Gbr Class 802 Discussion Thread

It's also important to remember that at the time, and really until the 1980s I think, it was generally thought trains as a mode of transport would be obsolete by now.

 

I would agree with that but replace thought with hoped.

Its pretty obvious many in power over the years have given a bias toward roads and let rail be the butt of poor jokes and media negativity. Thats is while starving it of funding.....

 

I do not understand how trains in this century can be of such importance for passengers
You need a car to drive to the train station, then ride for 1hrs+ on the train, when you get to the last station you need to find a car to drive to work, and then it is the reverse, why not use the car which will most likely be faster than the train and there is no changing transport mode

I get that for cargo trains are the most efficient on land, but for passengers ......

 

Try moving huge volume of passengers at peak times all by road. Its pretty much gridlock. Also long distance journeys City to City. Fine until the last 5 miles or so and then bam, takes another hour. The idealism behind roads is fine when there is not much traffic on them but in the UK for one that is so far from the case.....

 

I can walk to my station in 5 minutes, it’s then I hour 40 to King’s Cross and a further 10 minutes by underground to our London office so door to door is under 2 hours. The same journey by car is a minimum of 3 hours and closer to 3 1/2 hours most times.

 

Residing country is likely a factor, but trains tend to move faster than cars & given the average intercity train capacity is anywhere from 300 to 800, multiplied by several arriving into a major city every hour, id say at a minimum that’s an additional 3,000 cars, in an hour not in a city, so less traffic & no fighting for parking spaces. Of course you could build mile after mile of parking locations & road infrastructure to deal with that sort of capacity, or you could use a tried & tested mass transport system.

I’d say they’re more than ‘important’.

 

The next Time you're on a Train, look at all the Passengers and then imagine that each of them is sitting in a Car in front of you.

 

I think it's also important to note not everybody has a car in the first place

 

There’s also locations where travelling by car is undesirable at best. You wouldn’t drive into Central London unless completely mad and want to get chinged with congestion charges and sky high parking. Bath Spa is another location, never drive to or through the city - it’s horrendous. I made the mistake of coming back through there a few years back from Keynsham to Swindon and it took 90 minutes to travel about 4 miles.

That said, car does become more appealing vs. train if more than one person, given the high fares (luckily as retired rail staff my wife and I get a generous allowance of free travel!) then it might be more economical. Unlike service bus fares which are currently capped at £3 regardless of distance, there is no such cap on train fares. A walk up off peak saver return from Swindon to London is something like £80…

 

I think we have largely realised the mistakes of the car is king era.

However there are times car is better. Going from my house in the Midlands to my sister's in South Wales takes over 3 3/4 hours and four trains and costs upwards of £60 more of I want it to be to my convenience.

If I drive it's between 2 and 2 1/2 hours and costs £30 in my little Citroen door to door.

Trains are better for commuting in my view but need to at least be a fair bit cheaper for long journeys. Trains are generally more relaxing but you can't choose who you are sharing a carriage with.

 

Yeah getting the train into SouthWales can be surprisingly convoluted.

 

Last time I did it I got my first and last ride on a Pacer so it was a few years ago.

It's quite a nice journey but long for a day trip.

 

Yeah fully agree with this. I love travelling by train but it takes double the time and is more expensive than travelling by car (even with the increase in diesel prices). For reference travel I frequently between Herts and Surrey so the M25 is involved, and even then it's just over an hour by car and two hours by train.

 

Intercity over here it 200km+

I just get to the street, and it is like that, everyday

Same here, then we live in the city

BTW I see this through out Europe and UK

PS here in Ottawa, we have LRT, so bad that if a dog pee close to the track, then the trains are stuck for a week or so, because of the elevated humidity, and if the dog pee on the track, count at least a month before trains start moving again (it is a garbage made by Alstrom, it is not made to cope with the weather in Canada)

 

It's £5 as expected, just announced in Discord.

 

Train Sim World Community- We really need a Class 91 and DVT for ECML’

Dovetail Team- ‘Nah have a reskinned 802 that you could have for free but we want £5’

it really is a joke, wouldn’t normally complain about prices.

 

4 scenarios and a couple of extra services isn’t just a reskin, it’s a mini game play pack and a fiver feels a reasonable price for the pack.

If you don’t think it’s value for money your entitled to that opinion as others are allowed to feel differently.

 

Ofc mate. Absolutely fair argument.

 

It’s a cash grab. They could have made it free as a thank you to the customer base for tolerating the increasing backlog of tech debt and content being released with flaws and quite obvious inadequate testing. Instead they want a fiver for one of the most boring over represented trains in the game (apart from maybe the DB 766 Dostos) in a godawful livery that probably isn’t even live on the network yet.

A Class 91/Mk4/DVT pack for ECML at around £15 would have been a far better source of revenue than the low hanging fruit of a reskin.

