What Happened With The Hell Gate Bridge ? :(

Dovetail just uploaded the route showcase video, and boy... I love the New Haven Line a lot but it's going to be hard to order it... I feel like the scenery is really really hit and miss for it/ Take a look at the differences between the real thing, the one in TSW 2020 and the one for the soon to be released route:
IRL:

Copyright "Noki Va"

Copyright "Rob Zand"
Now for TSW 2020:
Found here
And the one from the new route :
Found in the video.

Honestly, for me, even the 2020 version is better... What happened ??

 

WIP perhaps

 

DTG really needs to work on texturing objects - some look like they don't have their own texture at all, just material from a 3D editor applied.

 

You’ll find out in the post release preview

 

This just looks an awful lot like the way I always complain about TOD4 lighting just blasting all the texture out of stuff. It's probably using the 2020 textures, but you can't tell because of how washed out it is.

 

The bridge looks brilliant but the colours look pretty washed out VS TSW2020. You can see the difference. TSW has had this ever since TOD4 and especially at certain times of the day such as the afternoon or mornings when it’s clear weather. The only time you get strong vibrant colours is during evenings while the sun sets. I feel like this is where TSW could really do with an improvement.

 

The draw distance does seem EXCEEDINGLY short there.

 

I don’t think that’s a draw distance issue sadly… they probably just haven’t modelled tall NYC buildings where they should be.

As said above though it could be a WIP screenshot.

 

"Post-release preview"?

Actually, for those of us who procrastinate too much, I could see that being a thing.

 

The scenery behind the bridge seems quite bad


Where are the buildings

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the river literally cuts off along a straight line and you can see the ground under it.

 

Yeah I see what you mean. You could be right

 

Either way, it is definitely a matter of concern.

 

Anyone else getting Rivet Games vibes? I wonder...

 

To me it looks like a regular DTG

 

Tyler is going to be on the post release preview, so I’d imagine Rivet have had some involvement.

 

but was rivet directly involved in the route development? wasn't it just tyler who created the scenarios and the timetable for it?
btw, tyler work on class 170 pack was good

 

The scenary is very lacking there. Should be tons of tall buildings. Not quiet countryside lol.

 

Here’s another view. Looks a little bit better from this angle but still not quite like the real version of the city. I love how they modelled the Freedom Tower. Nice detail. Can’t see the Empire State Building though….

 

Yeah much better, they really captured that giant void in the middle of the city.

They’ve done NYC way too many times for it to be looking this bad, and now they have the gall to charge premium pricing for it too.

 

Tune into tomorrows stream. We will be running an amtrak service along this stretch and you might be happily surprised . To be clear, preview photos are approved sometimes a decent chunk of time before development ends.

 

I mean yeah, but often they’re just what we’re going to get, and it perplexes me that DTG are unable to get more upto date versions?

This is the media being used to show the route off. It’s not doing a very good job.

 

I really hope you're right ! Thanks for the info

 

i really do hope thats not the case. or else how is it worth this much for just copying the old asset and placing it in this new one. DTG Alex DTG Harry DTG JD DTG Matt The lightning especially in grand central terminal, doesn't even feel right at all. I been saying this so many time and they still haven't fix it at all. This is not good DTG Team I am happy that you finally did the stamford line, but there are some work that still need to be work on.

 

Isn’t it just an updated version of 2020? Don’t think it was built from scratch. Def looks like a WIP since manhattan is missing buildings that were shown in a newer screenshot.

 

Yea this is a much better representation of what to expect. I wish they would had shown other captures that were taken. But before you buy please tune in to the stream and that should make it easier to make your decision

 

Oh don’t worry I’m still buying this route. The teaser video looked really good. Been looking forward to this since it was announced.

 

Just going to say that after watching the showcase video I'm not impressed at all.
Hope that, as Max1319 says, the DLC is better than what was shown in the showcase video.

If that is the case, wonder why they make showcase videos that present the product as something that is worse than what is actually released. Makes no sense.

 

this has rivet games written all over it that bridge structure reminds me of the fife circle houses textures.

 

There's a DLSS5 meme in here, somewhere....

 

Nobody seems notice this screenshot.

 

bridge still has the same bland textures on the brick structure regardless of it being darker and zoomed away

 

I was talking about the background scenery.

 

So I can't show any photos at the moment, but I did get up close to the bridge asset. Up close and as you are driving, it is pretty detailed compared to the clip from the preview. You can see the individual stones for example.

