Is Dtg Going To Fix And Optimise London Commuter???

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by Kyle, Apr 7, 2026 at 4:18 PM.

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  1. Performance overhaul

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  2. Start from Scratch

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  1. Kyle

    Kyle Member

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    . PERFORMANCE (BIGGEST ISSUE)
    The problem:
    • One of the heaviest routes in the whole game
    • Constant:
      • stuttering
      • frame drops
      • CPU overload (especially near London Victoria / Clapham)
    Even players say the route pushes systems hard and exposes the limits of the dispatcher/AI

    What needs fixing:
    • Better AI spawning/despawning
    • Smarter timetable optimisation
    • Reduce background traffic load
    • Proper next-gen optimisation pass (TSW6 standard)
    This alone would transform the route.

    2. GRAPHICS / LIGHTING (OUTDATED)
    The problem:
    • Built on TSW2-era tech
    • Looks flat compared to newer routes
    • No proper TOD4 lighting upgrade
    Community literally asking for:

    • “modern graphics”
    • “lighting update”
    What needs fixing:
    • Full TOD4 lighting upgrade
    • Better:
      • shadows
      • skybox
      • night lighting
    • Updated textures (especially stations + track)
    3. SCENERY & IMMERSION
    The problem:
    • Large areas are:
      • empty
      • low-detail
      • “just trees” in places
    What needs fixing:
    • Denser London suburbs (especially Croydon area )
    • Better:
      • buildings
      • trackside clutter
      • landmarks
    • More realistic station environments
    4. TRAIN VARIETY (MAJOR WEAKNESS)
    The problem:
    • Mostly just:
      • Class 377
      • Class 387
    • Feels repetitive
    Players constantly ask for:
    • Class 700 (Thameslink)
    • Class 455 / 456
    What needs fixing:
    • Add a proper Southern + Thameslink mix
    • More AI layers = more realism
    • Different service patterns
    5. DISPATCHER / SIGNAL LOGIC
    The problem:
    • Already at its limit
    • Adding more trains breaks the flow (too many yellows/reds)
    What needs fixing:
    • Modern dispatcher system
    • Better pathing for:
    • fast vs stopping services
    • Less “AI chaos”
    6. ️ BUGS & SMALL DETAILS
    Examples reported over time:

    • broken lighting in cabs
    • platform gaps
    • signals/scenery glitches
    What needs fixing:
    • Proper bug sweep
    • Fix legacy issues that have existed for years
    7. ROUTE POTENTIAL (MISSED OPPORTUNITY)
    This is where it could become the BEST route in the game:

    What people want:
    • Extension to London Bridge
    • More service patterns
    • Better integration with other routes
    Right now it’s:

    amazing foundation… but unfinished feeling

    The truth (no sugarcoating)
    London Commuter is:
    • One of the BEST timetables ever made
    • ❌ Held back by old tech
    Without a remaster, it will never feel like a true TSW6 route

    Final verdict
    What does it NEED?
    • Performance overhaul
    • TOD4 lighting
    • New trains (Class 700, especially)
    • Dispatcher upgrade
    • Scenery rebuild
     
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  2. adam asghar

    adam asghar Active Member

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    Agreed. Especially with the issue surrounding locos. Really needs to be at least 2, not 3, sub-classes of the 377 included on the route, the /4 isn't the only one. Ideally should add a proper /1, with the original headlight configuration, instead of relabelling some of the /4's. I'd like to see the /3 and /2 from WCMLS included as layers. The trains should be brought up to Firefly's standard in MVL, as they've really shown how to implement realism into it, from the audio to the features. (Fully functional GSM-R, CCTV screens in the Guard Panel, accessible toilet etc).
     
  3. star#5823

    star#5823 Well-Known Member

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    Would be nice but we already had east coastway remastered so I would like them to fix one of the 1980s routes first
     
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  4. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Quite a few routes need care before BML. Northern Transpennine could be a classic if made advantage of since-released stock and got an overhaul. TVL likewise.

    On the European front, HRR and MSB could do with them (the former to complement the upcoming 3P route)
     
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  5. mortal1234

    mortal1234 Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree with this. Tees Valley would be interesting.
     
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  6. SierraOscar95

    SierraOscar95 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we'll see any further fixes of optimisations in its current build... Reading between the lines from a few threads and comments from DTG, I think eventually we will get a complete remaster as it is on the 'radar', but it's how they would remaster such a complex route that is the hurdle.
     
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    ilovelucky63 Well-Known Member

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    If we get the Esk Valley Line (apparently in development of some sorts) then I reckon perhaps a TVL remaster would coincide with the release of that.
     
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  8. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    That's a good point. I do think (certainly from what we saw before it was silenced) that it's a modern day route but nonetheless it would be good to have them complement one another somehow.
     
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  9. Princess Entrapta

    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    I think the official way to "optimise" it is buy an RTX 6080 for like £5000 or whatever inflated price they'll be.
     
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  10. Double Yellow

    Double Yellow Well-Known Member

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    All the RAM at Samsung HQ couldn’t get BML to run efficiently in its current state, nor would a magic wand optimising the TT’s and assets on the route. The rabbit hole is too deep on this one. A start fresh approach would be the best choice.

    I do smell a TSW7 core route extension incoming though. If only Paddy Power gave odds for this summer spectacle that may or may not happen, I’d stick £50 quid on. That’s how confident I am :)
     
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  11. owenroser19

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    Considering the optimisation work that’s been done since, I feel like they could get it working well with a remaster.
     
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  12. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    BML remains a route DTG seem utterly scared of. They couldn’t even go in and do the snagging outstanding on original release - whether that be the sorry state of Reigate, missing track at Redhill or the absent lineside fencing on the Quarry Line.
     
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