Upcoming Release Avanti West Coast Class 805 - Coming Soon!

Unless we're all getting a Tardis, you need to alter the date of the live stream on the article.

 

Wednesday the 14th?

 

Can you confirm please it doesn't have the 802 diesel engine issues

 

Are we getting the other Class 350 variants from WCML:Birmingham-Crewe to sub into WCML:South for variety?

 

I declare comments about the plastic train open!)

 

Really looking forward to this next Tuesday

 

"If my calculations are correct, once this locomotive hits 88 miles per hour..."

 

No mate, it’s all good. For a minute I thought I was gonna have to get my time machine fired up!
Thanks for the correction.

 

£14.99.... phoar, think that might have to wait for a sale. Separate thread re pricing of DLC refers.

 

I supposed the good thing, is that at the increased price at least you know there will not be any bugs or issues

 

I wouldn't be so sure given Birmingham to Crewe still crashes even in gen 9 unless by some unlikely miracle all bugs fixed

 

I actually think the price is perfectly reasonable. Especially when you consider that it includes two extensive timetables with over 2,000!! services. So yes, that seems completely logical to me and wow, the 805 looks fantastic. I'm genuinely impressed

 

Don't misunderstand, if this had been a Class 26 or Class 50 with some new coaching stock then I might have thought differently. However we already have Hitachi IET's in the game with the 801 and 802 so not a vastly different driving experience.

 

I was being sarcastic!!

 

Yes, this is an add‑on that brings the Class 805 into the game. What you’re suggesting doesn’t fit the time frame at all. It’s about a modern train in the present day. I’d also love to see a Class 26 or a Class 50, but I fully understand that this is a different product, and that’s written in big bold letters at the top of this page.
And in any case, it simply doesn’t suit this route, especially since the route is depicted in a modern era. It’s a bit like asking for a Reko steam locomotive on a modern German route it just doesn’t fit.
But alright, that should be clear enough, right?!

You can keep coming up with arguments and keep asking for different types of trains for every product, of course. I see a lot of people doing that, but honestly, I find it a bit strange.

 

Quite a decent announcement,although a little expensive for me, shame one of the screenshots highlights the lack of any passengers..

 

Does the max speed set at 125 mph?

 

I was actually surprised it wasn't £19.99 (which still would have been a fair price), £14.99 feels a bit of a steal for what's included with the 2x comprehensive timetables. WCMLS will certainly be going up on people's playlist.

I don't really understand this argument about "oh it's the same as every other IET". Nope, it's not. Outside of being its own class (HSTs, Electrostars, Aventras all have them too, and they all have their own differences), we are getting a completely new sound package and newly modelled interior and exterior, so this isn't just a 'reskin' as some are trying to make out, and is far from it.

One thing I will say (as it hasn't been confirmed just yet), is I hope those who own Birmingham to Crewe will be able to have the 350 subclasses and better model layer onto the the WCMLS, I think it would be silly not to. The original 350/1 is pretty shoddy. I just hope those who own Birmingham to Crewe get the new 350/1, /2, & /3 available as a layer.

 

I'm autistic tom sometimes it's hard to understand people's meaning

 

If im correct they have no line speed control (speed supervision) so maximum is 110m/h

 

You misunderstand. I didn't mean a Class 26 or Class 50 for this route, but speaking of a hypothetical future where these might come out for a route on which they might have run.

 

Ah can you explain what type of trains are running with a class 50 or 26?

 

According to this graphic found on Avanti's website their max operating speed is 125.

(https://www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk/travel-information/onboard/about-our-trains/avanti-evero-trains)

 

None on modern day routes. Let's rephrase and forget specific locos/trains as you seem to be having difficulty comprehending what I mean...

I *might* pay £15 for a train pack that was of particular interest to me or especially iconic, without going into specifics. A Class 805 Knotweed does not fit that bill. £8 in a sale, quite probably though that's assuming it doesn't turn out to be a buggy mess.

 

I want to see how it will run on PS5, without blurring...

 

There are some stretches of the WCML (at least between Coventry and Rugby and Stafford and Wolverhampton) that are 125 MU instead of 125 EPS. I'm not sure if 805/807's are authorised to travel at MU speeds, and there was a discussion just after Christmas on whether the 390 could follow MU speeds:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/question-about-the-390.95953/#post-1079277

 

That makes sense.

