Out Now Br Class 90 Freight Loco - Out Now!

DTG Jan Please supply a link as it isn’t available in Microsoft Store website

 

https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/st...lectric-freight-loco-add-on/9N2TJ0NL4ZMK/0010

 

Only one route, a handful of services, yet another unnecessary timetable option and no access to the engine room, it's going to be something I'll purchase when it's reduced in price.

 

Thank youso much rysgaming#8234.

It eventually appeared at 10.20am

 

ps5 user
Already broken
The yellow light won’t go off
U have to click the button in cab to turn off
Can’t use the controller
When does move ..it randomly puts e brake on

 

It was available straight away for me which was a surprise given its taken quite a while to appear more recently

 

Pressing circle on PS5 doesnt cancel AWS alarms. Have to click manually. DSD seems to empty brake pressure when setting loco up then it doesn’t move. Seems ok when you switch it on when moving. Could be my error in setting up incorrectly. AWS issue is annoying though.

Timetable and lack of services is not great. I’ve now got the 805 , Nuclear and now the class 90 all in separate timetables. Can’t run together. Needs sorting.

 

Will give it a miss as its only on 1 route

 

if i could use this on B2C, as well as expect it on TVL on day one then id certainly be picking it up but for now i’ll wait for a sale. the prospect of yet another wcmls timetable isn’t the most thrilling either

 

Yeah is annoying ..the safety stuff needs fixing …works fine without it

 

Same as above, you also don’t get the full 65 points if you have saftey systems on

ps5

 

having similar issues to others here, using circle on the PS5 controller doesnt interact with the AWS and DSD is squiffy at best.
For $24 aussie kangaroos am i out of line in expecting that at least the very basic safety system functions would work as intended? and i dont know if its just a coincidence or perhaps fate, but ATS making comments about being able to do TSW better than TSW developers and then having both their first two DLC releasing with "the wrong build" is just delicious irony (if thats what its called)

 

Just did my first run with the new Class 90 and wanted to drop some feedback. To start with the positives, the loco model itself looks really good and the running sounds are fine. But unfortunately, that is where the good stuff ends for me.
I am playing on PS5 and you cannot acknowledge the AWS and DSD with the Circle button. The button just does not do anything. This is incredibly annoying because it basically forces you to play with the safety systems turned off.
There is also a really weird jitter with the physics. If you move the throttle from Notch 0 to Notch 1, or from Notch 1 back down to 0, the train suddenly brakes really hard or jerks forward with a lot of power for a split second. The exact same thing happens with the brakes when moving between 0 and 1. I don't know if this is intentional behavior or if I am just doing something wrong, but in my opinion, it really shouldn't act like this. It makes smooth driving impossible.
But my biggest issue is the separate timetable. There is a noticeable downgrade in the overall amount of services compared to the base timetable. I kind of understand reducing traffic because the performance on the West Coast Main Line is already pretty bad, but even with this downgraded timetable, the performance is still really poor for me.
What makes this release especially disappointing is how incredibly limited it is. The Class 90 is only available on one single route, and even on that specific route, it only has about 15 to 20 playable services. Having a separate timetable that removes traffic, combined with being locked to just one route with barely any services to drive, makes this a really poor release in my opinion.

 

I'm currently doing 4L49. I'm halfway through and haven't seen one other train. This is meant to be the WCML just north of the capital city at 7.30 am!!

Finally passed a stationary 350 at Tring!

 

are we sure that this DLC hasnt been accidentaly given the "reduced 8th gen" WCML timetable... i mean, i remember playing WCML South on the PS4 pro and it was just as empty as this timetable is.. the default timetable feels busier and thats pretty dead too, the ideal situation would be for everyone to pull their fingers out and combine these 5 different timetables into one actually decent one..

 

Glad i gave this one a miss for now.

Being unable to play with safety systems on with a controller is unacceptable imo.

How'd nobody notice such a huge bug?

