Gbr Class 802 Discussion Thread

Oh all the conspiracy theory people are up and active.

The answer they gave is too simple, it can't be true.

 

The exact reason this should’ve been free to you for the on-going blurry texture issues, that constantly ruins your experience. It will probably be fixed by the release of TSW8.

 

And yet they say we are on the right track with blurry textures on recent releases.

I disagree, class 90-blurry textures, expert 145-blurry textures. Stamford-blurry textures.

So I don't know what they have been smoking but new releases have been just as bad as before.

 

Honestly don't think blurry textures can even be fixed. Not until ps6 and xbox helix come out. (And then dtg will make a big deal out of fixing them for those consoles but in reality they'll have done naff all and it'll just be those consoles powerful enough to out muscle dtgs lack of optimisation)

 

Have you ever encountered or heard others talking about videos being copyright struck off of YouTube and subsequently taken down? Or maybe a video where the audio drops in quality at one point because some copyrighted music was edited out? Or even seen ads on a video because a copyright holder decided to take their cut and the original video was demonetised as a result?

Copyright law between the UK and US is almost identical. Any copyright holder is more than able to request any alterations or outright removal of any IP that they own, and as I said above you can trust a literal division of the country's government to utilise that right most of all. Yes, it really is that simple.

 

I reckon so, if the specs of the next gen consoles are anything to go by the PS6 will be rocking specs of a high end tier PC (40GB GDDR7 RAM, RTX 5080/90 graphics, GPU close to the RTX 4080). The Helix will be even more powerful. So yeah, more than enough horse power to snuff out those blurry textures. Can’t wait

 

I think you read my post wrong the 2nd sentence is being sarcastic toward the conspiracy theorists and their thought process.

Not mine. I know how licenses work.

 

Social cues continue to escape me... I will take my embarassment and see myself out.

 

No worries at all. Sarcasim doesn't translate over text very well.

 

Let’s hope this agreement gives DTG access to additional routes and rolling stock. That’s been one of the biggest issues on this side of the pond. Operators like SEPTA and MARTA can’t be represented in TSW or Train Simulator Classic because of licensing restrictions. And let’s not forget that the LIRR and the newer New York–Stamford routes have their safety systems enabled by default due to licensing agreements.

Back in the day, Armstrong Powerhouse used to include the branding and badging directly with their enhancement packs. Now, you have to download them separately from the paid enhancement, even though the branding pack itself is free. I’m sure that has something to do with licensing restrictions. ATS has been doing the same thing with their recent Train Simulator Classic releases, where the branding download is provided separately from the paid train add-on.

 

The train announcements on the Riveria line say “Great British Railways service to” replacing Great Western Railway.

 

Something tells me this was to do with the recent split and sell-off

 

On the contrary, this was the deal as explained upon the release of WCML Over Shap in late 2024 as it was in regards to pre privatisation Freightliner branding appearing on the intermodal wagons, so long before the sell off happened. For all we know the sell off might even change the deal from what it was then.

 

PIS also updated with GBR
I know it’s basic stuff but I wasn’t expecting it to be updated because you know things are often done half heartedly

 

I suspect they don't want it to be true.

 

It has to be said, for a forum that claims it doesn't like people speaking on behalf of the community I hate how often people pull "Whataboutism's" on other things that we may or may not agree with the value on.

To be blunt, the only times I really understand paid cosmetics is when the game's F2P, and that's more because they're being used to pay for the game itself, and keep it free for people who don't want to pay otherwise. I really don't like it in general otherwise, and I would general describe them as "cash grabs", even from companies I do like, SCS as one example.

Bingo, I've wanted to make a post on this for ages, and while it's AI I'd generally state this is a pretty good summary of how I see it. If I went on other forums I lurk and make similar semantic arguments all the time against the phrase I'd probably get banned in those places. There's a literal use of the word, and then there's how the word morphs and gets used in casual conversation. If I used the term cash grab (or more likely rip-off) with my parents or friends they wouldn't need to have a 15 minute argument on if it's accurate or not, they'd get it. In the same way most of us can use literally in non-literal ways without having the word police come after us.