 

Yeah thats correct! Wolverhampton and stafford is 125m/h without speed suppervision so that would be the same as for the class 220! Other sections are only with tilting support 125m/h and the 805 does not have that.

 

Yeah only on small sections without speed suppervision 125m/h

 

Said it once and will say it again, if we are getting a 2025 timetable for each modern day section of the WCML we need the Class 730 to make it fully realistic and full timetable. That would also fit into BCC timetable as a sub.

 

The units are built to be driven at 125mph however they are only permitted to go at 110 due to no EPS (enhanced permitted speed) there are future plans to role out 125 boards for these along the whole WCML.

voyagers could go 125mph due to compliance with EPS in their ability to tilt

 

That’s not entirely correct. Between Stafford and Wolverhampton, for example, 125 mph is permitted without speed supervision, so that’s also a section where tilting isn’t required. The Class 220 is also allowed to run at 125 mph when tilting isn’t available.

 

wasn’t tilt deactivated on the AWC 221s?

 

Yeah i believe so!

 

The trains sims cool so far and I’m really happy it has been mixed with other rolling stock like the Pendolino, instead of being on a timetable of their own.

With that being said, I’m starting to recognize an alarming marketing pattern that could negatively afflict the product’s purchases.
Although you didn’t shoot too high with the price, the price you valued the product it’s still based on the product offering content for two routes.

Now I would like to offer you a viewpoint of a customer, a well paying customer, who doesn’t own one of the two routes in question. What could happen for some marketing “office monkeys” is that I would get encouraged in buying both the missing route and the gameplay pack. What really happens is that I would buy the gameplay discounted (since I can’t access all of its content), or buy the route properly discounted, and then buy is gameplay pack (since routes cost the equivalent of 38 GBP in my country (that’s crazy)). I could give you a practical example with the BR194 and Mittenwaldbhan route, I don’t purchase the BR194 pack since I wouldn’t get the layers from Mittenwaldbahn, I don’t own the Mittenwaldbahn route because it never go on a proper discount. If the Mittenwaldbahn route would get to a reasonable price i will probably get them both, or I will get the BR194 pack discounted on is own. Same story as the class 805 and Birmingham-Crewe…
So please guys do everyone, included yourself, a favor, don’t use this marketing stratagem no more, it doesn’t work.

As I said, the 805 looks promising, nice stuff from All Aboard Studios, thumbs up, when it goes on discount, or when Birmingham to Crewe goes on a proper discount, I’ll gladly pick it up.

 

Would be a first day purchase for me were it not for the layering issues on the otherwise very good Birmingham Crewe route.

 

After they were transferred to Crosscountry

 

For everything you get £14.99 is a fair price and l am happy to buy it on release, however as l have a gift voucher I am only spending £4.99, so it feels like a bargain to me.

Looking forward to the stream in an hours time at 7pm tonight.

 

Liked everything about the preview stream except the loco price (but hey, it is what it is) and Kieran's rather uninspired choice of headphones compared to Harry and Matt.

 

Excuse the numpty question but I’ve been at this 5 minutes…

I’ve got the Riviera Line and Euston - Milton Keynes routes.. if I buy this train will it be available to use on both of those routes? But not on other routes?
Secondly, the scenarios, where will they be?

 

It provides content for Euston to Milton Keynes and for Birmingham to Crewe in the form of new 2025 timetables for those routes. It doesn't touch Riviera at all.
Of course, you can spawn it in on other routes in free roam and drive it

 

Assuming no diesel engine issues carryacross from 802 that is

 

That was raised during the stream and all 3 presenters claimed not to know what those issues with the 802 are!

 

The stream mentioned the Cargoline containers. If you don't have these, do the default ones sub in?
Why were the 86/87 railtours removed from the Birmingham-Crewe timetable, and why wasn't one added to WCML to South?

 

I find the easiest and most reliable approach is to automatically assume sarcasm any time someone says anything positive regarding anything released by DTG.

 

Don't forget you can spawn any consist in timetable mode too.

I never used Free Roam as it is desert (reminds me of TS QuickDrives), but still that must be useful somehow...