Out Now Br Class 90 Freight Loco - Out Now!

thank you i wasnt sure if it was Crewe or not and couldnt remember exactly

 

Ats

 

Ain’t even on an Xbox one as it’s gen 9/pc only

 

I'm already having plenty of issues with this DLC on PC, I did post a thread but cant seem to find it! Im on PC Steam, I hardly get any power, and when I do get power (and I do follow all protocols to release breaks, AWS/DSD etc) the train randomly breaks for 1/2 seconds even with max power. Some times the train doesnt even move at all!!

 

I didn't even see that as "Xbox One X" and read it as "Xbox Series X" whoopsies.. indeedy if it IS a one and not a series then ot won't work at all and my advice was pointless lol. (Don't read messages at 4am) Lol

 

I can never remember the name of it! It's the Gen 9 one.

 

Microsoft and their silly naming conventions. 8th gen was One, One S and One X. 9th gen is Series S and Series X
no stress, you're golden and it WILL work if you dont turn on the AWS or DSD

 

DTG would have been running QA on this, and likely implementing the UI and scenario text, ATS just developed the loco.

 

No that would’ve been ATS

 

Much doubt, but okay...

 

does it really matter who made a spelling or gramatical mistake, either DTG or ATS, when you cant even use the PS controller for the safety systems... wtf cares if theres a missing comma or some such..

 

I really don’t think it matters who gets the ‘blame’ either. ATS make the thing, get the most of the cut for it & it’s their reputation. If I’m in their shoes then I’m checking the product is good to go, not leaving on the basis of ‘DTG said so’. It’s a card that keeps being played by every third party & you can be damn sure they’ll get a rocket up DTG’s backside when they start dipping sales.

 

It doesn't matter who, but grammatical errors do matter. No, they're not game-affecting like the issue you mention, but they make the game look unprofessional.

 

You're right, and I apologise if I was rude. I can't really judge especially when you rely on autocorrect for a great deal

 

With regret, refund requested. Only had it 5 mins but that was enough for me to realise this isn’t fit for purpose (yet).

AWS/DSD issues. I don’t think the behaviour of the loco is right either. Seemed to accelerate very fast with a load of containers.

I don’t think ATS is to blame, I’m sure given the chance they’d not have released this in its current inferior state. Dovetail again seem to my mind to be the root of the problem.

Am afraid though there’s no way I can justify that purchase and I’ve asked for a refund.

 

Thanks!

This was fire damaged in 2004 from the looks of it, which means there was never any intention of modelling the engine room.

 

I heard this was a disaster of a launch. LMAO DTG is a joke of a company. Glad I didn't buy at launch

 

I think that’s the important thing for us all to remember, this is the fault of DTG. I am confident that ATS would rather not have released something this unfinished and would like to release a patch asap. I’m afraid that DTG as with everything is the problem.

 

Clearly you haven't seen the YouTube video ATS put out on the release day

 

I haven’t. Can you give me the highlights? I try and avoid YouTube because of all the ads.

 

He was moderately contrite in regard to the things that slipped on their side of things and that both fixes are planned and lessons learned. Take that as you wish, but my personal view is shouldn’t these lessons have already been learned from the MAC release and prior to that the sorry saga of the very expensive and allegedly very poor quality Class 745 Flirt for TSC?

 

As I’ve been led to believe DTG won’t be flexible with release dates, so no matter what state something is in it gets released on release date.

 

That's factually not true, the DB BR 147 was postponed at the last minute just this past week, first on console then on PC too.

 

In this case, you're right. However, I think we all recognize that dlc are routinely released when they turn out perhaps not quite ready for prime time.

 

Indeed, personally I would always prefer something be delayed until it's ready than released with issues. But maybe I'm just less impatient than some others.

 

I'm afraid what DTG say and what is the truth is for the most a billion miles apart....

Internally dates are flexible, but only within a window.

Third Party Developers submit DLC when THEY are ready, not when DTG says ""give it to us NOW!!!""

 

I have to say, I really am not in favor of the recent trend in putting DLC trains in a new separate timetable rather than the main one. It makes them near useless as AI adding life to the original route

 

I agree. I'd much prefer they were integrated and we have just the one timetable. Wasn't this the way of things in the early days of TSW?

 

Absolutely agree 100%
Personally i would have loved to see the 90 in the original DTG updated WCML South timetable.
I mean basivly the Cargo Line Timetables for WCML although seperate they do include the previous CL DLC's (if they were apropiate for that route and or time).
Its just if you dont have that DLC you wont get it activated as a layer in the timetable.

Hentis

 

Agreed.

It is possible, but doesn't generally happen when different dev teams are involved as if a new layer breaks gameplay for the original TT then the original dev team are affected, that's why you see a new timetable, which unfortunately in many cases is a slightly modified copy and paste TT of the original. Skyhook are the biggest culprits here with their Cargo Line packs, copy and paste the original TT then add a handful of new services and sell it as all new bells and whistles. WCMLs has so many different TT now its rediculous, the most complete one probably being the OTS community one.

DTG really need to ship more full fat TT and allow users to add/remove layers as they wish to get the best experience.

Am I going to buy the Class 90 DLC just for a handful of WCMLs services on a dead TT.... no!

