According to Google, TSW first came out on the 16th March 2017 with CSX Heavy Haul for PC and the game has grown significantly since then. However, when it comes to the history of UK commuter rail, a train that ran between 1964 - 2005 still hasn't made its debut. The BR Class 421 (4CIG) and BR Class 422 (4BIG). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_421#/media/File:1879_at_London_Charing_Cross.jpg Specifications Service: 1964 - 2005 (2010 Lymington Branch) Manufacturer: Holegate Road Carriage Works Number built: 166 (138 class 421 4CIG) and 28 Class 422 4BIG) Formation: Driving tailer + Motor Coach + Trailer/ Buffet + Driving Trailer Design Code: 4-CIG Train Length: 265ft 8.5 inches/ 80.988m Width: 9ft 3 inches/ 2.82m Height: 12ft 9.025 inches/ 3.893m Maximum Speed: 90 Mph/ 145 Km/h Weight: 150 Long Tonnes Traction Motors: 4 Power Output: 4 x 250 hp (190 kW) total 1000 hp (750kW) Electric Systems: 750 V DC Third Rail Current Collection: Contact Shoe Coupling System: Drop-Head Buckeye Track Gauge: 4ft 8.05 inches. Known by many as the 'Southern Greyhound,' these trains were everywhere in the south during their run and were used by British Rail, South West Trains, Connex South Central, Connex South Eastern, Network SouthEast, Southern and South Eastern Trains. The train ran on a third rail with contact shoe and reached a top speed of 90mph/ 145km/h and included a formation for a driving trailer, motor coach, trailer/ buffet (4BIG) and driving trailer. Its design was based on the British Railways Mk I coach, which ran between 1951 and 1963 and has the open seating layout (aisle down middle and seats either side) as well as first class compartment to the side of the aisle... Probably one of the last times first class had some real class, and not a piece of cloth on the head area of the seat like today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briti...h_Rail_CIG_Class_421_First_Class_Interior.jpg The implementation of this train along with the 4BIG can be integrated into London Commuter and East Coastway, or as part of a new route such as Hastings to London Charing Cross. With the latter in mind, this could be more interesting when the Class 421 and 375 (in Connex white and yellow livery) were running at the same time around 2003. From Hastings, the Hastings Thumper 205 and 207 could be seen going towards Ashford International and retired from service in 2004. Example Scenarios East Coastway "The Early Commute". Good morning driver. Today, you will be running a standard service between Brighton and Hastings (as far as Eastbourne unless ECW is extended), but there are minor delays at Lewes owing to earlier signalling faults. "Coast to Coast". Good morning driver. Today, you will be running a Southern/ South Central Service 421 CIG between Brighton and Seaford with holidaymakers heading to catch the Dieppe Ferry stopping off at Newhaven Harbour, so expect delays at this station. "The Seagulls". Good day driver. Today, you will be driving Brighton & Hove Albion football fans into Brighton as they head towards the Withdean Stadium near Preston Park (The team's "home" between 1999 - 2011 before moving to the Amex in 2011 in Falmer). So expect busier trains than usual particularly between Lewes and Brighton. London Commuter "London Commute". Good morning driver. Today, you will be driving fast to Haywards Heath, Gatwick Airport, Clapham Junction and London Victoria. You will be driving a 421 CIG including a coupling to a 422 BIG for the morning commute, in a 12-car formation. "Southern Staycation". Good morning driver. Today, you will be driving a semi fast route to Brighton from London Victoria, taking day trippers, weekend staycation visitors and and holidaymakers to the coast. Do be cautious of the additional stop at Preston Park as Brighton and Hove Albion are playing today at the Withdean Stadium. "Delayed Works" Good morning driver. Due to overrunning engineering works, services between Haywards Heath and Gatwick Airport will face delays and speed limits. Engineers are still on the track, make sure you make your presence known by pressing your horn as you approach. The debut of this train is overdue given its prominence to British Rail and its familiar sound when the doors are shut. It would add even more variety to TSW from the modern trains that currently populate the game and add some history to it. Bringing the 4CIG to TSW wouldn't just add variety; it would preserve a vital piece of Southern history and provide a much-needed mechanical challenge to a game currently dominated by 'computer-on-wheels' modern stock. Media Videos across different eras painting a picture of the suggested train during its time of operation. Some of which contain both 421/ 422 running during the transition period towards the 377 on East Coastway. 1. Southern Slamdoor. Brighton 1995. 2. Brighton Station 23/9/00 3. Lewes Station 13/9/03 4. 1990s London Victoria Train Station, Connex, London Transport 5. "Sir Lamiel" Visits Hastings. Not only does it show the steam locomotive, but it also shows the suggested train in the background. Its also interesting see in general and I might have been there when I was 5 years old and being terrified of the steam train. 6. Class 377 cab ride Hastings to Eastbourne Contains the 421 4CIG and white livery Connex 375. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTvoX_imfw 7. Class 421/4CIG unit cab ride Eastbourne to Haywards Heath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M78pd6fU3w0
I know, but it’s still the same thing. Passengers are getting off and slamming doors. The OP didn’t specify whether there wasn’t enough “slam” in either train or coach though. What about the Class 47 on WSR isn’t that considered a slam door train?
