Why Is Dtg Focusing On Wcml? It Has Forgotten About Ecml And Mml.

with JT (and i've said this before in other posts) i'm surprised they haven't past on there research material for their MML stuff from MML TSC to skyhook. surely that would give them a good base of research to carry on in a way that JT did in TSC.

 

Ok let me summarize.
a) you are guessing
b) you are guessing
c) not at all the argument, but thanks for playing
d) proof?
e) again, not the argument at all
f) proven incorrect by the latest response on US freight in particular
g) that's not DTG, that was TSG. Different company.
h) Asking for steam had an effect on TSG yes. Who were not likely to do a UK or US train because they only do German content.

 

Shame we dont have a larger part of the MML, I keep going back to this in TSC, the JT version plus all the extensions combined are amazing! This is why I dont get to fussed on what TSW releases we get, as I know I still have TSC to fall back on with the coverage available in the UK (unfortunately my wallet suffered getting it to its current state along with the level of detail visually lol!)

 

Thats like Ferrari giving Renault their award winning engine specs in formula 1. That ain't going to happen.

 

Wouldn't call Ferrari award winning! lol.. Mercedes are and they're giving Alpine (Renault) theirs lol

 

it would be if JTs prime route builders went over to skyhook to get them build the route for them, but nothing like it if they share reference material they have lying around from 8 years ago that they used to build the route in TSC to assist skyhook in expanding the TSW route. i mean is not like they are in direct competition are they, JTs focus is on north west 1980s, skyhook are on modern MML or have made a start there.

 

They are in competition.
They both do the same thing in the same industry and there are only so many popular rails in the UK to do routes from.
People have asked before "Should I buy Shap or MML?" (One by JT and one by Skyhook)
That's competition.

 

they are in competition to a point ill agree with that, but its not the cut throat industry you make it sound like. i bet some of the JT team purchased MML and visa versa and that would go for all 3PD buying different content. some of the 3PD work full or part time in every day jobs, there not relying on profits from route sales to feed a family. some do it for their love of the hobby and make a bit extra on the side.

with respect im sure you have seen the forums to know there are many routes that can be developed in many eras that would be popular some i admit i look at and think that's a bit far down in dream land but look at TSC and how far that's come, anything is possible.

 

As I might have remarked earlier in this thread, or elsewhere, Skyhook seem to have walked away from route building. IIRC Adam aka Lucazone also stated they did look at extending MML to Sheffield but didn’t consider the project economically viable. I don’t honestly see JT moving from their NW comfort zone any time soon so rather looks as if the little orphaned stretch of MML is all there will ever be in TSW.

 

The WCML now has 2 sections left they could possibly do Manchester Piccadilly to Rugby and Carlisle to Edinburgh and Glasgow Central.

After all the WCML routes , yes they should do more with ECML and MML

The ECML should have:
King’s Cross to Peterborough
Doncaster to Newcastle, Leeds and Bradford forester square
Newcastle to Edinburgh
Edinburgh to Aberdeen

MML should have:
Birmingham to Derby
Derby to Newcastle
Matlock to Lincoln
St Pancras to Leicester
Derby to Sheffield

 

Totally agree. Not only the ECML with its one DLC but other notable mainlines like Great Eastern, West Anglian, South West, mainlines not represented at all while we have 7 sections of the WCML.

No Network South East at all (I'm not counting the model railway on the Isle of Wight), no Slamdoor or Mk3-derived EMUs. Everything in TSW is becoming dreadfully tilted towards the West Coast Mainline and its branches with retro releases based entirely in the middle section of the WCML. Current UK scores for released and announced routes;

LMR - 16
Southern - 6
Western - 5
Scottish - 3
Eastern - 2
Metro systems - 1

While I appreciate that most releases are not DTG, it's in DTG's interests to ensure that there's enough balance in the Roadmap to satisfy an overwhelmingly UK-based target audience. At the moment if you love DMUs, the Great Western, the WCML in either 2020 or 1987 you've just had another bumper year of releases. If, like me, you're not, you'll be feeling ignored, shortchanged and wondering why you're continuing to spend money on TSW. That's not a situation that's good for DTG, losing a slice of your core market through antipathy towards customer feedback.

