Just for that they should backdate it even more, also overhead wires would ruin the good parts of the route if they ever go pass the forth railroad bridge. not every bloody route has to be up to date
I wouldn't mind having several versions of the same route. After all, as someone said elsewhere, today's present is tomorrow's past.
Ruin the route how exactly? All I see is more options to drive more trains and create a busier route. Oh yeah I forgot it would be too modern, maybe back dating the route to the 18th century is better.
My mistake, I talked about Class 385. Saw no 350s. You could also just create a busier route by adding trains. No need for electrification Unfortunately what I found when collecting ingame data is most certainly not a real timetable, not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. (The timetable just does not make much sense.) The route could definitely be much busier just by adding more trains / making a timetable based on a real WTT
Just my opinion of course, but I've never found OHLE to be very pleasing to the eyes. Neither in the sim nor in the real world. I much prefer either non-electrified or third rail, which makes the scenery aesthetically a lot more pleasing to look at.
It’s a coastal route so the bloody overhead wire poles with ruin the view of the coast. take your modern stuff and put in a different route
Dubbed = Fake Class 397s TransPennine Express Edinburgh - Manchester Airport (Edinburgh - Haymarket) 4 mins journey time As per Manchester Commuter.
Think I posted previously that the Skyhook timetable is very deficient, very few trains after about 1800 when in reality there is an intensive service pretty much through to midnight, even on the Leven branch.
Really hope they either fix this or when the I7C is released that we get a full timetable. Very nearly cracking route(maybe biased as local to me)
If it was a separate route then fine. If they changed the time period by adding OHEL and thus rendering the class 158/170 unsuitable then for me it's a no. We have enough electric routes it's nice to have a modern diesel route. Same argument for GWE. I see posts saying it should be rebuilt and electrified all the way to Reading. Why? I like the diesel networkers. As a separate DLC then it would be fine.
Didn't they use an emergency timetable if I recall? It's a shame as neither the original timetable or the Skyhook one seem particularly busy. Maybe it will get an update with this HST we aren't supposed to know about!
It’s an interesting conversation regarding this OLE business, especially because there is no planned OLE installation both IRL & in game. In terms of making the route more modern, or being against it - the point is mute. It’s one of (if not the) most modern iterations of a route with have in game after the Leven update. Seems weird to have a back and forth over wanting/not wanting an update that’s already happened. In terms of further modernisation it will (as discussed above) be in the form of battery operated trains, so for TSW if any such update would happen, it will be little more than a layer or new TT. IMO this subject matter of modern vs old is always too kneejerky rather than a decent conversation. In the case of Fife Circle we got an entire new branch for free & it clearly didn’t ruin the route ambiance on account of people missing the fact that it’s the most modern route in the game.
I thought the battery section would only be for the Forth bridge and the rest of the route OHL. Maybe that isn't the case. I wasn't arguing against the era, it's fine as it is. But there seemed to be an assertion that route should be "modernised" at some point with OHL.
Certainly an interesting idea for that dilemma, but I imagine it would be something that ends up in OLE rollout over the bridge anyway, or just going with a battery fleet & no OLE for most of Fife. Or of course they do what most other operators are doing & stick with diesel/electric bi-modes. As usual with these ideas though, I doubt anything will come to fruition in the next decade, at least.
That’s understandable. For me though it would be what’s true to its real life counter-part, so when the IRL route does get the OHLE upgrade I’d hope Fife gets a complete makeover. Plus that extension to Dundee. I agree, I think the GWE remaster has a lot of character being partially electrified with OHLE. As long as I can drive my green cucumber on it then I’m happy with that
It was me that originally thought they used an emergency timetable. This turned out to be wrong, as even the emergency timetable had less gaps than than the one Skyhook provided.
Ah okay. Maybe they should have used the emergency one then! It's better in parts but worse in others. Skyhook seem to have gone a little quiet so maybe things are happening in the background.
Actually that might be pretty cool tbf Maybe not the 18th century, but didn't Britain have a lot more tracks in the 1950s and 60s before the beeching cuts? I wonder how busy it could be with even greater track options compared to now
I would say there is more track/lines now. Using London as an example. In that era (50/60’s) it was probably more condensed with a cluster of lines in a particular area, then branching out on singular lines to other area’s of the country. That would be my take, but I’m not really qualified to answer that question. Not an era I’ve researched or I’m interested in.
Yes Britain had many more railways before the Beeching cuts. Not just country branch lines but many urban and secondary lines disappeared as well as the UK's newest main line.
