Wcml Preston To Crewe Discussion

It was the discussion regarding the 47 liveries at the top of the page As the photos were also posted

 

It makes sense they wouldn't have an "update" to share if it's been sitting in DTG's hands.
Some of it is QC, but mostly I think it's just timing. You can't keep releasing content one on top of another or new content may cannibalize other stuff being sold. If it came out today for example, the other route out this week would compete for money.
Same reason studios don't release all their movies at once.
You have to hype and push people to buy them one after another spread out.

 

You missed this earlier in the thread then: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/wcml-preston-to-crewe-discussion.93269/page-11#post-1069706

 

So now aws on this route? Same era as wcmlos?

 

Why is someone to blame? I suspect that there will be a queue to blame DTG but if it turned out to be something of JT's making that queue would disappear and everything would be fine.

How do you know that JT didn't say to DTG the Preston to Crewe route can be announced now?

I don't see why it matters, it is clearly in developement if it comes next week or next December I don't see the problem. Give them time to get it right, we all know the hullabaloo there would be on here if it got released too early.

When there are no announcements for a period it is a problem, when something is announced, that then becomes a problem. The fickleness of this forum is crazy sometimes.

 

Sorry I wasn't meaning to come across in that way at all! You're totally right it doesn't matter at all and insinuating fault like that was a poor choice of words so have removed my comment

I just mean as it has been in the 0-3 months since August something must have changed as I thought we'd be getting a few more bits ramping is up similar to BPO and WCMLOS. Especially now that the Cumbrian route has been announced and shifted the focus, it all seems a little oddly placed. If things have needed to be moved around then that's fine, if they need more time then great go for it. But we also know that's there's been a massive backlog with the DTG QA process from AAS and JT so I don't think it's wrong to speculate that could be the cause or to discuss that. Because the QA backlog lead to a lot of issues with new content releasing in TSW6 without TSW6 features.

Not everything is a complaint, although I can accept that my poor choice of words could've made it seem that way. But I'm sure JT will do a great job as they always do and I can't wait for the updates to drop in as I'm really excited for this one!

 

I suppose one possibility is that JT have expanded and have more than one team working on route and train building. Could explain where the people working on the TSC Highland Main Line project were redeployed to. Though that said, are these people employed directly by JT or are they simply a loose consortium of individuals making the content in their spare time, with JT primarily just the publisher?

 

JT being part of JustFlight, which hired one average person during FY23-4 so they definitely expanded

 

Looks like FTEs?
"Full Time Equivalents"?
So might be full time or not as long as it adds up to the equivalent of 24 "full time" employees.

 

Hey JT, hurry up and let me give you money. I'm begging you, let me give you money

 

I am looking forward to this route, especially the updated class 20's and 47, I am sure there will be some news soon. I must admit I am even more looking forward to the Cumbrian route, especially getting another first generation DMU.

 

They will release it when it’s finished and ready to go. They have proved their quality with past offerings so they will get plenty of our money with their £32.99 release. My wallet is waiting as usual.

 

Given there's no Roadmap until February, unless we get a standalone pre release presentation I certainly can't see any of the *bublbling under" titles releasing until March at the earliest.

Allows time to reinflate my Steam Wallet balance!

 

And it's that exact quality which is making me so eager!

 

I suspect its caught up in the DTG QA backlog which wont be helped by the Seasonal shutdown.

 

Ah another case of the 86 curse /j

 

Sorry to come back to this so late... I was messing around on foot at Preston with the sleeper services and noticed that Euston/Inverness service, 1S25, started just before Preston at a red signal.... at first I thought it was a timetable bug until the signal on platform 3 changed from amber and then green and then the train ran straight through the platform. I went back into timetable and it starts at a red signal like 2 signals before Preston, and then you drive non-stop to Carlisle

My point with this is that with JT implementing that, I reckon that there's a good chance that some of the services that stop at Preston but not at Crewe might actually be playable by being held at a red signal briefly before Crewe. I'm obviously speculating but that would be awesome to have an IC service that you can thrash through Crewe with.

 

I would love that too, but you have people who say "we won't do that, every service should be started on foot, ie from a platform" (seen on this forum)...

 

thing is with starting on foot every service on the JT routes starts at 0MPH and dose have some weird results, compared with doing a service from the menu. i cannot be sure if this is a JT related issue or one that can found through all routes, from all developers. but starting on foot on shap route has caused some issues in the past.

 

Yeah I suggested something similar quite a while back, just have them start/stop a bit further south alongside Basford Hall (since that's going to be modelled anyway). I think the freight services for WCMLSouth start just outside MK for the same reason. Though to be honest, I would prefer they start/end at a red signal on the through roads, a more logical crew change point

I don't think I can hold on until March, especially as I've got leave booked for the start of March and I know JT love to release their DLC days after I finish my leave and have to go back to work :/

 

Does anyone have an idea when we might be given some more info about the (hopefully) impending release of this route? No news is good news, but in this case the radio silence is making me nervous. Obviously I (and JT) would like it released as close to bug free as possible, but even an indication of its progress would be most welcome. Keeping me on tenterhooks for what is for me the most highly anticipated release ever for TSW, is draining me!

 

February mostly likely but they might do a dev log before the end of the month who knows

 

Sometime in the future. Anyone saying anything more precise is simply guessing.

Calm down, no news just means no news.

JT publish a development blog whenever there's anything new to say on progress. That's as close to a running commentary as you're going to get.

...is the right answer.