I know that a customer of 18 years has little sway in the scheme of things but I'd love it if DTG could just explain why there's this apparent obsession with the WCML or perhaps explain that they wanted to get a fair chunk of one mainline in game before focusing elsewhere. Some hint that there's a strategy and awareness of where the gaps are would be greatly appreciated. I appreciate licences have been an issue and serious limiting factor for modern releases but that argument collapses when you look at how many DLCs have had unbranded 350s recently.

 

DTG have only produced one WCML route, the rest are by JT and AAB, so it may be best to ask them what the obsession is rather than DTG who have only produced the one route.

I do agree though that there are untouched or little touched regions and eras and it would be good to see them represented to add more variety. I would love to see some southern slam door EMU's and some slam door AC EMU's too but it seems DTG aren't going to build BR content anymore so I don't know where that would come from.

 

Saying something "should exist" because you want it personally is not a convincing argument. As said before, third parties are focusing on the WCML, not DTG. It's not up to you shaming DTG into doing the ECML. It's up to you to show those third parties what would sell better on the ECML and why.
This isn't a non-profit library where we look around and say "We don't have enough books about Mauritania.... let's buy a book about Mauritania for scholarly equality."
It's a business.
They're doing it based on what they think will sell.

 

You can never have enough of D211...

 

But how much input does DTG have in TPD releases? Is there a strategy?
I appreciate that DTG don't make that many UK routes each year, if any, and only built one section of the WCML but if they just let TPD release their favourite bits of the network and that appears to be the North West of England, DTG's long term success is based on decisions that are out of their hands.

If DTG are leaving the building of routes to others, then maybe they should be looking at making new traction that broadens the options open to TPDs. Class 91/Mk4s anyone? Not top of my list but if DTG made it, would that increase the chances of a TPD ECML route?
Mk3 EMUs, if DTG made a Class 319, would that increase the chances of a TPD making a Thameslink route? It's that approach that I'm not seeing meanwhile a lack of "That's my line" excitement is diminished because unless you live with 20 miles of the WCML then it's unlikely to be "your line" any time soon. What is there in the Roadmap to inspire me and make me excited? Nothing. And I'm not alone. It's not just me stamping my feet because there's nothing in my area. I have mates who are into Network South East slamdoors, long rural Welsh routes, metro lines, the North East, cross country routes, lonely but beautiful long drives through beautiful scenery. All are saying the same thing. "modern WCML again?" DTG need to show that they have a plan and aren't just saying "yeah, do whatever you like" to TPDs and not helping them broaden their horizons.

I appreciate I'm looking at this in terms of the end user rather than development but I can't be the only TSW player who is totally sick to the teeth with DLC that re-uses existing traction in similar areas to what we already have. My parents used to cook the same meals each week, Monday through to Sunday, you knew what you were eating. This lack of imagination didn't leaving me starving, I still ate, but did I enjoy it? Not at all, it was boring, uninspiring, predictable. And that's where I'm at with TSW at the start of 2026. I'm playing TSW less because I have very little connection with anything that's in TSW. I've been playing TSC more over the last couple of month. I've just reinstalled MSFS 24 so I'll be on that this year. I've lapsed interest in so many computer games over the years, especially when a franchise goes stale and predictable.

And I know I'm not alone. None of my TSW mates post in these forums, so their opinion isn't heard, but I know they're not buying the next two Just Trains routes or the latest WCML routes because it's more of the same.

Long term, that lack of enthusiasm will see interest in TSW wane which is a bad situation for a company like DTG that relies on it's flagship game to pay the bills and their staff.

 

I should add that for my non PC friends, the bugs that are appearing in annual release after annual release will also have that "losing interest" effect. This is DTGs game and TSW is at a crucial point in its development. Those on consoles who are putting-up with the same old bugs will also lose interest.

I'm hypervigilant and have a gift of spotting patterns of behaviour in people, in business and in entertainment. My clients are mostly owners of small to medium businesses, I get to pick-up the pieces when things go wrong. I care passionately about the future of train simulation and I'm seeing red flags for TSW. It worries me. If I have to wait until TSW10 for a favourite route, that's fine. But if TSW sales starts to fall-off because of repeated issues and repeated experiences, then nobody will be getting their favourite route because there won't be a modern train simulator to buy.

There's also a feedback loop. If over a third of releases are in one region are they selling well is it because players are choosing LMR routes or because that's all that's on sale? I'll never try to shame DTG to get a route, I'll push passionately, I'll advocate and make my opinions heard but ultimately this doesn't come from an anti-DTG stance, it's because I want TSW to be the best it can be.