I think it was the lighting, the distance of the camera, and possibly video compression that affected the look of the asset in the clip.

We will make sure to take a look during the stream tomorrow.

 

it could be pre post before everything else was finalize which they decide to not go through all trouble to get a better representation. I hope that won't be the case.

 

ok i did not see this screenshot. still the lightening in grand central terminal is still wrong and weird. Doesn't feel like the same vibe as the real one.

 

It looks fine to me.

 

I don't know why but i feel that lighting in grand central terminal does not look correct, it doesn't feel like grand central terminal at all. If anyone have a insight to this please feel free to answer, cause when i look at grand central terminal photo that they posted the lightning still seem wrong. the lower level as well. Does anyone know if the grand hall for grand central terminal where the clock and schedule or the main hall be in this route for us to explore or not? Anyway so excited for this route, i hope the sound of the train and everything is amazing, also where is the PSA announcement, platform announcement and train announcement?

this is what i mean by the lightening is wrong.



compare to the in game

it look so weird and make the ambient and feeling so wrong.

 

here is a video of how the lightening suppose to be

 

really? did you saw my post from the other thread. In case you didn't i repost it here.

 

As someone that walks through there several times a week, it could be darker. But other than that it’s pretty close. And to be honest I don’t know that I’d want it to be darker because in real life you still see the details, but in the game you aren’t able to see them when there isn’t enough light.

 

thanks for the comparison yeah the sim lighting does look off and to bright;

 

Played a bit Harlem Line (originally released for TSW2). Compared Harlem 125th Street with the new version shown in the accelerated video posted in the DTLive article by DTG. I would say it is 100% reused, with the exception of the blue litter-box that is a collectible and probably replaced for something else in the new route. Colors are a bit different too, probably because everything has been adapted for TOD4.

What I'm expecting right now is that all the area that was present in the original Harlem Line DLC has been reused, adapted to TOD4. All the scenery above GCT has been improved using assets from the Morristown DLC (this is OK, as it is recent). Of course they also added the extra floor at GCT. It is kind of the USA version of the Riesa - Dresden -> Leipzig - Dresden operation. Including having to keep both routes in your hard drive because you need the layers.

The timetable seems good, but the Harlem Line DLC is pretty much mandatory to get the M7A and M3A. Without these the Harlem part of the DLC is going to be a ghost town. No wonder why they are making a bundle with it and the Acela.

If we jump to the Penn side of the line, we need to buy Morristown Line, NJ TRANSIT ALP-45, LIRR Commuter and LIRR M3 to fill it. These have no discount right now.

Other than that, it is great that the SD40-2 is included for the freight services. For sure the timetable is going to be the highlight of this DLC, but a lot of it is needed and it will be very noticeable if any of it isnt there.

If the Hell Gate bridge has been improved, and there are no other assets that look as bad as that bridge looks in the screenshot we have, this is probably an OK-ish, not terrible, DLC but probably not worth paying 40€. For sure not for those that do not own the layers. Not with all the other excellent quality DLCs that have released this month and the ones that are coming next week that are selling at the same price.

Unless the complete your collection bundle discount is really awesome this is going to be an easy "wait for a good sale" material.

 

I’ve deep reservations about this route and getting strong NEC Trenton to New York vibes about it. It’s in the sale pile for me and the more I see the more heavily discounted it will need to be before I purchase.

 

Shades of Cardiff Central too where they CBA to model the downstairs concourse or the station frontage. A decision then apparently defended by the EP, IIRC. A worrying development for the future of US routes if these are also being outsourced. What on earth happened to the internal route building teams? Oh, hang on - Sodor and Metro Rivals…

This was never going to be a Day One purchase for me, but anything with “R” on it whether train or route is a huge red flag.

 

Remember,Grand Central terminal is the biggest terminal in TSW . With the amount of trains ,tracks and just scenery assets you have to be very careful with performance. With that said imo the lighting is actually very well done

 

The bridge is over 8 miles from GC terminal so performance won’t be an issue with the scenery loading for the bridge etc lol.

as for the lighting you can see the difference between sim and real life. Whilst DTG does it best with the lighting and UE it is far from accurate.

 

I’m referring to the lighting inside Grand central terminal.

 

Yeah the engine can cope fine with lighting. What causes performance issues is the AI. It’s released on console now so I am sure we will get reports soon from actual players and not the usual ambassadors selling it to us.

 

Lighting perfect lol its underground station,its from ambassador