While I understand your frustration, just to reemphasise my point: the 145, as it is, is perfectly playable and the bugs it has are so minor, in my eyes, that I am not so much waiting for fixes, but rather the additional gameplay, TSG puts into this patch. I am having such a blast with the new features that I have run out of trains (after about a week after release…) that I need to assemble and do proper brake checks on, that I want more of them
Could an attempt at communicating to the players be any more confusing than this!? We'd be better off watching reruns of " Fawlty Towers ".
Just get the free update of TSW 7 when the window is opened and you can decide if you want to buy any of the new routes/added locos.
Why did he list some upcoming updates in his video description then? I’m not sure Dal. Maybe he’s allowed to mention some and not others. I’d expect 2x the amount of fixes on this list tbh. No MAC updates on the list has me concerned also. Still randomly spawning at different stations on that route with the Voyager (PS5).
No, that’s not what DTG is about. DTG will simply create the update thread in the forum as usual and keep us informed about upcoming updates. As many people have always complained that they don’t know what updates are coming, DTG has now decided to give the ambassadors access to the updates in advance. And DTG has now decided that the ambassadors are allowed to report on the upcoming updates before the public post on the forum. It’s not that hard to understand.
redrev1917 The update isn't out yet. You'll receive a notification here in the forum when the update is released. Das Update ist ja auch noch nicht draussen. Hier im Forum wirst du die Benachrichtigung kommen, wenn das Update raus kommt.
To be honest I’m not bothered about ambassadors for they’re trapped between rock and a hard place. That means ambassadors are now filtering TSW6 issues or patches whatever one wants to call it to the public and back to DTG. Not a problem for TSW6 issues. BUT what about all the longstanding issues many still face, the individual issues that effect the player not an ambassador doing the filtering of what can actually be disclosed publicly, whats in the public opinion away from the let’s say a majority of user have regarding their long time experience dealing with DTG. Not just TSW6 but for any previous core titles or anything purchased that doesn’t meet basic customer standards. So I’m not bringing any names to the table just my personal opinion about ambassadors. In a way there under DTGs thumb so any massive media attention can be manipulated or controlled putting some ambassadors in a tricky position when dealing with the publics frustration. Ie swaying the narrative away from any unwanted criticism as I’ve been witnessing in many YT comments. Yet have a YouTube working freely can pass or have an honest opinion without having any pressure in dealing with DTGs bidding. Channel owners operating outside the confines of DTGs umbrella have a clear advantage by providing fair media coverage regardless of the topic content being positive or not. They are free to pass an honest review where ambassadors might not have that luxury. What’s your opinion on the matter?. ✌.
What’s the harm in getting patch notes earlier from the ambassadors and then getting them officially by DTG at the usual time? I’m personally struggling to see the problem here.
Some people just need to complain. It doesn't matter what it's about. Even a lamppost will do. Or the cloud in the sky is the wrong shape.
Just wait for an official announcement from DTG here on the forum, Discord, or Reddit. The patch notes will be there too. What's the problem?
I have just had an idea for a youtube channel. I’ll give fake patch notes for TSW updates. I’m sure I won’t be the first to be doing this but I will strive to be the best. Now that I’ve typed that it seems likely that I would actually be the first. I do like the idea of being a fake ambassador though. Pyramid of cheap Aldi chocolates anyone? Back to real issues in 3, 2, 1…
Stick to the mentioned/trusted channels and discard everything else. Just like with everything else you get online.
If I may could you please explain to what the free starter pack offers a player that’s been collecting since TSW2?. From my experience is each year be existing user or not claiming the free starter pack or new full core price does nothing to really cure anything. Poor user interface or clumsy menus, including all these issues many users have experienced over the years Yes it might bring some new functionality or features to the game yet even those come with issues that again get resolved on the next released core titles. All the while still plaguing the current release such as why are players still waiting for issues to be resolved with WCML south, a TSW5 add on. Surely if free add on pack are meant to resolve past issues continuing to plague new core releases (TSW6) then what’s the point if it fails on that. The problem is and always has been that players that call it a day claim the last free starter packs don’t walk away with a product that DTG fully fixed. Why I struggle to see any real benefits of the free starter pack other than a market strategy just like online games do. Suck customers in, bleed the consumer dry then spit them out. ✌.