 

I also see Metro Rivals as being a real existential threat to TSW, regardless of its outcome.

If it succeeds, they will be throwing more resources at building on the title with new “routes” etc.

If it flops, a real chance they could find themselves in the same boat as Giants who, thanks to the failure of Project Motor Racing, have had to make massive cutbacks including the entire closure of their US arm and even firing “Kermit” who was apparently the key liaison for the official modding community.

I also genuinely think DTG are starting to run out of ideas for TSW content, despite the Suggestions echo chamber being ram jammed. Lots of potential projects but unless it’s a train every 20 minutes on a double track electrified route whether UK or Germany, it hits the LAMPOIL block. Time to relax the requirements a bit and give us something a bit different. There’s ways and means of making three or four trains a day to Kyle or Fort William/Mallaig or East Anglian branch lines interesting. Sell it on the uniqueness of the route, not the fact 900 services have been crammed in the timetable.

 

Auran too, they tried to expand, from what I understand their other game which I can't remember the name of was actually one of the most expensive in Australian history at that point. The game bombed, and that is why Auran ceased and N3V took over, also why we got that bizarre period of smaller Trainz releases like the Classic trilogy and the German only TRS2007, quick releases to try and get some quick cash in.

I mean heck, if what Matt said earlier in the year's true that seems to have happened to the old Flight Simulator team. Kind of sounds like MSTS2 was a bit too much to chew with the generated world not being quite where they wanted it for a ground scale world. And when they "choked on it" so to speak, rather than help them out Microsoft shoved a apple in their mouth and disposed of the corpse after.

And thing is that stuff was 15 to 20 years ago when games were far cheaper and lower risk, now you hear about how even big AAA studios are constantly one bomb away from being closed due to their time and budgets. Like I hope that some way somehow Metro Rival's is some dirt cheap project that has basically zero risk to it. But I get the feeling that it's not a nothing project, and it's probably a part of the reason DLC releases from DTG themselves has been slow.

 

At time the may be a focus on WCML, but that doesn't mean that there won't be any other ECML/MML sections in TSW in the future.

 

I've got to jump in again to defend the WCML, yes there are suddenly a number of WCML routes but 2 years ago there were zero, Blackpool Branches came out two years ago but I wouldn't even count that as WCML. At that time it appeared that Scotland and London were the primary focus, otherwise you had the short stretch of the MML, the old Tyne Valley and the even older North TransPennine. Oh and West Cornwall Local but apparently that was dead in the water, I actually liked that route despite its flaws, thanks to it being retro enough.

Now as I said previously, JT's guys have a local history with the NW so that helps them but they also saw a demand for the NW and are catering nicely to it. One can't fault them for that, they are catering to a demand and also to themselves. As for All Aboard, well maybe they have a connection, or they just know what people want - given how many times people have cried that they wanted more WCML...

You honestly can't win, short of hiring your own development team to give you what you want - and let's be realistic, none of us could afford that.

 

For me the WCML is rather heavily covered but that’s less of an issue to me than the fact that this coverage comes with reskins a reworked but not anything new.

The 1980s period WCML could have had classes 81-85. The more recent period could have had 319/321/730.

and just to add, the reason the reskin/reworked are disappointing is for me encapsulated in the ECML Railtour pack where nothing of any significance was done to the 47 an even the Nuclear 20s were (in my own opinion) disappointing.

 

To be honest I'm not sure why threads like this keep popping up, if we had an influx of ECML content the WCML folks would be shouting and so on and so on, why not just be thankful for decent content and wait like the rest of us.

Yes it's nice to get your local routes represented but the constant whining about how everyone wants their little part in the game starts to sound a lot like childish tantrums

 

Or how about (and I realise this will be controversial!!!) equal representation of them all?

 

On the contrary, it seems to me to be the very definition of consensus !

Unfortunately, the constraints of reality produce a different result...

 

That's not the definition at all.
Arguably, if people keep buying the WCML routes then that's what people want.
Otherwise they wouldn't be buying them.

Simply making things "across the country" in random places because "I as one person think that's how they should do it" is not at all consensus. Giving people more of what they're buying in large numbers would be giving people what they want which would be consensus.
They are "voting" with their purchases.
If WCML stops selling (or they run out of tracks to sell) then they'll move onto the next popular thing.
That's literally consensus by definition.

