Gbr Class 802 Discussion Thread

£4.99 for a livery that until recently was available for free on Content Creators club and it only offers two services and two scenarios is very much a cash grab.

There are many DLCs I'm not a fan of but they aren't cash grabs. This is. Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not one.

 

because its a government body....but yes DFT are not happy for their intellectual property is being used, the companies may not know or care that their liveries are in CC, DFT however do care

 

not really.... TSC did liveries for £5 was they a cash grab?

 

Oh it is. Nobody forced DTG into the contract. They accepted it, knowing that part of the agreement would be to take down the liveries available on Content Creators.

 

It's not "only a livery".... Better you read the description for this addon again. There are also extra timetables and scenarios included....

So you're whining for 4,99 and make a whole show of it.... A bit childish

 

yeah... and? end of the day they've got to follow that contact at the end of the day, as if they breached it then the license and any previous or future liveries could be removed, and is also illegal to breach a contract

 

Still doesn't explain why dtg shouldn't take preventative action in case other companies start caring

 

its company by company basis

 

And out of every railway company in the world, only the dft get pissed off?

 

i wouldn't say p***** off, but they dont want theres to be used end of the day that's what the contract states, in terms of other companies its down to them at the end of the day

 

But they still signed it off knowing full well the only way players would get access to the livery is by buying it. That is a cash grab, no matter what way you look at it.

The Centro livery for the 323 is still available on Content Creators club despite the option being available to purchase it. ScotRail livery is still available on Content Creators club despite that contract with ScotRail being strict and removal of liveries in place if it crosses a line.

That the GBR livery won't be available for free, makes it a cash grab. Doesn't matter what contract was signed, it's a cash grab.

 

end of the day a contract is a contract which they are legally obliged to follow, so with that logic i suppose any game dlc is a cash grab

 

It doesn't matter what you say or what explanations DTG come up with, some have decided they are going to be angry about it whatsoever and reasoning will not dissuade them.

This is the forums in a nutshell and I suspect a significant reason why DTG staff are not around here so much.

 

I still don't get how a company trying to make money on a completely optional purchase is a cash grab.

It's a fact that companies are there to make profit.

It's no different to scenario packs on TSC which tend to average £1 per scenario - I really can't see what the fuss is about.

We've had three remasters at no cost recently. 2 of which were really quite good improvements. The only thing DTG owes us is bug fixes.

I don't want this particular DLC, so I shall exercise my right not to buy. If there are other similar packs in the future that I think I would enjoy for the same price, I wouldn't have any hesitation to buy them

 

no cant say i blame them,

 

It's an easy phrase to bandy around like so many you find on here.

Personally I also have little interest in this DLC so I'm not going to get angry over it.

 

To be clear its perfectly fine to not being happy with this pack and nobody is asking not to be vocal but call it a cash grab is a little to much so yeah i think you choose the right approach Other users should be cool down and go outside to take some fresh air i guess...

 

they deffo need to touch grass

 

I find the reactions to blue trains in TSW quite disturbing. They either shouldn’t exist or they should be free. Bonkers.

I’m not buying this DLC because in the not too distant future this livery will be taking over the UK network and TSW like Japanese knotweed and right now I’m exercising my right to not see it in game.

Soon enough everyone will be sick of seeing GBR liveries in TSW. We can all look back on this moment and have a jolly good laugh at the people who were eager to get it first but not so eager that they cried for days about it costing a fiver.

 

So according to Google AI, the definition of a cash grab in gaming is "a product—such as a game, expansion, or microtransaction—designed primarily to generate quick, easy profit with minimal effort, often disregarding quality or player experience. These products frequently utilize low-effort, recycled content, and aggressive monetization to exploit player loyalty or popular intellectual property"

Key Indicators of a Cash Grab:
Low Effort/Quality: The product feels rushed, unpolished, or consists of "copy-paste" mechanics, such as clone games or shovelware.

Aggressive Monetization: Heavy focus on microtransactions, loot boxes, or pay-to-win mechanics that make the game unplayable without spending extra money.

Brand Exploitation: Releasing low-quality titles that leverage a popular movie, show, or older successful game to attract buyers.

Asset Flipping: Reusing assets from previous games with very little innovation or improvement.

This DLC fits that definition. So for those who don't seem to understand why people say that, here's your answer. Also, just because a person doesn't have to buy the product doesn't mean a product is not a cash grab

 

There are some pretty garish, dare I say cringeworthy, liveries on the UK rail system. This really isn't one of them.

Plus it's about $6. My local barrista took that from me this morning already.

And I've never visited the Creators Club. I'm a little wary of what I might see there.

Anyway, choose your battles, folks. A few bucks isn't worth the fight.

 

It is when they are removing all the player made GBR liveries...