Exaggerating is normal in casual conversation, and the forum could really learn a lot on letting these "word crimes" go. Even if you don't agree with the exact term I'd certainly say "overpriced" is apt, and it's pretty hard to argue against, not just for this, but many other packs.

(Like seriously, why are we using DLC's like the Railbow or ATSF F7 to defend this? Those were hardly universal loved DLC's in the first place)

 

Its not that they were loved its the fact there was not this much hatred directed at those similar products that are the same price and basically the same type of DLC.

So why this time are people all up in arms?

when you read the threads about the trainbow and F7 or the Metrolink Holiday train.

Yes people were not interested but no one was yelling cash grab and being so hateful as they are with this one.

As for things being removed on CC because of licensing is nothing new I've had probably 4 or 5 of my own liveries removed from CC for license violations.

 

The answer is simple. It's called expressing an opinion. The holiday train and f7 were also cash grabs. Also there are some players in the forums who may have not been here when those packs released.

Also, given the relatively poor state the game is in, a cash grab DLC like this would unsurprisingly not be viewed positively

 

You say that, but I remember the Railbow having a pretty nasty thread, with people complaining of the LGBT flag being too political for the game on one hand. And on the other there were other saying it was a cash grab of DTG to try and monetize a DLC based on a pride movement. I'd certainly say that was just as bad, if not worse than any of the discussion going on here.

And I think relating to that, it has to be said threads were shutdown far more during the pre-Focus ran DTG. Which probably artificially made it seem like there was less complaints than there actually was.

I can also attest to myself, there's been times I've remained shutup about certain DLC because threads had became pretty hostile to anyone saying otherwise. I remember particularly getting put off how "aggressively positive" the Holiday Express thread was for example, so I never commented my take on it for that reason.

Doesn't make it right, one of the most hated things I see in gaming is how overly protective a lot of companies are with IP, Nintendo probably being the most notorious. By extension, I know pretty well for fact that enforcement is up to the companies, a direct contrast to Nintendo is Sega. They notably are fine with Sonic fan games and projects existing. So yeah, Britain being pricks about enforcement is very valid to complain about even if it is them, they could just let CC be and allow people to make the liveries. In the same way no sane rail company would enforce their IP rights on a random model railroader for using their livery for a custom.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if any FOI request were refused under the exemption for commercial confidentiality.

The DfT are almost certainly being ultra cautious with how the GBR 'brand' and livery is used, as anything to do with the railways is politically sensitive. Ahead of GBR actually becoming a thing, they will only want the shiny new livery showing on shiny new trains, and nothing that could be seized upon and used as a political stick to beat them with.

 

Agreed , should have been free to all that own the unit,and it's also good promotion for the up coming livery change in real life

 

Hi Jan, I posted my blurry textures feedback here yesterday before the feedback thread was open. Could you please move those two posts into the feedback thread?

 

I hope nobody is daft enough to put a FOI request in. It could make things worse if DfT were to take a closer look at this matter to answer the question properly. They could ask for all instances of the double arrow symbol to be removed from CC which would affect not just GBR content but all BR content too. I think at present DTG are turning a blind eye to uses of that symbol but if an official request came from the government they would have to remove every BR livery from CC by law. It’s a bear that should not be poked.

 

We don't want a Dale Charman all over again.
(he's a London Underground driver who had all his in-cab recording stopped by one individual asking a FOI about it)

 

Well then it’s a gamble worth taking. Poke the bear!

 

LOL gota give DTG props they actually managed to make that livery even worse than it was

 

People will pay companies money for any old rubbish and try to justify its worth. I know where I stand though.
Sweet n Chicken 1 - 0 GBR Livery

 

On the positive side DTG have adopted the revised Steam pricing for foreign accounts so instead of paying an average of 33% above UK prices I would only have to pay the equivalent of £4.58.

I was still not tempted and bought the new Subway Sim DLC instead

 

“I was still not tempted and bought the new Subway Sandwich DLC instead” That’s what I thought you said at the end there when I read the message quickly lol.

I haven’t plucked up the courage to drop the money on Subway Sim 2 yet, I always see the game in the sales on the PSN store, but a huge bulk of my time is invested in The Bus right now. Bus bound is another one on my radar too which I’ll probably pick up soon.