 

I think they'll lose about half their potential sales revenue by releasing for just one small route. Many will still get it, but only for a significant discount. Other won't bother. Essentially you're buy a loco only good for "free roam" which is very limited. Maybe it is a hassle to work with other third parties, but if they can get on DTG's West Coast, then they could easily put it on DTG's ECML and SEHS at a minimum without any hassle. A number of substitutions would be viable too.

As it stands, it holds little playable value for most players.
It's like a shiny sports car that you can't drive further than the end of your street.

 

'Accidentally' is an interesting word...... I'd go with 'intentional to avoid blurry textures'...... In order to check the timetable take a look at Wembley yard, empty, and the overground and underground timetables, reduced.

 

ATS are aware of the issue, it’s seems they’ve pushed out the wrong build

 

so.. that would be both of ATS's train sim world DLC that have had the wrong build released..
The MAC and it's lauch issues (train lights, balast mountains, etc) were due to the wrong build being pushed and now this ALSO has had the wrong build pushed.. how? how does that happen... twice... surely after you make the mistake once you put some control in place to make sure it doesnt happen again...

Its a shame that we cant pay for the "wrong build" with "work in progress currency"

 

Again.

 

Was really looking forward to this when it was announced and was ready for day one purchase but the fact it's only available on one route with yet another separate TT and a heavily slashed one by the sounds of it, I think I'll swerve unless something is done about layering on other routes/Timetables, as I'm on PC, hopefully there will be a mod to substitue the 66 for the 90 where applicable

Disappointed

 

"Wrong build" must just be DTG's internal joke for any launch-day bugs, cause I can't believe they've actually made the same mistake that many times now.

 

cannot make sense of odd jerks at low speeds ... what is that ? The HUD shows orange for speed drop, so it is not suspension.
The speed set on PS5 requires CTRL-R to set ON then F all the way back to zero and then R up to selected value ? Only way i could get it to work at low speeds, low power. ATS really let me down here as a PS5 player: they know DTG does not beta test the final build which is console. We all know it. Matt seems not to mind this repeat insult to console players. Or is it the marketing manager with a release date on their desk calendar ? DTG is no better than Rivet.
Then there is the idiotic tutorial. What physically challenged player such as myself can stop at UNDER that 2m mark without many tries ? I could not, cannot, and i loathe them for their ever so "DTG" claims to accessibility concern.
As for why DSD must honk the AWS ack, well that is just stupid indifference to the user's immersion. Which did i do ? Me, the player ! A tap of the pedal or an Ack with a desk button ? No option to get around this on PS5 with bluetooth keyboard and mouse ... minimal accessibility issues. Who has that as their beta test task ? The user. The game playing train driver who pays to enjoy, not curse the devs.
[Removed; off-topic - DTG Harry]

 

I'm sorry but what do any of these people have to do with a buggy tsw add on? You can't seriously be lumping DTG and ATS in with Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerburg

 

Sorry to say, its not good enough.

As I said in my stream I am lucky enough to get it free to show to you and I thank Dovetail for that oppotunity, but yes its you guys buying it. It just seems to me that procedures are not followed. Do they check they have the right release build before or not? (obviously from this No they didnt) this just doesnt apply to ATS but to Dovetail as well.

Overall I like the 90 and the 147 apart from the wrong build fiasco with the 90 the only other downside for me is the Timetable, Why not copy the original WCML timetable and add the services into it?

Hentis

 

on PS5 train length worked.

But with my unsteady hands, setting it was a nightmare.

Do DTG and ATS not know how other sims provide accessibility to physically challenged users ?

I stopped posting on forums months ago as my detesting DTG for their continuing release day bugs must affect my objectivity. So enough said.

But tell them to fix that BR 187 or to set the price to 1$.

And why must we wait for a "re-work" of a route to get basic, obvious flaws fixed ?

 

They're not going to set the price to $1 no matter how much you ask

 

Cuz it’s yet another new timetable it’s made it very less in traffic
Not much ai ..u right should’ve been added into one of the current timetables ..just don’t make sense why is always new ones with less stuff inside ..crazy

 

oh gawd, did you read this up top ?