 

Doesn’t matter if it’s £5 or £15, it will have bugs and they won’t be fixed for months.

save your money folks!

 

Fixed that for you

 

What a joke.

What an utter joke.


Government slop for £4.99.


The more DTG do these packs, the more I don’t take them serious as a company.

 

This IET already existed as a newly liveried train made for GBR, so no work for this DLC has gone into the train.
So we are paying for:

x4 Scenarios
x4 Timetable runs

Given the publicity the game got from when this was shown off earlier in the year it should be FREE for all TSW players.

 

If they have been working on 802 scenarios maybe they will have fixed outstanding bugs with it and added speed set and faults? Right?

 

This bit honestly gets me every time

 

Change Mile to Tomb.

 

spot 1 difference between this livery and the GBR DLC livery.

 

The colors are darker on the top one.

 

What's the betting that the Creators Club livery will "mysteriously disappear" with DTG ignoring community members asking why......

 

It bloody is, like god damn it only has 4 new services and 5 scenarios, if you think that’s good value [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

the class 37/7 and RTT are same price as this crappy reskin and give you a ton more for your money

 

I’ll start off by saying, this pack just not for me. Fictional liveries not my thing (I know not completely fictional in this sense with the impending GBR).

But again the whole “cash grab” nonsense, it’s only a cash grab is you do exactly that purchase it and let them grab your cash!

As I’ve said previously look out for all the negative comments and posters in this thread, and then look at the feedback thread when it comes out, you’ll find a strong correlation.

I don’t know what all the fuss is over because the usual comments are from people who weren’t buying another piece of DLC anyway!

 

I highly doubt it. I mean, I might have bitten if they had decided to go for entertainment rather than realism and pipe the traction sounds into the cab, but no it will be the same almost silent running experience as all the other AT300’s in the game.

 

as I said in the upcoming release article, I bet the bugs will be exactly the same as in the GWR version

 

Five quid might be unreasonable to you but quite frankly you resorting to insults purely because some thinks differently says more about you then me.

 

Can you select this livery on any timetable service or is it just select services?

 

DTG does realise that this livery showcased by the UK government is very work in progress right? Meaning the DLC shown here probably won’t even be the real livery when it appears in real life.

it’s like gambling, but you gain nothing.


I just see this DLC as a reminder of how deep in muck DTG is in, and just how desperate they are.

 

I don't see the issue just don't buy it.

Oh well 1 more DLC i'm not interested in it isn't the first nor will it be the last.

I'm surprised at all the hate since we have these type of DLC's before and no one was this scathing.

Metrolink holiday Train, Icebow, the silver 1972 stock, Koln Aachen 423 all reused stock just repainted at the same price too.

 

Plus Nigel and Kemi form a coalition after the next GE in three years time and GBR is history - they would have been better off putting a Thomas livery on it and selling the thing in Wonders Of Sodor! Igor The IET…

 

Well I think that we're lucky that DTG didn't go with this first mock-up (or is it muck-up?) of the new livery.

 

We really need some emojis along with the Likebutton.

So have a

 

I don't think £5 is that bad for a mini-game play pack, but i can't willingly pay for a skin that looks like that LOL, the only thing that's missing on that skin is the Fisher Price logo and the word Turbo with drop shadows

 

Have you not seen the class 37/7 and RTT gameplay packs which are same price but gives ton more and constantly getting layers on new routes

 

Aye, i own both, all I'm saying for what you get its not bad value, have you seen the prices other companies sell skins, in game patches and stickers for that do not include any gameplay altering aspects, and there is always the option of don't like don't buy it isn't complicated.

 

Now if they’d done a 37/4 in BR large logo or even Regional Railways livery and given it an albeit fictional appearance on NTP plus a few Railtours and maybe Blackpool branches I’d have been in Day One. But the AT300’s are boring, soulless trains both IRL and the sim.

 

Aye i agree mate, cars are the same way nowadays, i understand the reasons for it, but i don't know modern stuff just seams souless compared to the older stuff, again i understand the reasons behind the change but instead of being masters of our own creations now, where keepers just in case the computer screws up LOL

 

Most other games you are using skins more anyways, this thing has such a limited use in game if you play realistically

 

I suggested something like that yesterday on the discord, it should be a requirement to have a sub class or something new over making a reskin

 

You know, for something that costs about the same as a venti latte, this hostility from some posters is way OTT!!

 

Ha! There are some that like the livery, there are some that do not. There are some that think £5 is a reasonable price, there are some that do not. There are some that will buy it, there are some that will not. It’s a game, to me it’s fun, I can spend £5 on a coffee which I like, or I can pay and enjoy this for £5. Like many forums, some of the posting are unpleasant to read, the facts may well be correct, but it is the way they are put across, with little tolerance for other peoples views that to me is disturbing. As they say, “It’s nice to to be nice”.

 

Worst bit is that's actually a better livery design