 

I am so excited for the class 807 and the Class 90 and I adore modern stock. I am really not a fan of older stock. People like to assume everyone wants older routes. Good point made here!

 

None of those MML routes are on the MML. What about St Pancras to Leicester or an extension to Sheffield

 

You buy what is available to be bought.
I would certainly never have bought anything UK since 2012 had there been plethora of french content.
There isn't any, so I'm making do with what there is, it's better than nothing.
(And in fact I really like it )

Consensus means pleasing the greatest number. When Southern Driver proposes an equitable representation of all regions while saying it's controversial, it seems to me to be the opposite, everyone will find something to their liking, north, south, east, west.
But that takes time.
If you want to please the greatest number, you have to go after the most requested thing of the moment, and then move on to the next one, hence the usefulness of the suggestions thread.

This is a mean for DTG to roughly assess if they're going in the right direction.
But it's not sufficient, otherwise there wouldn't be any regular survey.

 

That's assuming without any evidence that the population of TSW players AND the routes people most want is distributed equally between regions.
Why would you assume that?
Based on what?
You bring up the survey, so if the survey AND sales show people are happily buying WCML content...that would suggest people want that more. After all a company has no reason to intentionally make the less popular content. That would lose them money.
Your assumption (well...echoing someone else) isn't supported by anything.
Whereas the very fact that WCML are being made and selling proves that's popular.

In 2 years when they are out of WCML content, people in Scotland will probably be whining there's "all this ECML content being done! Why is there so much for the ECML?"

As someone stated above, a year ago this wasn't even a thing since there was basically no WCML content.

It's a trend. It'll move on. People are pretending this is some sort of long term thing.
That too isn't supported by anything.

And finally, it's not "DTG" deciding to do most of this content. all they did was WCMLS. That's it. ONE route. The rest is third party developers doing what they want to do. Is it some grand conspiracy by all these people to snub the ECML?

Give it a year.

 

If I had to be honest I'm not looking too forward to the ECML if it's set in the modern day anyways.

I feel like the 91 will be neglected for a while longer, and we'd be stuck with the IETs for LNER runs and Desiro Cities and Electrostars for commuter runs down south.

Give us HSTs, 91s, Networkers and 313s and we are on a winner.

 

Let's make this more productive. What would be a good ECML stretch to begin with?
I think the best start would be from say Darlington to Doncaster with an offshoot to Leeds, linking the 3 existing routes?
That would then work with remasters of TVL and NTP.

It also links up to the recent Manchester route, and with enough new layers it would revitalize and anchor a push for the ECML after the WCML is pretty much complete. I don't know enough about the traffic patterns there to know what era it should be in or if it's a good patch for "fun" playing, so I'm just tossing it out there as something constructive to focus on.

Maybe that's too far?

I think it makes the most sense to do it in the 80s since that's what NTP and TVL are and it's a more interesting line of stock available as well as better licensing, but that's debatable I guess.

 

Or 55s

 

Not this:

 

Newcastle to York, Newcastle to Edinburgh or Kings Cross to Peterborough would be the ones which would make sense to me within in the realms of maximum DTG route length. Doncaster to Darlington would have beginning and end points at two relatively minor stations.

Newcastle to York features an "iconic" station at both ends.

 

This would be where you explain why and propose something else.
Hence the "constructive" part.

 

I see what you're saying.... but that does leave gaps unless you have another route in the middle.
Would you have a separate line go from Doncaster to York with an offshoot to Leeds? That's be around 60ish miles with sidings/offshoots.
Doncaster isn't really negotiable since that's where the existing route ends and they don't plan on going any further.
I think it makes sense to link Leeds to York too, so those three destinations could work. Then York heading north to Newcastle would link Darlington on the way.

That was the secret of getting buy in for WCML.... linking the routes up.
This linking of TVL, NTP and ECML (Don-Pet) drives interest in the ECML and remasters of the two older routes, so it's not just one isolated route like York to Newcastle would be solo.

Then later, Newcastle can link north to Edinburgh or west to Carlisle, further completing the network.

People wanted to know why the ECML isn't getting the "love" the WCML has gotten.
That's why.
Just Trains anchored the north side, DTG linked the south side, and it started to fill in from there all linked together.
The routes weren't just done in a vacuum, singly or just "to do something on the west coast." The WCML as a whole was the goal.
The ECML has to be sold the same way, as a single, connected goal where each piece fits together with other stuff in game or planned.
I suggested NTP and TVL because they're existing, they could use remasters, and between them they start linking a foundation for others to build on.
You could start in the south, but you'd have to start from almost nothing.