"and Intractable GSMR radio"

You can't make this stuff up. Truly a trumpian age of ai typo "correction" and a failure to check for quality, because what else is ai slop in biz company or gov't official docs ?

Maybe corrected by the time you scoff at this little note ... or will they not bother ?

 

snowy day, but inside and under cover of North Wembly station, my freight is kicking up a trail of virtual snow ... an echo of sorts of when it rained inside tunnels ...

 

So basically another release with bugs and the wrong build again this is getting beyond a joke really Birmingham to Crewe still suffers with that and hasnt been fixed yet still not acceptable

 

I'm not concerned with "intractable" since it all depends on context. I don't know much about the system, but "intractable" would mean it's either difficult to use, or stubbornly remains in place despite efforts to replace it. Has there been attempts to replace it? Is it a pain in the butt? I don't know so can't say if it's the correct word or not in this situation.

There's FAR more to be critical of with this release.

 

think Ill wait for the sale

 

I was originally looking forward to this but then finding out that it's only a limited number of services on just one route (although MAC is to follow apparently - no doubt when DTG get round to publishing that patch in time for TSW7) then to hear that they are using low resolution textures to prevent blurry textures affecting consoles, FFS...

Oh and it's the freight version but doesn't include any RFD livery which means those will have to be done by modders... (I think the RES ones were outright passenger ones due to the mail services)

However, to chime in and try and be helpful - this jerkyness at low speed, is it an overly loose shackle between the loco and the lead wagon? Nothing that we can do but if it is that case then ATS can quickly fix that. I remember there was a similar issue with the JT87 on freight, the shackle was too loose so would push back into the loco when braking.

As for the Skoda, well I guess I'll wait for it to go on sale :/

 

how does one change the brake timing from passenger to goods in this loco? i cant find a switch or controll for it anywhere (unless i am blind)

 

I have a feeling it is in the engine room where we do not have access.... Cheers

 

Oh dear, the class 90 is a money donkey for a dev (if done properly).

Highly awaited and since jt fill the gaps on the 80s routes, this one can be well used on modern lines. So what can possibly go wrong?

Reading all the comments here im not even into purchaising this. So who gives me the cl.90 based on JTs quality standards? Yes thanks i can answer that myself...(the same rail ferry brought the BR187 up to a tsw worthy standard)

ATS, im not saying your skills and products are bad, but you should have let the cl.90 to JT and focus on routes instead..

 

I guess proofreading is not DTGs strong point...

 

in the interest of being fair here, at least in my opinion, its not a *bad* loco... its just a damn crying shame its been released in this state. ATS came in clutch with their fixes for when MAC had the incorrect build released and it does seem to me at least that Alan is genuinely interested in this being fixed (as soon as) and that we all have a good experience.

Both of ATS' train sim world DLC have had the wrong builds released, i cant recall another DLC having this same issue in recent times... is there something against ATS at play here behind the scenes? is the person in charge of *Publishing* the DLC to the storefronts just not good at their job? is all of this just a massive and very unlucky coincidence?

I am sure these issues will be fixed, and as soon as it can be, but *why* was it released in this way

 

Seen some very bizarre videos of this. Was considering buying this but looks very sloppy? For example the first thing I picked up; why is the DSD button a sticker on the cab door?

I want to buy this, but not in its current state...

 

if i recall correctly, its because the engine room couldnt be modeled due to the IRL one having its engine room destryed by fire - the reference one i mean.. and because the lever would be in the engine bay its been relocated

 

Aside from the understandable concerns, is the Class 90 playable on Xbox One X in terms of insert master key/ put it in forwards/ release brakes / apply power, or is that what the correct build will fix?

 

as far as i am aware, and as far as i have tried myself (on PS5) there are no issues with driving the train without the AWS/DSD on.
Key on, reverser fwd, brakes off, power on.... and go... will work

edit: the patch i believe is to fix the missing keybind for the circle button on the controller

 

Which loco was this?

 

The 90 looks at home on the Goblin line

 

im sorry, but i dont actually know. i was just recalling what was said in the preview stream.

 

It's the one at Crewe Heritage Centre, which I think is 90150.

 

Thank you.