 

You are of course correct though if we look at the difference between the development blog for Shap vs Preston-Crewe there is a massive contrast, Shap was almost fortnightly with detailed looks at the stations along the route as well as the occasional bit on the rolling stock, P2C however is a lot quieter. I'm not worried, perhaps they let their "blogger" go or redirected them onto another project. Though I'm sure that I and many others would be happy to see a new screenshot every few weeks. The only real "concern" is that based on the roadmap it is now overdue by a couple of months, hopefully it's just the JT team giving it a good polish or adding last minute bits

The tell-tale sign that the release is a few weeks away would be when TrainSim TV start doing their preview streams, given that they have been involved in the creation and development of those routes they really like to showcase them in the buildup, so far there's nothing so it's not as close as we'd hoped.

Those TSTV streams do work wonders though, if I hadn't have stumbled on their previews of Blackpool Branches I'd never have bought TSW4 and stuck with TSC...

 

I really hope train announcements are automatic, I’d really hate if you have to toggle them whenever you want to hear them. It’s one of the reasons I didn’t buy the 142 pacer pack.

 

Would trains from that time even have automatic announcements? I honestly don't know hence I'm asking.

 

There is a popular story that the station master at Linlithgow on the Edinburgh & Glasgow Railway in the 1840s had a pet parrot.

150/153 have on-board train announcements IRL. It maybe more realistic to toggle them, but I still think the option to have them playing automatic should be a choice.

 

Automatic announcements were fairly new then. Not widespread across the network.

 

There was a tape based system on the Southern region, but I'm not sure it was taken up by the London Midland region during the era this route is set. From the videos I've seen taken at the time around Preston it seems to all be done with manual announcements.

https://automatedannouncements.fandom.com/wiki/Infomat

Interestingly, I found this very early system used at Folkstone harbour using an old 78, but it's for general announcements rather than specific train announcements, which probably would have still been done manually:

 

None of the trains on this route would have had automatic announcement in this era, and the manual announcements made by the guard would not be audible in the cab.

 

I'm not even sure the non aircon Mark 2's had PA either, if they did, probably only the C's.

 

As for on train announcements, it would have certainly been manual if there was a PA at all. I believe the Networkers were the first trains to have an automated announcement system, and it might have not even been the original 465s but the slightly later 365s.

 

Yes, I know that, but when it comes to quality of life features, having the announcements automatic really makes my life easier as a player. I’m on console after all too, I can’t flick my mouse willy nilly like on PC. I want to hear them, but not make it where it’s a chore for me. Like I said in a previous post, it should be optional for the player to choose authentic (era set) or automatic. I’ll be very disappointed if announcements aren’t automatic in the upcoming JT route. Give the player a choice, that’s all I’m saying.

 

So there wasn't an update today, ***** ***** ****** ****** raced home from work hoping for something, a new screenshot teaser or something but alas nope :/

 

It wasn’t a roadmap today. The roadmap is on the 10th, idk what you were expecting.

 

There is an update on this route on the 10th in the roadmap article as of what Alex said

 

Uh I was expecting the Roadmap, I don't get why it's not out on the first week of the month but the second, especially given it's been quiet due to Christmas. Though digging around (and you really have to on here as things get buried very quickly) it seems that roadmaps are always on the second week, doesn't really make sense but whatever, I'd just forgotten due to how long it's been since the previous one.

 

It will come round sooner than you know, just hope it's a good update and it's not too far off, fingers crossed. Always good having a holibob in Jan eases the wait I'm between bern and Geneva right now.

 

https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/west-coast-main-line-crewe-preston

Latest update

 

Looking very good, glad we've had some more on the various branches!

 

I'm glad to have seen the update, but am disappointed that it's still sat in the 0-3 month window on the roadmap with no release date in sight. JT's dev blog says that the next blog post will look at Warrington in more detail which suggests the wait is still going to be a lot longer than we had thought/feared

For the record, I'm not wanting them to rush it, just that it's been in the 0-3 month window since at least October though unlike the 104 for Peak Forest at least we know this one will come out eventually

 

On Discord, JT Benedict (I think) says they're still working on the timetable so do not think it is coming in the next month.

 

It has been on the 0-3 months list since TSW6 was announced in Sept! It looks really good so far and I am really looking forward to the route but the inaccurate timescales are a little frustrating.

 

I'm thinking it's probably April now given there will need to be QA time too, but in a sense it works a little better as we won't have a rush of DLC all coming out at the same time hopefully, plus still probably plenty of time to explore the route before the Cumbrian coast one comes out

 

Well, better postponed than rushed out I guess...

 

The thing is, an I understand that we are all different and want different things but I'm personally not bothered by there being a huge amount of DLC all coming within a few weeks as I and others will only be interested in one or two items, so there isn't a sudden hit to one's wallet. They could release 5 German routes next week and I'd just shrug my shoulders, I tried a few German routes and they are not for me, I tried the Dutch route and while it and the train was very nice, again it's not for me. Of course there will be others who don't want that as they want all of that DLC and the hit of them coming out en-masse would be a bit much for them, swings and roundabouts really :/

Having to wait for DTG to allow one DLC a month to release? I hope they don't try that.

As I said previously somewhere up the thread, I'd put money on this coming out within a day or to of me coming back from my 21+ days leave in March

 

The 0-3 months section contains 11 DLC. If that really all comes out in 0-3 months (yeah, right!), that is 1 per week.

 

I'm personally only really interested in Preston - Crewe and perhaps the Czech route out of that tranche, it's more that I hope each DLC gets its time in the spotlight and a chance to sell well rather than being crowded out in one big rush. Sod's law is that it'll come out after your holiday though haha!

 

In this case I can wait and buy it right after release, still enjoying the other JT routes

 

Good news everyone we got more photos for Wcml Preston to crewe