West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

It won't be layering onto it.

 

It won't.

 

No irony from me. You are just trying to stick your nose into someone else’s business which has nothing to do with you. Let’s keep it on topic

 

I am sure the community will make a timetable utilising the stock

 

That's great for the PC users

 

Yup we are spoiled

 

Ok I'm just jumping in here at the end having skimmed through the thread and quite a lot of vitriol. Just to throw my tuppence in

I can understand why the 90 won't be subbing in on the route and the reasons for that, although I think it's bad form from both parties to not work together for the benefit of the user, gamer, customers. While I fully expect some angel to come and make an enhanced timetable which will include various treats alongside integrating the 90 into it, it will only benefit the PC user. Speaking as a PC gamer, that is great for us but I do feel sympathy for the console gamer here for a change as they will be missing out.

It is a pity that DTG couldn't "bang their heads together" and get them to play nice given it ultimately affects the image of their "flagship" product, TSW.

That said, I fully expect the 90 to come out AFTER the route specifically so that even if the route devs wanted to make a sub layer they couldn't :/

One final observation and this might be a bit controversial, since the 805 has just released this week and there is some other Hitachi thing coming as the included traction for the Trent Valley route, wouldn't it have made more sense to forgo the 805 (or the other Hitatchi thing) and add a freight loco like the 68? Especially since DRS are happy to license out for non-heritage stuff and you know the whole route going by DIRFT and Crewe B.H - two places quite known for 68s these days...

 

Just a personal opinion, but what a waste. Both parties missing out on some cross sales.
Kinda makes me not want the 90 pack nor the Crewe routes because what's the point? The routes needs the 90 and the 90 needs the routes.

 

It's a shame console users (Including myself) get the short end of the stick

 

I think it's a one way thing really. The routes wouldn't feel that different with/without the class 90 whereas the 90 will have no home in TSW aside from the WCML. Its ATS losing out more than anything

 

Agree to disagree.

 

I agree with you both parties would miss out because some people see it as well if 90 doesn't layer then I dont the 90 or the routes.

 

That is just what temps me into getting one lol

 

Technically it ran on the east coast mainline but I’m not 100% sure about which parts and we would need mk4s

 

I believe the GNER service was from Kings Cross to Leeds or York.

I'm fairly certain that they went as far as York with RES on the postal trains, maybe further north too and no Mk4s required for that one

 

They didn’t in 2020 (or whenever the only ECML route is set) though.

just to be clear. Are we saying there is a Class 90 in development and no route for it to go on?

 

Well, there was the above mentioned regular spot hire for the ECML between Kings Cross and Leeds that ended after there were sufficient Azumas in service. Class 90s also performed mail duties on the ECML in the 90s prior to the introduction of Class 325s.
But also....
Great Eastern Mainline - London to Norwich 2003-2020
Freight duties; 1989 onwards
Stratford to Ipswich. (GEML not in TSW yet)
Stratford to Willesden (Mildmay Line)
Gospel Oak to Barking (Suffragette Line)
Barking to Thames Gateway Terminal (C2C not in TSW yet).

So along with any future WCML releases or new timetables between 1988 and 2005 (passenger)/modern day (freight),post 80s ECML, the two London Overground lines and two highly requested routes that aren't in TSW yet, there's no home for these poor lonely Class 90s.

 

Be nice if the two London Overground routes could have them. I think the last time I saw 90s working in real life (other than the LSL ones) was at Camden and Gospel Oak.

 

They're regulars on the Great Eastern freights these days if you're ever near that line between Stratford and Ipswich, some of them are still wearing their de-branded Greater Anglia colours.

 

No, there is WCML South and Manchester Airport Commuter.

 

Elizabeth Line totally changed my travel across London for work, don't go that way at all now. So unless I see a pair at Stratford, I won't until my next WCML trip.

 

It's very frustrating that the 90 isn't going to layer on to what is its essentially home route! Not going to bother picking up the 90 now unless its on sale at a deep discount which is such a shame because we finally are getting a new uk freight loco but with nothing for it to run on... As for this route, will wait to see how it progresses and we get to see more of it, long route is promising but very curious to see what has been learnt from their first route and how busy the timetable is going to be

 

So what route is the 90 actually being made for.

 

WCML South & Manchester Airport Commuter

 

Can't wait for yet another timetable on WCML south then... NOT

 

Question for you, why buy the route when you could just get the loco?,

like the studio doesn’t exactly have a good rep with blurry textures, at least I can actually drive Manchester Airport commuter without 80% of the problems compared to Crewe to Birmingham

 

Blurry textures happens on every route, its not as bad on birmingham crewe now, id say its in line with any other route regarding blurry textures. I find manchester airport commuter to be a good route for some short runs but its plagued with issues as well.

Also why would I buy a loco thats just going to be another copy timetable on wcml south, cargoline packs have this problem too and its very annoying to have to essentially keep restarting progress. So out of principle im not going to purchase packs that are just going to keep copying the same timetable, duplicating it and adding nothing actually new. The 805 at least has a much busier timetable now on wcml south and would love to see content merge into that timetable instead but yeah these constant "same" timetables are just annoying and dare I say it, a bit lazy to be honest.

Not saying All Aboard is perfect as clearly they still can do with improving things but their 805 release has gone a lot smoother than the route did when that first launched, also they seem to interact with the community and listen a fair bit too. Trent Valley will tell th story though if they have learnt from their past mistakes

 

All pre tsw 3 routes (non updated ones, new timetables etc) don’t have blurry textures and there’s quite a few others without them

also for the record I don’t think it’s been confirmed to be copy, might be base or new (can’t remember anyways)

may least the class 90 is new and not just a reskinned class 801 with minor changes

 

I hope Dovetail can work on being able to swap out traction for each service in a timetable. That would be genuinely something useful that I would use as well as an official live weather option.

 

Geniunely would love to know what you consider to be only "minor changes" because I think the 805 is far from that tbh

Its all well and good the 90 being new but if theres feck all to do with it besides some runs on wcml south then seems a bit rubbish however guess we will see what gets announced fully gameplay wise, maybe ill be shocked, also depends what it gets priced at too

 

Have there been any updates on Trent Valley?
Not wanting to seem impatiently, we all know how bad the rushed out products can be!

One thing that does seem to be the case with all DTG & 3P releases is a real lack of progress reports. Amazing how on the run up to Christmas there was plenty!

 

Don't think we'll hear anything until February's roadmap

 

This is what keeps me here buddy I rather have longer routes so I stay on the sim longer I stay longer on TSC Than TSW and also hope DTG brings the graphic up to high standard because all theses years since TSW came out base game looks so washed out and watered down that's also a big issue for me and dtg thinks it's okay to put it to the back like non of us can't see it :/.