[maxtracks] Leeds North West: Airedale & Wharfedale Lines Route

Rule Number One of Scenarios - If you don't own a train change it to one you do have
It does not have to be 100% accurate
LocoSwap makes that very easy - https://github.com/flicard/LocoSwap/releases/tag/v1.6.1.0

Just because you don't have the AP version with all the fancy extras change it to an normal version
And you can get a lot of stock in the Sale that is now on.

 

Thanks, I will try that. I'm just not very ghood at messing with things in Train Sim but hopefully this will work.

 

Question for anyone who has purchased/installed this route - can you possibly confirm the size of the install please? My PC drive is quite full and I'm already in the position of not being able to have all my rolling stock/routes present in the Railworks folder at the same time, manually transferring them to a storage drive when not in use. (If only there was a TSC equivalent to MSTS Trainstore... sigh...)
I'm keen to get this route as its right up my alley but shelling out £30 for a route that will cause me storage problems is something I want to avoid.

 

Managed to find it in the routes folder, mine says 215mb. Hope this helps

 

Before you buy the route check the Scenario Requirements as it needs a number of AP packs which will add to the space on your drive.
Or you could get a new internal drive for your computer and buy the route at a later date.

 

Leeds NW Routes Folder: 223,123,399 bytes
MaxTracks Assets Folder: 2,043,082,500 bytes

Don't know about Scenario Requirements, I usually swap them out with Locoswap or TSTools.

 

Thanks folks, that’s really helpful.

 

I believe the route is about 1.5GB including assets, then with the Class 333, ATS common library it'll add up to about 2.5GB total.

 

Thank you to all the route creators and testers. It is a fabulous piece of work, one of the best.

 

It's not going to personally stop me from buying the route, but working with ATS after the Class 755/745 enshitification and the other crazy stuff that happened is crazy work, though I don't hold anything against the devs for it.

 

First and foremost, there are many sensible people who refuse to have anything to do with ATS after the Class 755/745 disaster, on top of the other nonsense that was pulled behind closed doors. I feel sorry for people who like to defend bad actors and just forget the terrible things they've done, but I'm not gonna let that malarkey slide just because a potentially good route is being sold on the ATS website. If you want to believe a TSC user is foolish for not wanting anything to do with ATS, that's perfectly fine, but calling the user a "fool" over his justified disdain of ATS is foolish in and of itself. ATS is no innocent soul and you know that, so stop pretending otherwise because it only makes you look like a fool and to be honest, you really are one for trying to defend ATS of all the out of touch developers out there.

 

Quick drives: I am in the process of building quick drives for my own fun and enjoyment - I was brought up in Burley in Wharfedale and still travel the route a fair amount as family are still in Ilkley. They will have AI and static. They'll be timed for 2020 so as to avoid the purple swoosh Northern livery of which I am no fan. I am trying to get the passing trains at about the right places having spent a bit of time with the timetables to get a "typical" pattern for the Airedale and Ilkley lines. When I have finished I'll be in contact MaxTracks to offer them on.

 

While I don't agree with every decision or move by ATS, they've been nothing but good and well intentioned to me and all the developers I work alongside. I'm aware there's somewhat mixed views on them in the community and some loud voices against them, but the accounts of certain individuals with an axe to grind (or making themselves out to be victims of situations they caused) do not align with anything I experienced in many years of working with ATS.

I don't see why I should have to justify my choice of publisher when I have plenty of perfectly good reasons for my decision, but I do consider the ATS lads good friends and it saddens me that you hold such a warped and negative view, as someone who knows them to be kind, hardworking people who have always been understanding of circumstances, flexible and accommodating with deadlines, and have paid all invoices for work done promptly and fully.

Anyway, that's my bit from my firsthand experience. I'd rather this thread not become an ATS hate/argument thread so I'd appreciate if that was discussed elsewhere.

As for the route, I'm really pleased with the response on the whole and glad there still seems to be interest in TSC content. Before release I honestly wasn't sure if this would be my last major TSC route/project, but while there's nothing to announce just yet the enthusiasm has given myself and the guys on the team an appetite to create more.

There's a patch on the way in the coming days to address a few bug fixes of issues raised and suggestions by the community (including some quick drive AI as mentioned here) so I'll post the patch notes here as soon as it's out.

 

The route is amazing and was a great surprise when it was announced. Just goes to show there is still more in the older sim yet and the community i am sure will be glad of any content.

You are right you do not need to justify yourself to ANYONE on these forums your work your choice plain and simple. The way the other members has came into this positive thread and tried to turn it negative with a view to cause arguments it seems has been reported to the moderators and i am sure when they are on they will remove the comments and ensure the thread stays on topic and positive. Keep up the great work and i wish you well in future ventures .

 

Exactly this absolutely zero need for the comments above.

 

I was considering agreeing with you, until you said this "and it saddens me that you hold such a warped and negative view, as someone who knows them to be kind, hardworking people who have always been understanding of circumstances, flexible and accommodating with deadlines, and have paid all invoices for work done promptly and fully." Yeah, I get the PR talk, I really do. You're a developer trying to make great content for TSC users. I'm a hardcore 'Murican at heart and enjoy European content in TSC just as much as I do US content.