Relying on others reputations (ambassadors) to take the flack. DTG hide leaving ambassadors to face the music and flow of information. DTG say jump, ambassador ask how high. Yet wouldn’t it be great to have a one on one conversation no holds barred. No mediocrity, just hard truth. Lies only bring comfort. ✌.
Hence why I have huge respect for Train Sim Society, his reviews and opinions are unfiltered and without prejudice.
Is that fair when they could address its community. Why hide behind stream if users come here too. Surely of a company has anything good or exciting to say it wants to tell the world not just the few. I thought I’d left the organised secret societies working in the shadows. Seems there’s a new one in town. The TSW mafia. Joking aside tho could you please explain why information flow to most media outlets including their own forums hasn’t happened?. What’s your understanding and what’s the explanation behind more grumblings. Surly customer aren’t expected to chase information now?. ✌.
I will agree too that. His opinions are fair and valid no nonsense information. It’s non biased and so cuts to the roots or whatever concerns fans or community without hindrance. I can’t with any conformation say any ambassador of DTG are hiding or ignore the true narrative or situation on anyone’s behalf. I’ve watched a few and seen the hidden manuscripts of manipulation all covered over with fake laughter and the long drawn out streaming that is enough to make anyone fall asleep thus missing any critical information. That goes for official TSW streaming or otherwise. I mean yes I can waffle with the best of them but it’s like being on open call with the government cabinet office. Boring long tedious hours of bland faces and tired out souls ready to welcome the next bus to hit them thus ending the misery. I know some might take offence to that but hey this is a game at the end of the day, it’s on consoles not PC. Would it be fair to ask for more factual content from engaging energetic sources such as the one mentioned. I have nothing against more complex topics or information for those wanting that, but again we have to ask the question do people really care. When all we want is to play the game not waste our time looking for answers!. Quality isn’t the order of the day and I feel people have the right to have a say when things have gone on long enough to the point most feel like fools waiting for information or continuing buying product in the light of the current situation knowing what’s in store. Same old story, slap on the forehead while whispering fool so the old ball and chain doesn’t say “I told ya so”. It’s not right in anyone’s book for customers to beg for individual solutions or mass user issues/fixes. And so if the one channel mentioned does back up or touch upon topics that are truly valid and important to getting consumers voices heard then he like ambassadors has a free opinion if of course ambassador not under the control of the puppet masters. And if I am wrong then they know where to find me to discuss. ✌.
I’ll make this my last one. Firstly and because this is on public display I’d like to refrain from explaining myself on what I do and the resources available. It’s nothing personal yet we are human and so the normal excuse would be it’s just human nature. I don’t believe in that and will not allow that or hidden egos that blind the common man even without knowing to come between any individual or group for having what they might call apposing views. It’s a common tendency for all to fight for what they believe even when faced with the facts or hard evidence. Again it’s human nature pre programmed. Then there is the mass effect or group effect that again is working away in the subconscious mind. Human nature. We are social creatures and so will go with a narrative that offers the most comfort. I’m not a man that brings comfort. Truth as said before can be hard for some to accept, thus never move on making the same mistakes over and over. Dead relationships, even Jobs. They stay because it’s more comfortable to stay than face hard choices. Happy to chat all day but don’t actually say anything, they stay mute hiding behind the masks or static because fear of speaking outside of comfort can or will be frowned upon because the crabs in the bucket want to drag those escaping the comfort of the bucket. Trapped with the rest. I’m a philosopher and so the crabs in the bucket are stupid. It’s a scientific fact of study. Rude word but it’s used to describe the hidden habits of the crabs. Ie the world can never win against a crab because they will beat you with experience. No pinching needed. It takes more energy for the intellect to comprehend than it does for a blind man who hasn’t got a clue. 5 percent brain power of a LOVE and 20 to 25 percent for the average intelligent person. It’s tiring. Crabs fight and argue all day long because even suffering is comforting to most. For a person to speak up about change or impact to their daily tradition is what cause the alarm in the human mind, creating fear and anger so any free individual speaking up will be attacked by the mass, the crabs in the bucket. It’s human nature, it a person allows to be controlled by that and not by having what I’d call free thinking that can allow fear have any bearing whatsoever on a life decision. Fear doesn’t rule. Yet we the community and even the world over fight because that’s what we do. Human nature, and until the truth comes then unfortunately we will have those that will purposely attack or bully individuals for having the courage to speak up. Because hey no system wants the crabs to escape. Tradition is comfortable, change is terrifying to those living in comfort. If a member isn’t blowing smoke up someone’s backside then they must be a bad influence and attacked right away. Rejected from the crab club of comfort. When legally speaking any person is free to an opinion or free to discuss without hindrance. What happened to the days of being able to talk openly without things getting away from a point subject all because they can’t keep their noses clean. Interference when if a person hasn’t nothing decent to bring to the table can go whistle. All community members should be able to discuss freely be of a negative opinion or a positive one. Sadness is after all on the same scale as happiness. If the world had just happiness then I’m sure the world would be a boring place. One setting. No opposition no change or new challenge. Complaining is the driving factor for man’s evolution. Without it’s just the day to day comfort that most call living. When in fact the world’s suffering because man can’t talk, only arguing before fighting. Thus man refuses to learn. I refuse to allow that to happen. ✌.