 

Agreed. The most recent timetable released should always be the biggest one with everything else that's come before it as a layer.

 

It's the #1 reason I am passing on this DLC.

 

I can only agree with this.

Separate timetables which include the same number of services (both drivable and AI only) to the base timetable offer very little value, in my opinion. You're basically getting the exact same experience, but just with a different train to drive.

Given the whole performance and memory saga with the WCML South route, which still exists today (sadly), we are now left with multiple, dead feeling timetables for that route. It feels a bit like putting a sticky plaster over a leak, rather than addressing the issue properly.

Thankfully, we have members of the community, of those largely consisting of the FireFly team, who have made a much busier and immersive timetable via a PC mod. Although I appreciate this is no good for console users, and doesn't beat the fact that the route is still an absolute memory hog.

The WCML South route could and should have turned into something amazing, with it maturing over time. I'm still hopeful that one day, this will be achieved.

 

it should be pointed out that the Class 90 timetable has between 150 to 200 LESS services than the default timetable, even the Cargo Line timetables have more services. heck the Evero timetable is missing most of its freight and STILL has more services than the class 90 timetable does.

This makes it glareingly obvious the route is empty, driving along the WCML at 0730 less than 10 miles from London proper and the route is empty..... why didnt DTG let it go on the default timetable and avoid all of this ATS/AABS shenanigans.

5 WCML south timetables, 3 WCML Shap timetables, 3 ECML timetables...... to quote a certain Neimoidian, This is getting out of hand!

 

Simply put, because you and many others bought a kept the download. So they’ve got and kept their money. If something isn’t right you need to return it. DTG will look at this and say ‘can’t be that much of an issue, look how much we’ve made off it’ and there’s your problem.

 

I’ve been banging on about this for over a year now! Glad to see that others are starting to agree with me. DTG really need to be co-ordinating the devs to work together to enhance the game for the paying punter. It cannot be beyond DTG’s capabilities surely?

 

100% this.
I know of at least two dlc’s that were ready for release in TSW5 but were held back by DTG for TSW6 and even then they weren’t released until well after release…

 

I have tried to return it, Playstation wont refund you if you have downloaded and used the game/DLC - i have never been able to get a refund from sony on ANYTHING!

I cant speak for others here, but for me at least this is where some of the problem arises. i have paid for the thing, i cant get my money back for it, my only option is to not play it and complain about it and hope this isnt another one of the many, many, many things that just gets left broken.

 

Xbox have been very good with me on this. I refunded E Coastway 171/313 pack and the Class 90 and had no issues. I don’t know if it makes a difference but I always pay with a gift card.

 

Thats one of the things i miss about being on the Xbox, MS has a very generous refunds policy whereas Sony are just a PITA to deal with.

It might'nt be the "productive" thing to do (lol) but its all i have left, to complain.

 

As an experiment maybe try buying something with a gift card and then see if (assuming it’s of the same standard as everything else lately) see if you can get a refund easier.

 

That is a really good idea, and im sure there will be another DLC around the corner to buy as well.
while i dont want any of the DLC i buy to be subpar or broken, at least if it happens again i can use the experience to test this out

 

Yeah, even on the current TSW6 roadmap it's pretty obvious that at least one but quite possibly two routes are not coming to TSW6 but will be held for TSW7 (Trent Valley and Whitehaven), I think they will be close to ready but told to hold on a few extra weeks to boost the sales potential for 7...

I'm still convinced that the JT86 pack was forcibly delayed as it would clash with ATS's inaugural TSW DLC, MAC while we were told that the delay was due to issues arising during QA...

One thing where DTG screw the pooch time and time again is publishing DLC too close to the weekend, it comes with a shedload of bugs but nobody around to fix them or even take notes until the office staff come back the next week, heck just look at the 90, it's Easter weekend so for some lucky buggers it's a 4 day weekend (not me, I've got to head out to the airport shortly to do a pain in the butt 4 sector day patrolling the friendly skies), which means there is no development taking place on fixing the issues or even communicating with users, aside from the one DTG staff member working this weekend dropping a PR clanger worthy of posting in Reddit's "Corporate Facepalm" sub.

 

Totally agree mate. I’ve only got today off from work too…must be nice to have a 4 day weekend huh?

 

Hence why you should never ever buy a DTG product day one.

 

Based on what information? I've seen no evidence any third party has been "rushed." In fact, if anything several statements have seemed to indicate that DTG isn't driving general release dates, but Third Parties are which is why so many were popping up at once.
I've seen no evidence that DTG has "pushed" any third party to go early.
They have asked for delays to address "issues" found in QA after the content was given to DTG.

If you have seen definitive evidence or statements by third parties that says they were "rushed" by DTG, I'd love to see them.
It seems like something we keep passing around the forum as an excuse, but thus far I have not seen any actual proof. It's just gossip on the forum.
Again, I'm open to being proven wrong if the evidence is there.
I just haven't seen any.

 

100% agreement. It looks untidy on the screen, it can be confusing, it's tedious.

Look at East Coastway remaster for example.

 

I hate it as well I mean look a wcml south if you all the dlc thats 5 separate timetables.

 

Yeah, there needs to be a solution to this. Rolling stock packs are as much about beefing up timetables as the drive itself, we shouldn't have to pick and choose.