Gbr Class 802 Discussion Thread

Only if you buy it!

If it's that big a deal, don't! Simple!

 

Oh Id want it and as long as the quality is there I’m happy with the token cost being asked.

I just object to my taxes being used but that gripe is more at the UK government than DTG. Maybe the promo work was done as a good will by DTG to ease future licensing requirements with the DfT. If anyone cared that much I’m sure a FOI could be submitted to find out one way or the other, but again I aren’t that picky personally.

 

The simple exterior artwork mock-up for the government and a DLC with everything else that entails are not the same thing. Nobody is being charged twice. Even if DTG were paid £10,000 (which they would not have been) to make the mock-up, that works out at around 0.02 pence per tax payer. People need to get a grip.

 

I won't be buying it. I'm not a fan of the livery anyway and flag worshipping slop makes me uneasy thanks to certain Politicians and their supporters.

 

To be very clear the design was created by the DfT. Its been replicated in game by DTG.

 

I disagree here. This was almost inevitable when the government first announced and revealed the livery. For it to be created and featured in game by DTG it was almost a no brainer to use this as future content in one way or another depending on agreement with DfT. So it was a matter of when not if. How to create a DLC from a livery is another matter. Extra services and unique scenarios would of been something I thought would be added. There is frustration but I don't think we're near boiling point. There has been some amazing content and some interesting ones to come soon. I feel most of us here aren't happy because "its just a reskin" and is sort of political. This is understandable and valid.

 

I am at boiling point with DTG if I’m honest.
To charge for a reskin shows desperation to me.
So many recent releases have at best been sub par and at worst just broken.

I had a small pot of money sitting in my Xbox account that I used to purchase DLC for the game but have now decided I’ll just use it on other games.

 

Free? Well, I don't really know !!! tof


Announcing the Great British Railways Class 802 BMU
Starting the roadmap with some new announcements, starting with the Great British Railways Class 802 BMU Add-on. You might or might not remember spotting some familiar Dovetail faces during the Government's unveiling of the new Great British Railways livery for the new nationalised rail service in the UK, where Dovetail Games had the pleasure to work on creating visuals of the new GBR Class 802.

 

People are talking about this pack like they haven't done this before. What about the 2 170 packs from Rivet, the 158 pack from Skyhook and the Centro Regional Railways (can't remember if that's correct 323. They were all much higher price and the 323 was similar to this one. At the end of the day its a business. I just don't understand why everyone is so surprised with something that's happened many times before.

 

The only one that's comparable (in terms of price and content) is the Centro one. That didn't exactly get anyone raving.

The ScotRail 158 and the 170/171+377 packs all brought completely game(route?)-changing timetables. E2G, Fife and BCC all had (mostly) single-train timetables and were fairly boring as a result. Only East Coastway was strong, but even then it had a lot of services missing and, without the 313, you'd be stuck with a quite poorly-aged 377.

I'd say the only comparable DLCs, in UK terms, would be the Centro Pack and the WCL Steam Railtour. Those were basically just scenario packs, like this will be.

 

Reading the DB 147 feedback thread, looks like they have dumped another load of poorly made, barely tested junk on us there as well.

Having rediscovered the joys of OMSI 2, I’m also currently redirecting my Steam Wallet in the direction of Masterswitch who are basically the bus sim equivalent of TSG when it comes to UK bus add ons. Done a couple of runs with items from the Veiling fleet and beyond superb, probably going to buy the Omnidecker later on.

 

but don't forget those packs were the same price as brand new locos so a reskin and a greater timetable for three times the price of this reskin doesn't seem that fair to me

 

The problem with saying they have form for this sort of thing is that they do and they haven’t learned that it’s not a good look. When you just (literally just) reskin something and that hold your hand out asking for money for it, that screams desperation.

As with all the other recent releases, there will be issues and they will be the same issues the current 80x units have that won’t have been fixed.

 

I'm not at boiling point or anywhere near. I am using TSW more than ever. Yes there are issues, particularly for x-box players but sometimes I wonder if I'm playing the same sim as others!

I don't know why some think they are speaking for "the community".

When I want to be represented, I'll suggest to DTG that they set up a sub-committee!

 

At least the 158, 170 and 377 packs were missing pieces of stock needed for routes, expensive but I was "happy" (Happy is maybe a strong word considering some of the issues with certain packs) to have them, along with the fact they weren't DTG products... This on the other hand, I cant say the same. I cant even find a reason why anybody would want this, looks awful and as far as I know it doesn't even exist in real life.

Slightly unrelated to this thread but as an OMSI enjoyer I cant read this reply and not mention the Studio Polygon Renown, it's not on Steam and is a bit more pricey than the usual OMSI bus but that addon is mega

 

I’m glad you’re enjoying the game. But I’m sorry, there are a lot of people who are fed up of broken releases and overpriced poor add ons.

 

There are and when a release is 'broken" I don't buy it. Others should try doing the same, as many clearly don't!

If I was so fed up with the sim that I couldn't enjoy it at all then I would walk away from it and find something more satisfying.

And this tread is about an unreleased optional DLC which is going to sell for a fiver, and yet some are getting angsty as though they are forced to own it. I genuinely don't get it.

 

I think it’s that people feel as if DTG are insulting them by putting out a reskin at £5. It looks desperate.

With broken content, I’ve refunded two items now because they were broken and I strongly recommend everyone does the same. Also as mentioned before, I have pretty much walked away from it and if Medway hadn’t been as good as it is then I’d have walked away from it completely.

 

Do these thin skinned people feel insulted every time a reskin is released?

I recommend people do their own research before getting to the point of refunding any DLC.

 

Also just putting it out there, some of those gameplay packs are also pretty terrible in their own right. Like a lot of them got just as heavily criticized as this pack when they came out, these gameplay packs made a lot of people eyes roll. Vast majority never liked how unfitting the CSX SD40 or ATSF F7 were for their timetables most obviously.

The SEHS packs are the only ones I ever remembered people actually praising, and that's because frankly higher effort than the others. The RHTT being a actual unique bit of rolling stock, and the 37 both being pretty heavily modified, and also came with the older Southeastern livery for the Electrostars.

 

Charging nominal prices for reskins goes back a long way in TSC. I don't see why TSW should be any different. Anyway, someone has to put in the hours.

I don't see the problem with the 802 livery. It's no more garish than other UK color schemes. Red, white and blue is common enough on this side of the pond, too.

 

What`s taking it so long? They waiting till these trains retire? Weird the Class 90 was built & not the 91.

 

Guessing no one wants to make the loco, coaches & cab car. The 90 was the first potential breath of genuine fresh air for rolling stock in TSW for more than a few months, everything else is just variants & reskins of existing stock.

 

Could you imagine the total forum meltdown if ATS released a broken class 91?

I don't like class 91s, but most people on the forum worship them and ATS would never survive the backlash.

 

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they make those new units that replace the 91s!

I am just hoping that they are waiting for when they retire and making one then as after they retire it'd be very hard to get reference material etc.

 

Where do DTG say it will be £4.99?

 

they said it on the stream. not entirely confirmed though

 

Yeah. I can't remember which developer said this but one mentioned that the 91 would have really high development costs, attributing to the fact you have to model three different cabs and seven different coaches. Good thing about the 90 is that it can be used across many routes whereas the 91 can only be used on the ECML.

The 91s were designed with the intention of having tilting equipment for the WCML, and did do a few test runs (without tilting though) so an IC livery could fit on the 80s WCML.

Whoever does make it though has a fantastic opportunity for a future DLC. The 67 + MK4 would be pretty easy to make as IIRC TfW did not change the interior so it's just a case of making the 67.