I’m the same I see the bright blue advertisement on my screen, but common sense prevails. May or may not pick this up when it’s discounted over 50% in the coming months, will see.

 

subway sim 2 is decent as is bus bound

 

I agree, they both look decent. I think I read some negative reviews on SS2 and it put me off buying it, but then I watched some gameplay and I was thinking what the hell are they going on about. The reviews probably reflected the current state of the game at launch maybe. I’m pretty sure it’s had substantial patches and improvements since then.

 

Seen the first real world GBR liveried train is out the paint shop - Great British Railways | Southern Electrostar

https://x.com/off_the_railsuk/status/2056703124606169377?s=46

 

If it meant I didn’t have to see that livery again, I’d be fine without it, there are plenty of interesting time periods to cover instead mid 90s to mid 2000s anyone?

 

Oh good god that is worse than I imagined it would look in reality, truly tasteless moronic nationalism.

 

Honestly, if they had made the lower red and white stripe run the length of the train and removed the "flag" from the intermediate vehicles with just the red and white stripe running to the rear vehicle and meeting up with the other "flag" it would actually look alright but instead it is the worst livery worn by a train since the current TPE livery which I still maintain was an April Fools joke gone wrong (as didn't it appear on April 1st?). The Wessex Trains pink livery was almost as bad followed by the Pilkington's livery which actually shares some of the same moronic "branding on one end only" of coaches...

 

387172 apparently

 

Even a lot of liveries I consider bad are more dull than anything, Penn Central to me is a obvious one that I consider dreadful, but that's more so because it's "aggressively dull" as opposed to being a eyesore. I've never liked any form of the UP livery for similar reason, ironically the one I probably like the most is the one with the flag on its side, just because the flag breaks up the weird armor yellow UP likes to use, that said they're at least not eyesores.

In contrast the GBR livery I think would be best described as if UP made one of the complex one off liveries a standard livery, like 1943.



I'm not sure if I'm the only one with this opinion, I don't know what the general consensus on these units are. But in my view these are fun, but from a graphical design perspective they're overly complicated. It's neat they reference as much as they, and they're rare enough I don't care if they ain't peak graphic design, but they really ain't great liveries beyond that. Perhaps UP 1996 and 4141 aside, those two I think genuinely are good looking units, but those aside I like the rest more for novelty's sake more than anything. The new GBR livery has the same problems, on top of being something you're not going to be able to escape, and thus spend more time thinking about all the questionable design choices it has.

 

How long till this ends up being a DLC in TSW...?

 

Just noticed it’s Southern not Southeastern, so maybe a hero feature on BML remastered?

 

I actually don’t think it looks that bad plastered in the 387… maybe adjusting to it

I do think it will be incredibly dull when this is applied to all stock.. some pretty cool liveries and variety across the network that add variety to similar stock etc… some godawful ones too, mind, like Great Northern

 

We survived with a uniform scheme before. I just wish they'd designed a livery that flows along the whole train.

 

we did, though I guess we had BR blue, regional and intercity plus others like gmpte … now we have GBR

we will adapt, but will miss the variety

I guess though we will still have some… e.g. Elizabeth Line, Overground, Bee Network in and around MAN, Scotrail, TFW… presumably these will all retain differentiated brand identities and perhaps more will surface beyond the GBR master brand identity

 

I think they’re referring to the couple of decades pre-regional railways and intercity when everything was just blue and blue & grey.

 

When everything was black and white?

 

has the power change over bug been fixed with this addon or is it still broken as you have to stop go into netual to change over from overhead to diesel mode

 

I will say one thing, at least its better than what Canadian National does when it gets 'new' locomotives from other railroads.

 

I agree

 

Thing is with each TOC area it will have Great British Railways Southern, Great British Railways GWR or Great Western, Great British Railways South Western Railway next to the name, if you get my drift. Talking about SWR. 701006 is in Bomo Depot getting the GBR Wrap.

Hentis

 

Was really hoping for a redesign to be honest... oh well.

Would much rather see the SWT liveries copied, where you have red for metro, blue for suburban and white for Intercity. Or do something similar to sectorisation.