West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

It's been in the 0-3 months since April

 

Grow up it's not that deep

 

I think what otisdepotis means is that back in March it was listed as being over three months away, which would put the earliest release around July.

Either way, I’d rather they spend more time polishing the route than rush out a half-baked release.

 

Good grief when will they fix that teal front end on the 80x ?

 

Well I’m sorry, but there should have been a bit of serious thinking before going ahead and putting a route up for wish-listing on a gaming platform, which, after coming to the right conclusion, would have created unnecessary excitement in those interested, if at a minimum no further info was planned to have been released for some time. If you don’t care/ not interested in the route, just say so. Still looking forward to it though

 

Yes, that’s what I mean and you’re 100% right I would rather wait a few weeks and have a route that’s completely finished than a rushed one. B2C is a beautiful route but it had a lot of issues and when the 805 was released they didn’t have enough time to add cruise control. So I want them to take their time, good things take time.
(I think march is 0-1 months April is 1-2 and may 2-3 so I think that June is the earliest possible release date)

 

How dare they allow you to wishlist before a release date, that is just completely unheard of....(sarcastic)

Isn't that part of the reason a wishlist is there so you can get notice when a release date is announced?

 

The wording on the May roadmap however suggested that this route would be the next UK route to release and release soon, I remember it because I swore very loudly that the JT route was still not coming out yet...

 

I have in my wish list, for ETS2 and ATS, release forecasts that date from the end of 2025.

 

I mean, sounds like there’s been some internal personnel stuff going on within DTG, from Alex’s earlier post re RFTV lack of updates, so presumably attention internally has been elsewhere (should be understandable)

the release date will be announced when it’s ready to go; why are people up in arms? If it ain’t ready to go yet, then just chill out… it’s already a pretty quick turnaround from announcement to release window…

im looking forward to it too.. think its going to be amazing doing the run from Euston-Crewe (via route hop), but just be patient!

it’s clearly just around the corner, unless they’ve found something in pre-release, in which case great, if they’ve caught it pre-release and are going back around again.

 

That's true, best they take a bit more time but release it in a more polished state.

Also to be fair in any case the 0-3 months isn't even a sort of countdown according to DTG themselves, Preston to Crewe has been there for 6 months now.

 

Just because a page on Steam accidentally released that means absolutely nothing, as no one has officially given a release date whether that be the Devs or DTG themselves... So, why people are throwing their toys out of the pram is beyond me. Just be patient for goodness sake.

It'll release when it's ready, and an article will be published when it's ready. It'll be a great route when it's released I have no doubt and I'm just as excited as anyone else, but stop basing your entire lives around it and acting like you're owed an explanation when the Devs or DTG haven't given a release date. You only have yourself to blame for getting your knickers in a twist, and the attitude like you're owed an explanation won't be doing you any favours either.

Calm down, lay in bath and have a Magnum as Superhans from Peep Show would say.

 

My hope is that they was expecting to release but they found some concerns and they've held back the release rather than just fire and forget. If the quality is good on day 1, then I am sure it will be worth the wait

 

I think some find it odd just because up until now DTG hasn't done it this way, not that I'm aware. IIRC even new iterations of TSW get added to Steam only once the release date is known.

 

Didn't people criticise Birmingham to Crewe for releasing seemingly before being fully polished?
Now people are moaning about waiting for Trent Valley even though the Steam page is up...?

Whether or not there's a Steam page or not, it'll release when it releases

 

I'm hoping they're taking their time like Firefly did to ensure the blurry texture issue doesn't happen.

 

I hope no one is surprised. However this transpires, whether it gets dropped on us all of a sudden tomorrow, or we`re still here next year with release "imminent", all is to be expected from this world.

 

Don't some games appear on the store and then release years later?

I really don't understand why there is a need for all this drama? It's pathetic.

If the forums did get shut down by DTG I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised, I wouldn't blame them either.

 

Besides all this, anyone notice how the Teal shade of the Avanti West Coast livery appears more as Green in TSW6. In real life, on the 805/7s at least, the blue seems even stronger than the green, though being teal, it should be no more green than blue. I`m such a waffler but whatever, what else am I gonna talk about while waiting for release.

 

See 4th post on this page of the thread

 

I would imagine that this is a particularly hard colour to replicate in a game. Even the pictures posted above seem to show two completely different colours. I will admit that the promo shots look very green, but when in game the lighting can differ vastly with weather conditions and even whether you are looking mostly at the sky or the ground (there is some sort of auto exposure adjust). In game I don’t think the colour is too far off myself. Yes it could be a little bluer but it’s not as drastic as that promo shots look makes it look IMO

 

It's not, someone who's not employed by or paid by DTG was perfectly capable of producing a patch to correct it on the 805

 

This has nothing to do with replicating what it may look like on photos in real life. We followed licensing requests with the livery hence why it won't be changing. Something we mentioned during the 805 release.

Hope this helps

 

imo, it doesn't make sense for the license to require a painting color scheme that doesn't exactly match what is seen irl

 

This could be due to scale colour perception. Scale modellers discuss this all the time, if you paint a model (such as a 1:72 spitfire) in colours matched to the real shades it looks far too bright. To get an effect closer to what your eye perceives as correct (as if you were looking at the model from 72 times further away than you are) requires a darkening of the hue (it’s more complicated than this but you get the idea).

