West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

I’ve been in the train sim community for over 10 years, and I’ve seen this kind of thing play out over and over again during the TSC era. As soon as developers receive any kind of serious negative feedback or criticism, they start claiming that they are victims and threaten to cancel projects or completely stop being developers. As someone, who has built freeware content, I’ve always found it very odd that people who get paid for making content seem to be so thin-skinned and end their career because someone said something on a forum.

 

sadly I would like to think you are joking re the people sending nasty messages in DMs like you mention above but honestly it does not surprise me the way some people are online. Hope you are ok after experiencing it first hand candice. Can’t imagine why anyone could be nasty towards you as you appear to be nothing but friendly on here to everyone.

 

Well good to hear it is no one here and sorry for me thinking SierraOscar95 was part of AABS i just assumed he was as he was very knowledgeable and posting alot of messages i assumed he was answering queries etc. He seems like a really knowledgeable person in the sim which is always good to have.

 

I’d say people like that should be given a permanent ban right away. I find it sick and disgusting. Getting a bit heated in your opinion is understandable. I’d also go crazy over blurry textures, for example, but a death threat is completely out of proportion. And yes, I believe it happens unfortunately it’s a new trend online to use that kind of language. It’s become part of the reality now, but it’s one I find utterly bizarre, and I hope that norm gets pushed back soon.

 

I've said this before but checking yourself before pressing "Post Reply" only takes a second. Ask yourself;

1. Am I treating others as I would expect to be treated?
2. Am I being rational?
3. Whatever the goal of my complaint, is the manner in which I'm communicating that complaint more or less likely to result in a helpful response?

We all forget ourselves, we all have our moments, but sending threatening communications goes way beyond the line and can even end-up with a knock at the door from the police, even if you're using a VPN. If you can't play nicely on the internet, you shouldn't be on there.

 

I was always told, type the letter you want to write, delete it and type the letter you should write.

 

There is a difference between being criticised and basically being told that you are not telling the truth and are spinning a yarn, that would stop me engaging on here if I was a developer.

I had an unpleasant message from someone on here some time ago, for just disagreeing with them on the forum and I'm not even any kind of developer.

 

I'm just very pleased to hear about all aboard studios not adding any trains from any other third parties when it hasn't been fully tested prior release, this is a good constructive way and you know what the developer has probably learned a lot just from having their first release.

What I would say, if developers won't say/add they could have a better response of because the class 90 or whatever train people want in future to be added to a DLC, I believe the response could be; "Class 90 hasn't been released but potential layers in the future" Or if it's a hard no I'd prefer that as a player. I'm looking forward for today's release which I'll be buying after work.

What I will mention, as a suggestion with good business incentives behind so it benefits developers and players. I believe when Trent Valley does get released, I believe that DTG and all aboard studios should collaborate together. Having that said as WCMLS & Trent valley are almost inter-connected alongside each other. I believe that extension enhancement pack with should be available in the future, with both of the routes being merged. As both companies have this as their own product. It's only fair to charge players an expansion pass with the requirement of owning both routes. This expansion pass would benefit DTG and all aboard studios to gain revenue and potential growth from having layers/DLC for the route.

So essentially players would have to buy WCMLS & Trent Valley & WCML Expansion Pass just to get more gameplay.

This would also provide more revenue for the parties involved and ultimately bringing out a huge timetable/full run for players to enjoy.

 

My god half these comments are childish. When did the forum become so 'douchy'

 

I couldn't agree more, I honestly believe it's a very constructive approach what Dan said on the 805 post going forward with new trains and yes they're completely right. We only found out about 90 late 2025 and it's not even done yet. If there's any gameplay footage then I'd understand all of the Q&A right now. However enthusiasts are just manifesting way too much in my opinion

 

No, you came to the wrong conclusion, end off

 

Except in this case the devs haven't treated you or anyone else here like a pile of something you've stepped, you just totally overreacted.

 

Honestly mate, the sheer attitude and hostility from you within this forum has been on par with that of a toddler spitting their dummy out. My son, who's 6, speaks with more diligence than you have. And that's my own opinion, which I stand by.

The Devs have given you clear, concise and very reasonable explanations as to why certain actions haven't been performed. And I think they're more clued up on the ins and outs than us in here. After all, it's their profession and it's those who make our DLC's that know best. I won't repeat the points because they've very sensibly been made by Dan and Kezz.