So then don’t pay attention to them and just wait for them to be released via the official channels. Even when they are provided by the above ambassadors, I always check the actual posts from DTG to make sure nothing was accidentally misinterpreted by those YouTubers.
I think it's a wheel blur bug, which JT have already fixed and are waiting for DTG to push the update (and have been waiting for a while IIRC).
Hi Dal I hope you are well, I thought I would reply to this one because its an important experiment. Community Team and the Ambassadors talked about how we could help with patches by being a canary in the coal mine. This is the first time we've knowingly had the update first and it does a few things: It allows us to validate that build is good and includes everything on the patch list Give any last minute feedback Promote the patches so you can see progress and give your feedback While I understand your frustration at not having the update in your hands when you know it exists please see this as a new layer of transparency. Personally (and I emphasise this is a personal view) I would love to see this evolve into an opt in "canary" channel anyone on Steam could get into. There is no way to do this for consoles sadly. Paul
Then just wait for an official announcement from DTG. Then you don't have to watch at all. They will announce the list of fixes when it releases as usual.
How does anyone not know what is real or not real if they are looking at the DTG official channels for updates? The point is if you follow actually ambassadors that are known as such an respected as such, then great you know you can go to them and trust them. If someone new pops up, you can just ignore them and wait until they get verified as an actual ambassador (if you care that much about following their content) or just wait until the DTG site is updated with release notes. We’re making a mountain out of a molehill here.
Hi Redrev I understand the confusion and your thoughts on believability. There certainly is plenty of "extraneous information" out there shall we say, some based on truth plenty just plain made up. It can be hard to tell the difference when it sounds authoritative. There definitely will be comms from DTG. I imagine the Community Team may take your thoughts into consideration in this experiment. What I can say is that if its coming from a declared ambassador then the information has come from DTG, while each of us adds our character to the release information it all comes from the same source. I always try to tell people when I am adding things I have seen elsewhere or my own speculation. I would hope the other ambassadors do as well. That said you don't need to believe it, there is no worries about waiting for the official patch information. Only a tiny percentage of players are represented here and slightly more on discord but neither reflects the full player base. Most of the player base do look to the DTG social channels and their favourite creators for information on whatever platform suits them. As for release quality, we get that kind of DLC deliverable too late to address any feedback unless it is game breaking. There have been occasions when a delayed release call has happened after ambassador feedback. People make a lot of assumptions about the ambassador team. Some right, some not so much. One thing we've been talking with DTG about is highlighting who we are and what our volunteer role is. Paul
Pretty sure I got called a liar and a thief by the community for posting things about updates and the like before they were released about 2 months ago.... You all said that until DTG say it, it's a breach of NDA.....
Open Beta branch would be a great step in the right direction imo. And it can be done on Xbox (Game Preview Program), just not on PS afaik.
When you compare the feedback provided in the feedback threads and the fixed things in the patchnotes, you will see, why there are not open beta branches. It is pointless to do open beta when you can not fix bugs fast.