However, trying to gaslight people who are completely against ATS (justifiably so) due to their unprofessional actions can easily rub people the wrong way, especially when you're acting like people who loathe ATS don't have a good reason for loathing them. It's like trying to defend DTG despite how absurd they are and (I'm not even going to open up that can of worms). You can't just ignore and invalidate peoples' feelings regarding ATS. It's a really bad move for a developer. If a developer can't take constructive criticism, then that's the developer's problem, not the customer's problem.

The point here, is that while you have the freedom to choose where you publish your content, just as the customers are to respect your decision to publish your content wherever you please, you also have to respect customer's concerns and criticism, especially when it comes to dealing with bad actors. It really disappoints and saddens me that you prefer to invalidate the negative experiences that people (including a developer as well) have had with ATS, over understanding them and taking their feedback into consideration. Dying on that hill is kind of disrespectful.

 

I have most product from ATS including the 745 and 755. I personally have enjoyed both products. I have even bought quite a lot of their Timetables.
Respectfully

 

I think ATS make some of the best content for TSC pair it with AP and you have an amazing choice of content

 

"Do you have TSC product the community could benefit from?"
Well, I'm glad you asked. I'm here because I can be here, because I want to be here. I bought TSC in 2021 because I saw Squirrel playing it in one of his YouTube videos back when I was a kid. I always used to watch Train Simulator videos on YouTube when I was a kid. It was cool, because I love trains. I'm not here to benefit you or anyone else. I'm here, right now on this forum, because I can be here. Honestly, I'm in the TSC discord and it's far more pleasant than this forum anyway, that's why I'm rarely active on here. I used to make suggestions. The Amtrak E60 was one of my suggestions, though I'm not sure how far back E60 suggestions go, so I'm pretty sure mine wasn't the first time someone made an E60 suggestion.

A little later, there was the whole ATS fiasco, which was broken up into a few different outlandish things. I remember that very clearly. Maverick Hunter Daniel was one of the content creators who reviewed one of Alan's Flirts before the other came out. I forget which Flirt it was, but the whole thing was like a forest fire. 37 Pounds and some bits for an EMU pack that wasn't even all that and had one of the worst trailers I had ever seen. And since I'm in the US, that's $38 for a "pack" with a single EMU in it. He also brought up the workplace harassment that had happened behind the scenes, and then things went to court and Alan lost. With his attitude, I wouldn't put any of it past him.

And before that, there was the dreaded SD45-2 Pack made by DTM. Worst purchase I've ever made. No quality, all quantity and recycled content. And don't get me started on Saluda Grade and Bozeman Pass, both of which are unworthy of having any Train Sim Pro recognition because nothing about those routes is advanced or anything no US player has ever seen before in a North American TSC route.

Train Sim World was another disastrous can of worms with the yearly release routine. Anyway, I'm here because I can be, usually whenever I feel like coming here. As for what I bring to the table, well I don't ever recall owing the community anything. I just buy TSC dlc I feel is worth my hard-earned money and usually interact with the much more pleasant and competent TSC community on the TSC discord, rather than here.

In short, I'm here because I feel like being here. If providing my opinion is being negative, then call me Negative Nancy. I'm no stranger to taking heat from people who get defensive when someone dares to criticize something they praise or idolize.

 

I also live in the USA. In fact I work for the company who makes EMD Locos. US TSC Content has been sporadic at best. It is a huge land mass and not as easy to cover. Having been raised in the UK I can appreciate the scenery as I have travelled in all parts of the UK (50 US States also!). I have 3 versions of Flirt - ATS, Christrains, RSSLO. From my little experience the ATS version had the most bells and whistles and I enjoyed the simulations. This forum has typically been used to share ideas and give advice on how to leverage the existing TSC content since DTG no longer makes any product for it themselves. The Discord channel is more of a 'chat' channel - difficult to create any threads and archive information. As Craigie suggested we like to keep relevant documentation in the various threads on this site so that those who can will be able to promote 3rd party content.
Respectfully

 

That's great and all, but respectfully I don't care. You keep "relevant documentation" right? Well, this is definitely relevant. And again, it's a public forum. And the ATS Flirt, brings barely anything to the table that hasn't already been seen before in German and UK content. RSSLO and Christrains don't treat their customers like open wallets. The discord channel does more favors than this entire hive mind of a forum glazing some dude who tried to justify selling not one, but two EMU packs for 37 Pounds and some bits. The UK portion of the TSC community deserve much better than that and I've seen better. Even Richard's Enhancement and rolling stock packs are better than that and he only puts in like half the effort most of the time. Even DTG's prices are more generous than that. I could go on. I'm not gonna be conned or gaslit into actually believing that Alan's content is anything close to high quality. Even DTM's disaster of a U25 pack is better than those Flirts ATS is expecting people to pay 37 Pounds and some coin for. You could buy one of AP's Class 37 Packs with that money, and the packs alone are just better.

 

its all good credit to you for coming back and looking at it from that perspective. We all have a passion for train sim its why we are here we all get a little to excited about things at times its not a bad thing its just passion. Full credit to you though for admitting to that.

 

I am more than happy to discuss any issues you may have mate
You are more than welcome to have any opinion on me you like
But I will be very very clear you have claimed some very very wrong things and posted them as fact this isn’t ok and is misinformation and at times just utterly wrong
Feel free to leave them as they are or you can happily email me and I will correct your untruths sadly listening to one sided tales don’t give you the full story and regurgitating them on public forums as facts is not the correct way to go about things
Please feel free to pop me an email so we can get this cleared up alan@alanthomsonsim.com