Upcoming Release Stuttgart - Heilbronn: Release Date & Timetable Info

Can anyone tell me, how this route and time period was researched?

Why are the Mint n-Wagen from Linke Rheinstrecke not include, whereas the Intercity coaches are?
Why is the "DB Regio" sticker still applied, when a few people told they came in 2009?
Why are important locos of the time such as the 103 omitted?
When it is so easy and uncomplicated to create paints, why no S-Bahn Stuttgart 423?

Please dear Teams at DTG and TSG, why didn't you look into what portfolio you have and look into YouTube where there are videos from that era displaying nicely how colorful German trains were in 2000?

I really regret to tell this, but under this circumstances the route could've been set in 2009 and it would've been correct and under this circumstances I won't buy the product until a sales. I'm very sorry having had to write this, but it is sad....very sad....albeit the route looking marvellous.

Kind regards.

 

Whilst it's a great thing you're finally warning players about the blurry textures (mainly for consoles no doubt), it's still poor to release new, full priced content before fixing the issue.

 

Why you keep asking this question over and over? Its for me very obvious they are not willing to answer or change it! No hate but its what you get what you have seen on the preview stream tonight.

 

I mean they're not gonna say it's unrealistic on stream are they?

 

Yeah wiko sounds are not that good and 1:1 reused from the Kako. Its not terribly off (like the silent dostos) but not perfect either.

At least the 140 didnt get a completely copied 110 soundset but some refreshing new sounds

 

Yeah and its difficult to get them. There are some operators they have them in service but they have no replacement stock to let DTG obtain sounds from. Most of them are small companies.

 

Oh come on, TRI (for example) is no longer a really small company. And I imagine they would be quite cooperative. But DTG simply taken the easy way out again.

And by the way:

With the Class 140, it was possible to record new, original sounds, and lo and behold, the big Deutsche Bahn doesn't even run those locomotives in scheduled service anymore (except perhaps in the DB Museum). I would almost say that getting hold of current sounds of a 140 would be more difficult than getting hold of those of a Wittenberger control car.

 

If I may suggest to the developers regardless of what country to reach out to the community when their project is in an early stage. Then such things can be avoided and the community can assist with photos, maps, texts or whatever. Please consider it.

Kind regards.

 

They have a large group of users and can bring in a lot of ideas, but the real question is: money, time, and whether they are willing to do it. It’s not as simple as doing everything the community asks for. There are certainly more limitations than possibilities.

I respond to youre private message in which I pointed out that the German community simply doesn’t have realistic expectations and, unfortunately, is often quite demanding. It’s not that I’m a DTG fanboy, but I think I understand a bit better that not everything is possible. There are boundaries and choices that aren’t made overnight but have to be taken in order to keep budgets under control. I believe many developers at DTG would love to implement everything, but at the end of the day money is needed, because those same people also need to be paid. Maybe that sounds childish, but I can’t keep asking the baker to change the bread either at some point the baker says: “No! We decide what’s possible, not you as the customer. If you don’t like it, that’s your problem.

 

I have meanwhile looked into the TSC Discord, and Joe, the creator of the timetable, has confirmed there that there is absolutely no possibility to mix the coaches from other routes with those of the route itself. As soon as you do that, the game crashes due to the absence of new features such as conductor mode and the differences between trains caused by changes made in newer versions of the n-wagons. The n-wagons from the Mittenwaldbahn also won’t work because there is an issue with how substitution functions, and Maik is not available to adjust this for use on the Stuttgart–Heilbronn route. Therefore, the discussion about different n-wagons can be definitively closed.

 

what a well designed game

 

Ah, very informative, thanks!

It's a shame that the Mittenwald n-Wagen don't work, since they are already set up for conductor mode. But they are a completely different build compared to the other n-Wagen, so I can get behind the reasoning.

What's sad is that this could have been the perfect opportunity to overhaul the old n-Wagen, in particular the mint ones. They would have needed it anyway (there's still this headlights bug on the cab car, for example). And in return, both Linke Rheinstrecke timetables would have profited from it in terms of conductor mode.

That's where this policy of releasing routes bundled with rolling stock comes around to bite itself in the backside.

 

Sound not as a route for me
But it's nice for other players

 

You always seem to hear that the most sensible things can't be done for this or that reason. That's really a shame and shows what a wildly programmed mess TSW is. And there are no efforts to escape the chaos.

 

Question: When I download and install a mint green livery for the special n-Wagen which is used on the new route, will it appear randomly on KI trains? I think yes
So we only need the livery for This type of n-Wagen

 

Then BOO! to DTG for not doing the work, or making alternate liveries for the new coaches. Although perhaps not as glaring as not even painting out "Westfrankenbahn"

 

Do the 423 services require Frankfurt S-Bahn, or does the unit from Frankfurt-Fulda appear if you have that instead?

 

Frankfurt S bahn

 

Two months since release and still no news on the missing services for the PS5.

 

In my case it's very simple: much as I have been pleading for a BR 140 for ages, I'm not buying this route with its absurdly anachronistic liveries. Maybe once it goes on sale, and the modding community comes up with a comprehensive repaint pak like they did for Bremen.

 

what kinda puts me off is the time period... I will rather wait some time and get a route with Stuttgart 21 and its sprawl of modern tunnels and modern rolling stock of course

 

To each is own. For me the time period is the main appeal of this route- modern DB is boring.

 

Then why not just make a new mintling livery for the included coaches? Liveries just aren't that hard or time-consuming.

 

You’re asking me that? I think you’d better ask DTG, but I already know what the answer will be…

 

If we really want to be fussy, we should demand orange Citybahn versions as well... Might as well, the odds are no worse than getting any other correctlivery

 

For what solicitr ? There's no route it could be used on. Maybe you were not actively attentive in the early 2000s, but that time was very colourful. If I wrote an essay about Schiller and left his story out in favour of Platon, it would be as wrong as a route in the year 2000 with rolling stock from 2006.

Kind regards.

 

Well, that was a cynical joke. Oddly, though, red n-wagen at least existed in 2000, though of course would not have been numerous. The specific model DTG uses is the Bnr 451.4, and those conversions were done between 1996 and 2007, so red is correct (and making them mint green on LFR is wrong; the model didn’t exist yet and was never green). But they would have been only a small percentage of the Silberlinge operating in 2000.

Much worse is the Westfrankenbahn 642; the Westfrankenbahn wasn’t formed until 2006, never ran in Stuttgart*, and even after 2006 used 628s for its first several years. 642s have never run in Stuttgart, right down to the present day.* And of course the “third-gen”Dostos, and the Regiobahn markings, and above all the sea of Verkehrsrot

*In modern times, the RE80 from Schwabisch Hall terminates at Heilbronn