I think you should breathe, take a step back from your keyboard for a day or two and come back. This isn't a case of you're right and everybody else is wrong. Please speak with respect to your fellow forum members or take yourself elsewhere please. Opinions are perfectly within your right, but hostility certainly isn't welcome.

 

If we resort to merging, as was done in TS, that would imply an unique huge timetable, but above all, it would be very heavy in terms of performance...
Something has to be done for sure, the opportunity is unmissable.
I feel that something more innovative should be used, like the route hopping system, but just slightly improved.

 

You haven't been hostile to anyone?!

Lol this is so laughable, you sir are literally the only one here who has been hostile and AABS never attacked you, it was you who attacked them and the fact that you still can't see or comprehend this fact clearly shows just how immature you are!

 

Maybe it's for the best that he makes no more comments. Silver linings and all that.

 

In any case, I will buy the route (as with Birmin-Crewe I decided), the main thing is that I can buy without problems in Russia immediately after the release - I don't want more such jokes, I want to buy content for the game like everyone else, without politics and other things)

P. S. Yes, even without the CL90, since it turns out that way

 

Unfortunately I can't afford the add on any more as all my funds have now been spent on popcorn while reading this thread.

 

Yep, this thread gonna get locked……

 

That’s terrible. I’m curious to know why, but I won’t ask as it’s not my business to. I hope you get that sorted man. No one needs that worry in their life’s.

 

Did you remove my post? I got a notification saying my post got deleted lol

 

Sorry to hear that, I'm speechless at the utter imbecility of some people.

 

Okay, I'll redact my last post. Nobody deserves that, and I'm truly sorry you've experienced that! Hopefully you get it sorted!

 

Stuff like this is the exact reason why I do not go on the forums anymore.

Just constant, blatant negativity, 24/7.

Actually use constructive feedback, and not put down Devs 24/7...

 

Wow - pls update on the conclusion. Some total screws loose.

 

he dont need to update it is between him the police and the Moderators here. Members here have no concern or need to know anything.

 

I'm excited to see the Class 90 layer onto this route when released. Should be some nice services

 

Again it has got nothing to do with you.

 

There's a certain irony in your post, see if you can spot it

 

It won't be layering onto it.

 

It won't.

 

No irony from me. You are just trying to stick your nose into someone else’s business which has nothing to do with you. Let’s keep it on topic

 

I am sure the community will make a timetable utilising the stock

 

That's great for the PC users

 

Yup we are spoiled

 

Ok I'm just jumping in here at the end having skimmed through the thread and quite a lot of vitriol. Just to throw my tuppence in

I can understand why the 90 won't be subbing in on the route and the reasons for that, although I think it's bad form from both parties to not work together for the benefit of the user, gamer, customers. While I fully expect some angel to come and make an enhanced timetable which will include various treats alongside integrating the 90 into it, it will only benefit the PC user. Speaking as a PC gamer, that is great for us but I do feel sympathy for the console gamer here for a change as they will be missing out.

It is a pity that DTG couldn't "bang their heads together" and get them to play nice given it ultimately affects the image of their "flagship" product, TSW.

That said, I fully expect the 90 to come out AFTER the route specifically so that even if the route devs wanted to make a sub layer they couldn't :/

One final observation and this might be a bit controversial, since the 805 has just released this week and there is some other Hitachi thing coming as the included traction for the Trent Valley route, wouldn't it have made more sense to forgo the 805 (or the other Hitatchi thing) and add a freight loco like the 68? Especially since DRS are happy to license out for non-heritage stuff and you know the whole route going by DIRFT and Crewe B.H - two places quite known for 68s these days...

 

Just a personal opinion, but what a waste. Both parties missing out on some cross sales.
Kinda makes me not want the 90 pack nor the Crewe routes because what's the point? The routes needs the 90 and the 90 needs the routes.

 

It's a shame console users (Including myself) get the short end of the stick

 

I think it's a one way thing really. The routes wouldn't feel that different with/without the class 90 whereas the 90 will have no home in TSW aside from the WCML. Its ATS losing out more than anything

 

Agree to disagree.

 

I agree with you both parties would miss out because some people see it as well if 90 doesn't layer then I dont the 90 or the routes.

 

That is just what temps me into getting one lol

 

Technically it ran on the east coast mainline but I’m not 100% sure about which parts and we would need mk4s