The GB rail network is just over half the size it was 66 years ago. In 1960, there were approximately 18,000 of railway routes in Britain. In 2022, there were 9,864 miles. Also, for comparison. In 1960, there were approximately 14,000 steam, electric & diesel locos, 3,000 DMUs and 1,500 EMUs. I'd be more specific with the numbers but I've just about had it with spreadsheets for today. At the start of 2025 (I'm still putting data together for 2026) there were 1,206 locomotives, 2789 EMUs and 1,197 DMUs, though obviously multiple unit numbers don't take into account that there are a lot of units that are longer than 4 or 5 cars these days.
Pff, more efficient and reliable than ancient traction. Train spotting? Go to a train museum and fill your boots.
yeah whatever, your plastic made trains can’t even run without huge problems during a light rain never saw a 43 or 91 struggle in the same conditions
Regarding the OHLE installation of Fife circle, it is most definitely happening as we speak. Stanchions have been installed months ago at least from Haymarket West Jct past the airport to Dalmeny, however I’m unsure if any have been installed in Fife as yet. There was a mini exhibition last year about the Forth crossings, and it was mentioned that there was no viable solution for OHLE on “The Bridge”, due to clearance issues with structural steelwork. The fact it’s a listed structure would also complicate matters I image. Therefore the battery-electric trains is the way forward for the route. As for the aesthetics, yes the complex areas of OHLE do rather get in the way, especially on picturesque rural routes, but I grew up near the WCML, so it’s all I’ve ever known, and nobody is allowed to steal JT’s 86s and 87s from me! As an aside, this is my local route, but I’m holding out for massive sale (Xbox user - woe is me) almost to punish Rivet for the appalling state it was initially released in.
Maybe Rivet can do something like they did with the Island Line, one version with the old stock and a more modern version with new stock. To be honest, I think it's a bad idea to upgrade a route to a moderner era and you can't play the older one. When for example the Niddertalbahn gets an upgrade and only new stock is running on the line, I wouldn't be happy. However I would love to see a modern Niddertalbahn, but I also like to keep the old one.
Half the 800s need repaired every few months compared to the older stuff that could go years without repairing/ taking out of service
Yup it’s going as far as Dalmeny & no further (though I will add even that project end date has come & gone). As for where it comes upto on the other side of the bridge, nothing is concrete yet other than sections they’d like to do. They’re some way off anything actually happening.
Final Boss dog will always prevail. Anyhow it’s kind of derailing in here. Let’s get back on track and keep this about Fife circle. If Rivet were to update this route again I wonder if they would add in the OHLE From Edinburgh to Dalmeny. If they were to extend even further up north this would be a good time to update the Edinburgh part. Not getting my hopes up though… Another thing that interests me is DTG were originally going to do Edinburgh - Dundee for TSW but they handed it over to Rivet. Does anyone think this route would have been better if DTG had developed it instead ????.
Knowing that now I wish DTG built the route instead. As pointed out by others, the stretch between Markinch to Dundee would’ve added an extra 19 miles. Markinch is another one of those cases of routes ending in illogical places.
That's one of the things that annoyed me a bit. Fife Circle released not too long after Gospel Oak to Barking, which is one of the most well-executed routes Dovetail has ever made, whereas on Fife Circle the included train has horrific run sounds, the timetable was completely wrong, and we had to wait what felt like a decade to drive the class 158 on it, only for that timetable to feel like it had been thrown together in ten minutes. To be honest, Fife Circle was one of my dream routes, and when it was initially announced I was more excited for it than I had been for more than any other route. If it was made to the same standard as GOBLIN then it'd no doubt be one of my favourites. However I have barely touched it due to it's current state.
It was one of my favourite routes in TSC & yeah, disappointed to say the least when it comes to TSW’s version. It’s certainly improved but the 170 on that route & the route itself still leaves a lot to be desired. The 158 TT was the cherry on top for the whole debacle.
Still one of my favourite routes, hope the mythical technically unannounced Scotrail HST turns up one day.
Yes. I’ve been wondering about that HST also. Do you think it will be included in the upcoming HST farewell pack from Grump studios ?.
So IETs are replacing every other type of train in the UK? Well, not here in East Anglia. In 10 years' time we'll still have these high speed trains and driving them is very different to driving an IET.
Cool, I’m in Scotland on one of the lines that uses the class 43, we actually had a class 37 on the Caledonian sleeper today