From there you use the same model to get more done.

Focus on the MML next.
Or South Coast.
Or Scotland.

ECML makes the most sense logically for a metaproject.

 

Personally I am not bothered by gaps in the route, I realise some are. I prefer more logicsl beginning and end points. York would have been a more logical end point for the current ECML rather than Doncaster, York is a major rail hub and a driver change over point.

Doncaster is a historic railway town (as is York) but as a station not really a major station.

 

That's fine.
Doesn't help the ECML get made in a coherent fashion though.
Refighting an old losing battle on "should have years ago" to add another 40+ miles to an existing route is not going to be productive. In fact, the way it is leaves a prime opportunity to include all three points in the same route, connecting three routes at once (Leeds, Doncaster, York)
Taking a less than ideal situation and using it to advantage.

There's a saying in project management that "perfect prevents practical."
If you tear up the foundation over and over, you can never build anything on it.
I'd prefer to build on what exists and improve from there.

Linked routes is the key draw to build a coherent ECML network.
From there, it expands outwards easily too.

If your goal is one isolated route, then sure.
If the goal is developing the ECML, take the experience from the WCML and learn from it.

 

Well when I need a lecture.........

I was giving an opinion, I am not bothered about building a network, personally, two parts of the WCML will be set in the mid 1980's and three parts in the recent period. I would rather have seen WCMLs extended from Milton Keynes to New Street. that would have made sense logistically.

 

It is distributed between regions, albeit not "equally". You need evidences ? So you didn't see those recurring posts desperately requesting GEML, Southern DC, etc, etc.

See, you say it yourself, there will always be disappointment until the entire UK network is more or less covered (as in TSC).

I'm not supporting anyone thesis here, in fact I think it's obviously demagogic to say that "we're going to do everything, we're going to please everyone", as proceding in such a way leads to what we've had until there, ie isolated stretches spread all over the country without connections between one another.

So one point of agreement between us is network building, although I could retort that you also have no proof that this is what makes WCML successful.
After all, how are they concretely linked together, gameplay wise, other than by the route hopping feature which is far from convenient at this point ?
I would say TSW is a game where you drive trains, the rest is second, so until there is a proper "in-cab" route hopping, the link between the routes is tenuous...

I don't take it for myself as I would be happy with only WCML content until it's complete.
And I don't like to preach, nor do I like people who do it, but, come on, those conspiracy evocations, that doesn't help your argument, it's just mockery, and I don't know how that could be taken as "constructive"...

But don't take it the wrong way, your suggestions don't seem bad to me otherwise.

 

The routes are literally linked together. They're sold on that. People buy on that.
I say it's a "conspiracy theory" to assume there's some shadowy cabal preventing the ECML from being worked on in favor of the WCML...because it is.
It's a dumb idea and there is no institutional bias. How could there be? Who would organize all those third parties to do it and why?
Why encourage conspiracy theories and incorrect, misguided concepts?
That doesn't improve anything.
Entertaining something incorrect and harmful is negative and destructive.
It doesn't help.
It's not constructive.
Has the ECML been "forgotten about?"
Nope.
It's just trendy to do WCML, and where you get one person working on it, two then three join it.
That's all there is to it.
Suggesting that people would do the SAME thing if a concerted effort to make it a coherent "theme" doesn't seem like a stretch as that's literally how it works.
If you created the same situation on the ECML through a solid foundation and coherent conceptual marketing, it would work just the same.
That's just reading human nature.
Encouraging more isolated one-offs will not help get to the goal of creating an ECML network.
That's how you get "cast off" routes that wither.
Obsessing about past wrongs also doesn't improve anything.
To be "constructive" you don't have to be "nice" or "encouraging."
You have to be willing to "construct"... to build.
To move forward.
Parochialism, second guessing and obsession over past "wrongs" (true and imagined) just doesn't fix anything, let alone build on for the future. And yes, obsessing over details works for some things, but in the larger picture perfect is the enemy of practical.
Yes we have routes built in different eras... but so what?
You will never get all of the rails in the UK built in the same era.
You can't even get people to agree on what era in the first place, let alone to redo them all in that era.
You can't please everyone.
But you CAN get a lot of enjoyment out of the game if you treat it like a game and a source of fun.
It's ironic that calling people out for incessant unproductive negativity is then called "not constructive"... as if incessant and unproductive negativity is somehow a good and constructive thing?