 

They might as well terminate CC altogether at this point. We can’t have nothing in this world…
Oh wait, ordering my Chinese soon, that’s what my £5 quid is being put towards. Only way I’ll ever considering buying this livery is when it’s 90% off and even that’s pushing it

 

Well I assume you understand that licensors hold all the cards when it comes to their IP.

Not worth risking future use of the GBR livery when the takeovers come around, is it?

I'm sure you can still paint your trains for personal use, right?

 

What about a GBR livery mod? I’m assuming that will be allowed or will that be barred too?

 

Better you use your'e own brain instead of a dumb AI model....

 

They were tolerated on TSC ( see Metra etc. ), but TSW is more of a closed shop.

 

Timing is convenient is all I'm saying.

The livery pack was announced months ago, yet they have only just started removing them.

I suspect creating and uploading them will be fine in a month or 2.

(The DfT have zero issue with the BR logo being used, they own that too).

DTG won't be the first or last to do something like this.

 

AI can't be trusted at face value. Always double check.

The AI isn't wrong about this being a cash grab. All they did with the livery was change the colours of the interior. Minimal effort required

 

cause of licensing

 

that chinese is a cash grab

 

Looks really cool hopeful the will roll this out to other Loco in TSW

 

Absolutely not. Mr Woo’s famous Sweet n Sour chicken hits the spot every time.
I normally order some crispy beef and crispy seaweed as a starter too.
If you like I can put a word in for you, just say Monkey Alan sent you and he’ll give you a 15% discount.

 

Actually sounds pretty good for a fiver.

Mcvities on the other hand. Total cash grabbers. They took a digestive biscuit and reskined it with Milk Chocolate and called it a new biscuit. I'm writing to the CEO to express my disgust /s

 

You’ll never turn me to the Dark Side, NEVER!

 

Are you able to say why it's only the new GBR liveries that are being removed and not the traditional BR ones? Surely the DfT aren't being picky?

 

That's the official line anyway.

Normally when it's licensing, all things are removed from said licence. The BR Blue, railway cross logo etc are all fine to stay.

I can't prove it, but it's not a coincidence that they are only removing the livery they are trying to sell you...

 

Do you call things dumb when you don't like a particular answer?

Rather than saying it's dumb, why not say why the definition is incorrect

 

Can you select this livery to use on any timetable runs or is it locked down to a specific timetable only?

 

I think the timing is merely coincidence, I think the newer GBR stuff DFT are protective of the copyright of their intellectual property

 

Yes you can

 

Yet they don't have an issue with the BR blue ones...

 

To be honest I am not a big fan of the livery to be fair.
But all this crying over a a supposed cash grab, really, In a few months time this will all be forgotten about as there will be TSW >Insert version / year here< and guess what you'll be all up in arms with that as its doesnt cross your T's or dot yer i's.
Guys and gals if you want it buy it if you dont just move on.
Regarding the conspiracy theory co incidence in the removal of the "GBR" liveries from the CC , yeah be a bit realistic.
The other thing is just because that livery has been withdrawn from the Creators club it does not delete it from the original creaotrs PC or console so they still have it on their system to play, they just cant share it.

To be honest I personally wouldnt download the liveries as I suffer problems with stuttering and frame drops on any routes that these "reskins" appear on. Yes PC and PS5 as well. Maybe you dont because you're has the dogs danglies in set ups but I and a few others do. Only thing I will download is the odd wagon skin (mainly US or Class 66 livery).

Hentis

 

Because BR is old and isnt current

 

Well Steam offered me the add on as part of a bundle with 10% off, but as I already had ECML and Riviera, I just got 10% off the £4,99 which wasn't too bad.

 

This. License holders will often treat present and historic stuff differently, this has actually been seen in TSW before too. The Freightliner brand for example cleared DTG to use the old liveries from two tone grey up to Powerhaul but they weren't given permission to use the present day Genesee & Wyoming livery. And on the flip side, when doing the Pendolino Avanti were only willing to give them the permission to release the present day refurbished interior version, not the old ex-Virgin version.

Also as I was trying to say in the Discord earlier but for some reason was being absolutely slaughtered for saying it... For people talking about the livery being removed from CC, keep in mind that the DfT is not your average corporate TOC. They are a full blown tax funded division of the UK government. Of course the government is going to reserve and excersize all their rights and protect all their copyright. If anything the takedown of their liveries from CC should have been expected right from day one.

And as for "DTG had a choice in taking this license or not", sure, they absolutely did. But keep in mind that once the full renationalisation has been finalised the DfT will be almost the absolute authority over the entire railway network, and asides from certain regional exceptions where open access operators such as Hull Trains exist, GBR will have a near total monopoly over the entire network going forward. And so the matter of whether or not DTG should have taken the license can be answered by asking one single, very simple question:

After 2027, do you ever want to see a single modern day UK route ever again?

 

Great Blurry Railways lol