runs again and then crashes.

And there is a problem with the BR 415:
I am testing it at the moment on Dresden Leipzig and after some time of driving it feels like the brakes are stuck: On idle the train looses too much speed and accelerates very bad again.

Sorry I Never write anything about how bad the game got and how poorly quality controls are. There's also something wrong with the train number, but for me I can live with this.

And I also understand that this kind of game programming and adding new stuff makes things more difficult. But this game gets a bigger mess than even MSFS 2024 and at least on Series X, the game gets more and more unplayable.
Sorry

 

Because feedback doesn't necessarily have to be negative:

The little shunting services, mostly at Stuttgart and Kornwestheim, seem to work very well and add a lot of fun to the route!
I did one or two with the 218, 110, 363 and 294 each, all worked well without any problems

This is something that's sorely lacking on most other routes. Would love to see it more often in the future!

 

This thread is really helpful!

Has anyone encountered green signals that need PZB ACK? Would be a reason for me to keep holding off doing a purchase (before patch anyway) ...

 

I haven't found any yet. The signalling overall is not as bad as I originally thought, the worst offender in this regard seem to be the services with the 425, especially in and around Ludwigsburg. Any other services I did went by with hardly any signalling issues

 

There are some switches between Heilbron Station and the freightyard that don't look good. There is also some vertical elivation.

 

Hi dtg_jan is there likely to be a patch/update for this route this side of Christmas to resolve the problems. Thanks and you have a happy Christmas.

 

TSG cant handle performance quality since Garnich on xbox... Shame.

 

All signs in Kirchheim say Kircheim instead

 

@Maik Goltz
I think I read somewhere that this problem also exists with the DB BR 101 “Expert Lok” and in the control car.

Could you please fix this, Maik?
Because driving with the Raildriver or the TSC-X controller helps you to really immerse yourself in the experience.

In a post about a locomotive, I read how another user or even modder had written that this error was very easy to fix, and that it was therefore a shame that this problem still existed in older locomotives.

 

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned about the 140 is that it basically seems impossible to blow out the Hauptschalter by applying too much power like on the 110, in fact the only limit on how much power you can apply from a standstill seems to be the wheelslip protection system.
To what extent is this realistic?

 

It has another step switch transformer then the earlier models of the Einheits locomotives. There are morde differences in the series, headlights, bufferbeam, window heating, possibilty for coupling to locomotives.

Die Bundesbahnzeit - Baureihe 139, 140

 

Since the loco has a different and freight optimised gear ratio it tends to slip quite fast and before you trip the MCB. As a driver you have to observce the gauges and look for that behaviour to manually prevent it with using the slip protection switch what basically applies about 1BAR pressure to the brake cylinders and at the same time reduce the taps to power down. You have to drive that thing carefully and with patience. I have seen videos on the new route where people have huge problems going up the hills with the heavy trains. But that's all down to not knowing how to drive that loco properly.

 

I was mostly trying to stress test the locomotive and was simply surprised that I simply wasn't able to trip the MCB, which felt very weird with how easy it is on the 110, but I guess it makes sense with the different gear ratio.

 

Maik Goltz
Sorry to tag you, but it seems like you're involved in development of BR140.
Maybe I'm wrong, but there seems to be a problem with emergency brake applications, which I haven't seen mentioned on the forums. It might be already known, but I figured it'd make sense to let you know just in case.

Basically, right now on BR140 during emergency brake applications (both PZB-Zwangsbremsung and manually induced by driver putting a brake handle to emergency position) Main Reservoir seems to be connected to Brake Pipe, and thus to the outside, which causes MR to lose pressure at very high rate. It's probably correct with PZB-Zwangsbremsung while the brake handle stays running position, but it definitely shouldn't be happening with handle in emergency.

At the moment getting zwangsbremsunged at speed of 80 kph will drop MR pressure to 4 Bar and below by the time you stop and cancel PZB, which means 10 minutes of waiting before compressor can get both MR and BP back up to their normal pressures. You can stop MR draining by putting brake handle into off or any of the service braking positions, but if you put it into emergency (as you should), MR will start losing pressure again. And you would also lose MR pressure, if you just move handle into emergency without PZB-Zwangsbremsung.

 

I've noticed that that Heilbronn track 851 don’t have OHLE. Bit of a problem with service 68203/68268, that end and start with a single 140 loco. I don’t know if there are other services.

Also did a small test with the 218 and WiKo. I was able to get traction, but couldn’t turn train power on/off, or start/stop the engine.
But the door control works fine

 

In the Wittenberger cab:
Is the OHLE voltage indicator supposed to do this?
When I don't apply traction power, the indicator is at around 15 kV. When I do apply some, the indicator goes down to 0 first, and then starts to rise corresponding to the "gear" step I'm in. On full throttle (with a 111 pushing that's step 27), the indicator is close to the 20 kV maximum.
This is at step 11:


Edit: This happens both on Stuttgart-Heilbronn with the new 111 at the back, as well as Frankfurt-Fulda with the 111 from that route attached.