I think the WCML is turning out rather nicely and you can take things learned there to do the ECML. A huge part of that success I believe is due to it being seen as one coherent thing and not (like the ECML) several disconnected pieces floating in space. If you don't think so... why not?
What's your alternate theory?
This is where that "constructive" criticism comes in.
Go ahead and give me your theory as to why there's so much buzz about the WCML and it's filling in so much quicker while the ECML collects dust?

It's not just the WCML mind you.
Scotland has benefitted from this with the three connected routes there.
The MBTA is the same.
NEC/NYC area is the same.
The Antelope/San Bernadino/Cajon Pass did the same thing.
Not to mention several linked German routes.
The places that link together tend to build out faster, while single routes tend to lag behind and get "forgotten."

But please, if you have a better explanation please share it.

If you have a better starting point for the ECML network, please share that too.

If you want constructive... then show that constructive suggestion that you are talking about.

That goes for everyone.

Share your ideas. How would you market the ECML to encourage devs to work on it? Or to encourage new players to buy that DLC that you suggest be made?

 

As I've said, I'm all for creating routes that are geographically connected. 1000%.
They often share the same rolling stock, it saves modelling time when you can reuse the terminal stations, etc, and, of course, there is the hope (speaking for myself) one day they will really be linked together.

I will be frank, that's the only reason of my very presence on this forum, to promote the idea of a feature that allows you to drive (railtours, night trains, etc) for hours, as I did in TSC, but without having to go through the main menu.
That's purely personnal, very specific, but there's a lot of criticism of "ordinary" players about routes lengths, and this "in-cab hopping" could help.
If routes aren't connected, forget about this.
But it's somehow off-topic.

I think routes are liked not because they are linked, they are linked because they are liked.
Yes, there may be a "network effect", maybe as a snowball effect, but there are also many young players that like speed, and modern routes that serve big urban centers (London, Birmingham, etc).
We could have got first King's Cross - Peterborough with the Azuma, but we got WCMLS with the Pendolino instead. (The opposite of what was done in TS20xx...)
Pendolino is tilting, whereas Azuma is not. ECML is (or could be seen as) dull, boring, whereas WCML less so.
You also have much stopping services south of Crewe, but can also do freight, so there's variety.
There are plenty of reasons WCML is a success, and now doubt ECMLS (to begin with) will be too.

As you've said earlier "give them a year".
A year, two... life is short, but DTG isn't Microsoft.
The world is cruel.

 

PS (couldn't edit as it says spam) : NO doubt ECMLS will be a success.
(lapsus calami ? :-D)

 

I think they should move to a "journeys" based model myself based on what is currently in the game. You can choose a "journey" to take place across several routes and one timetable run loads into the other. You wouldn't be "in the cab" per se, but it'd be just click on "continue" and it loads back into the cab in the next leg of the run.
We already have that in game, it works fine, and all it would take is someone literally building the "trip" of the different segments just like a "journey" links different "scenarios."
It would take very little effort to create and uses existing, working assets. Literally all you'd have to do is have someone find every matching timetable run that would "link" to the next route and then string them into one complete "trip."
The hardest part is taking the time to research which link to which time-wise and making sure they're the same rolling stock.
Alternately, you could create a new batch of scenarios basically outside of the timetable (esp for routes that are older or in different eras) but that seems like a whole lot more work.
I'd open it up to the community to identify a few for a test and make it a fun interactive project between devs and the community.
Make it a contest and the top 3 routes identified as candidates get made as a test.
Award prizes, etc.

Maybe "find me the longest continuous trip you can make in TSW currently" or "find me a trip from London to Edinburgh" etc

From there once it's proven and publicized, start expanding it out.
Hell, even third party devs could do it, the ones that don't have a lot of skill on scenery or locomotives, but want to dip their toe in the water with "long journey scenario packs" or something.

 

You have pointed out a key point that there's no technical limitation at this stage to do such journeys.
And we now got the stock to do Cross Country services across multiple routes.
No to say charters, with largely expanded possibilities compared to TSC, when it comes to top and tail for example.

And I'll take this opportunity to praise JT again, as we can add a flashing red light to the back of their stock.

All of this is very exciting for the future of TSW !