No. "Slamdoor" is a railway term used exclusively for powered multiple units. I have car doors that slam shut, I do not have a "Slamdoor car". I appreciate that you're enjoying splitting hairs here, but pointing out that other types of traction have doors that can be slammed shut is just silly. Back to the suggestion. It would seem to make more sense to have Southern slamdoor electric multiple units as we already have several Southern routes in TSW. But given that Southern got all the slamdoors in TSC, I think it is about time the AC slamdoors (302/304/305/307/308/309/310/312) got a look-in on an electric Eastern or Midland Region route in TSW. Share it around a bit. Especially as there's no TSW on Eastern region routes out of the capital at the moment. As some of you will have heard me mention, in passing, at some point over the last 10 years. Happy 10th birthday TSW, please don't be a stranger for too much longer.
Thanks god we all have a different of opinions. You’re right about the 47, that’s was incorrect, but slam door trains are both exclusive to DMU and EMU. The Class 101, that’s not a “powered multiple unit”. That’s considered a DMU with an old fashioned gear system. Not exactly powerful.
Terminology is still interesting because it's a product of railway history. From the very beginning of the automotrice concept (EMU), these were vehicles primarily intended for local stopping services, hence the importance of having a suitable door system. This applies to autorails (DMU) too. The use of slamming doors on these vehicles quickly became an anachronism (I'm speaking generally, not just in the UK). So I suppose this feature eventually came to define them exclusively and not, for example, the Mk1s coaches, as it still was common practice for loco-hauled stock to be fitted with slamming doors (regardless the number per coach). It's worth noting that, on the other side of the Channel, the designation portières latérales applies to both EMU and loco-hauled stock. Those that weren't refurbished to replace the opening outwards doors went for scrap in the early 60's. Take a look at this beautiful old lady https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_4000#/media/Fichier:PO_Z_23021-27.jpg
Even a little power means it's a powered multiple unit. Diss the 101s all you like but they were the most successful type of 1st generation DMU at a time when there wasn't money to build thousands of Diesel Electrics to replace steam traction on rural lines. Likewise many of the 1st Gen British Rail EMUs were pretty basic trains that didn't have particularly good performance but they did their job and all slamdoors were considerably more interesting and challenging to drive than any Electrostar or Desiro will ever be.
People would only complain for it being too modern I should imagine it coming to game one day though.
I've driven many of the ICE units in TSW and TSC. Getting the ICE4 would be a newer version of things we already have. To me the ICE trains all feel the same once I'm in the cab. Whereas getting AC slam-door EMUs would be a completely new experience because we've never had any of them in TSC or TSW.
I find the reasoning you’re giving here quite difficult to follow. You could just as well argue that we have slam‑door wagons and that they feel the same as slam‑door trains. The way you’re explaining it mainly comes across as you wanting it to be true and then looking for an excuse to justify it. I also don’t think these will be made. There are basically no places where you can get sound recordings or good detailed photos. There are still plenty of places where you can get reference material for wagons. And I think you really should take a trip to Germany and ride an ICE 4 sometime or an ICE in general because they definitely don’t look and feel the same and there are many major differences between them. I think it’s more a comment from someone who simply doesn’t care!
No, I think it's probably best to put the method of passenger access to one side for a moment for it's just a generic name given to a generation of rolling stock that many of us drove, commuted in and were an integral part of life, well, certainly here in the South East but also the West Midlands and North West of England between the 1950s and 2005. They were heavy, two handled trains that take a bit of effort to control, they required skillful driving as gradients really affected their performance. They had noisy compressors, loud traction motors and, of course, the distinctive slam of the doors at each stop. Guards had a greater role too, storing bikes and wheelchairs in the brake van, checking all the doors are shut before ringing the bell then battling through the cramped saloons to check tickets. So they happened to have slam-doors like other things like wagons, cars and houses have, but it's a whole generation of EMUs that's the real issue here and you could make a similar case for the MK3 sliding door trains that lived alongside them. Yes there are other things in TSW that have doors that slide, like lifts and other trains, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have any MK3 EMUs in the game. There are some authentic sounds available. AP recorded the Class 508 compressors as they were used on the Class 312s, there are coaches of the AM classes from which physical sounds can be (and have been) recorded and some preserved Southern EMUs from which motor, transmission, traction and brake sounds can be obtained. Though I'll admit that I don't really have the same level of interest as you in ICE trains but I've been on them on my many trips to Germany, they were really just okay in my opinion. It's not that I don't care about them in particular or an issue I have with German trains in general, I'm just not as interested in modern high speed trains as others. I can't immediately tell one class of our own IETs from another. They're just streamlined computers on wheels compared to old trains to me.
Sorry, forgot to credit our Scottish friends who had a brief opportunity to enjoy 1960-1990s London-style commutes from North Berwick to Edinburgh when a small number of Class 305s provided cover until the arrival of Class 322s from Essex in 2002. Though not the first appearance of London "Slammers" in Scotland as several Class 302s were used to test the new AC overhead wires in Glasgow before the arrival of their Class 303s. Here's one a long way from home in Glasgow in 1959. These units had already made history as the first 25kv AC electric units in the UK when they served on the Clacton branch in 1958, they would also be used on Manchester services, West Anglia and kept the Great Eastern service running while the AM6 and 7s were converted from DC to AC in 1960/1. And that's all before they were "introduced" on their intended line, the LTS in 1962.