I think some just want to invent problems. I am beginning to think it might be best if the forums are shut down, I'm visiting less and less.
Personally if the patch isn't locked in with the bulk of fixes by now, and knowing that console certification can take some time... I'd be worried, very worried that the patch isn't actually a final build. Personally think that DTG's approach of making sure everything gets released together across all formats has been the key downfall of the way in which consoles and PC players have a level of expectation. You can smash a steam patch out the same day if required; however, the constant "waiting for the console builds" really hasn't done any favours for getting fixes out, has it? The blurry texture issue is a core console issue, doesn't happen on PC's from what I've seen or heard so why does DTG need to delay route patches and loco patches to tie in with core updates? Seems bonkers as routes, locos and core updates are supposed to have been individually able to be updated. Are you a Discord user out of interest? Because bare in mind that everything on Discord can get lost and deleted when DTG set server parameters to do so. The forum allows for them to be held to account as nothing disappears from here without notice.
No I don't use discord. I think I can exist as a TSW user without the forums. I have spent too much time on here in the past and largely it just seems full of conspiracy theories and back biting. Any constructive criticism gets lost amongst the unconstructive and those who seem to like the sound of their own voice.
This. Even I, someone who was perhaps at some point a little known for paragraph responses and in depth discussions, rarely have the energy to respond to most of the threads that come up. There really seems to be very little to be found on the forums these days which is of any sort of genuine value.
Completely agree, but does that not come down to the lack of good moderation of the forums? Some excellent threads get hijacked a lot of the time and turn into whining threads. Genuinely feel that with a little bit of community moderation on here it could be a decent place again. Just don't think the forum guidelines are strong and robust enough for the CM's (think their number may have been slashed recently) to take serious action against serial offenders.
I think it's become a vicious circle. I think the lack of moderation is due to the atmosphere on here. I may be wrong. The likes of Matt were active on here and engaged with people but from what he has said he finds the forums unpleasant. DTG put up with a lot, more than a lot of other forum owners but as soon as a thread is locked, which is rare, then it's often big bad DTG. Heavy handed moderation would soon be labelled as them clamping down on criticism. I think the forums are being made irrelevant by the noisy few who can't help themselves and are the first to complain about a lack of DTG activity on here. It will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
The bottom line is that many overly vocal critics can never be satisfied or fulfilled, because any response DTG do or do not give will only be met with further negativity. X bug exists, and has for a while, as with many the game faces (and as hundreds of other games face every moment because that's just how game coding with a small team works, but that is a whole other conversation not meant for this thread). Players open a thread to report the bug, which soon descends to venting about it, which soon descends to excessively venting about it and calling out all nature of issues within DTG as a company, as developers, hell even as people personally. The longer the bug goes unfixed, the worse it becomes. The longer the thread is open, the worse it becomes. Staff jump in and make comments on the subject? People don't like their response and double down on critisizing them. The same goes for commenting through official channels such as roadmaps. But if staff stay out of the subject? Now they're ignoring it, they apparently don't care and aren't listening. It still gets worse. And lord forbid they ever shut the thread down for going too far, now they're censoring people. Now there's practically riots in the streets. And when the bug is finally fixed? "Should've been done sooner, I still don't trust DTG for this". No 'thanks' ever seen. And all those people move immediately to the next 'issue' and start the whole cycle over. And I know someone is going to say "Well this wouldn't have happened if DTG just fixed it faster, we'd have been happier." No you wouldn't (not you guys that I've quoted, you're golden ). Many of these people are those with a certain kind of mindset where problems and missing features are simply the only thing they can focus on. They are seemingly only capable of talking about what they wish the game was, rather than appreciating what it actually is. And no, we are not slop sucking whatevers for simply appreciating what Matt, Alex, Harry and whoever else named and unnamed at DTG do for us every single day.
I stopped reading after your first sentence. Please read the words I've put in bold, italics and underlined.
Sorry did I quote you? Or do you have multiple accounts? If you'd have read past the first sentence and not got all lemon about my first line, you'd have got the context of my reply. Just because I quoted a comment made doesn't mean I'm directing my reply directly at that user. Apologies if quoting your posts offends you.