So whilst the colour is the exact shade used on the real trains, our eyes perceive this differently at the scales we are looking at.

I could be completely wrong, just a theory!

 

Picture #4 looks pretty spot on to the games colour imo - so it could be just some weird lighting shenanigans that give it that (outstandingly beautifull) blue?

 

i agree with you, but licensors all have their own demands and expectations so devs have to work within those constraints

 

I mean it is only 2026, technology like this is still relatively young so it will be decades before this looks basically like real life, but I notice the shade looks most realistic on overcast weather settings, and its during overcast or night-time that the teal appears the most blue in real life as well. Mind you, I think I`ve noticed the real-life Pendolino`s have a different shade of teal, closer to green, than the Evero`s. The sunlight defo changes the appearance, that`s why I included irl picture #4.


Notice the Pendolino seems a crappier colour, them Evero`s got the better shade of teal, more radiant.

As we can see, irl, the angle, the time of day, the weather, all have their effects on the shade of teal on the 390s as well.

 

Well, there’s been a mystery livestream scheduled for Thursday next week… could it be the preview stream?

 

No very unlikely.. thats no mystery at all as you can read in this thread right?!

 

I beg to differ

 

Hopefully.

 

i will admit that my eyes are pretty bad, but i swear it looks close to that blue in game.... with the right weather but it does motstly look green

 

This available from Creators Club?

 

I know it’s probably already been mentioned somewhere but the lack of the Stoke branch is pretty disappointing considering the section from Stafford to Crewe is reused.

 

we’re already getting a 90 odd mile section of new railway plus the 350/4 and 807. i don’t see how much more they could add without even higher risk of blurring plus a massive download size

 

I’d have been happy if they’d run it to Stoke instead of Crewe. But I’ll just be relieved if it works at all.

 

I agree. They could've added the section up to Manchester as well and the North Wales Coast. What were they thinking.

 

I'm absolutely fuming, they should've gone all the way up to Glasgow and down to Euston to make it one huge route.

 

and they should’ve included gen 8 as well

 

not more than 9,99! It´s too expensive.

 

Sheer laziness

 

I don`t suppose someone did this for the 390 as well?

 

Me too, so annoyed I’m shaking right now. Why not include the whole WCML as one network, let us drive where we want, how we want.
I can survive with 5fps and a bundle of blurry textures.

 

Why are we so happy to accept half measures? I want, no I demand the full UK rail network as 1 DLC with the ability to play any timetable since 1953 and have every conceivable trains, carriage, wagon and MU in my library. In return I shall expect to pay a grand sum of £49.99 and not a penny more.

 

I must say it has definitely raised my attention that Microsoft Flight Simulator has the entire globe, and every airport available to fly to. As well as an extensive and growing list of airliners, fighter jets, corporate jets, general aviation aircraft and whatnot. And yet on TSW6 now, the 8th year of the game, we have yet to realise full routes on long-distance main lines, such as the GWML, ECML, WCML, etc. Instead we have sometimes VERY SMALL portions, which just don`t cut it. Imagine having a Boeing 777-300ER in FS2024, and only being able to fly from London to Paris. That would not satisfy anyone. I know MSFS is an older and MUCH larger simulator, with countless 3rd party developers and a larger market, and is a different story in terms of modelling the whole globe but in less finite detail due to most of the globe being seen from high altitudes. MSFS has its own shortcomings, but I can fly my aircraft wherever I want, for as long as the aircraft`s range can take it. This is not the case in train simulation. The one thing I`m holding out for is the Trent Valley Line, and the stroke of luck I have here in that the number one route I personally want is the Liverpool to London route, which I will be able to do in full with the Class 390 up to Crewe, then use the Class 805 to Liverpool on the Spirit of Steam DLC. Bit bouncy on the 1958 tracks, but I`ll pretend that`s not happening (if anyone knows how to stop the train from bouncing like a space hopper on these routes set in the 20th Century, pls tell me). Still waiting for that route...

 

Well MS take on what was to be their second attempt at what was to be MSTS2, was based on a “World Of Rails” concept. Sadly little was revealed about how it would work before the project was shelved by MS in a round of financial cutbacks. However it seems likely most of the railway lines would have been little more than simple single track vector splines laid across the terrain. Detailed routes and areas would still have needed to be built in the traditional way. Unlike the scenery we see in MSFS 2020 etc., you can’t really generate a railway system procedurally when there is a complex fixed infrastructure with varying speed limits and signalling which is specific to a particular location or circumstances.

Even now, enjoying a bit of a reunion with MSFS, while the scenery even out the box is gorgeous compared to FSX or FS9, it is exactly that - a background picture accompanying your flight.

 

Unfortunately we cant compare between the two as they are completely different (even though I have in the past myself) but get the point and frustration as I do feel the same sometimes especially when you see the vast array of Scenery and Rolling stock in its predecessor that we don't have to that same level in TSW, I mean majority where built by DTG so they would have the "blueprint" so to speak to recreate it without the need to go onboard...

The scenery between the two is completely different as well, TSW hand places assets along a route where MSFS uses satellite imagery which is removed once you have flown far enough and hit a certain limit.. Im sure TSW has an LOD slider to reduce certain objects once you have moved away to aid in ram and fps but the scenery is like using Inbuilds Heathrow as an example for your entire trip loaded with a full timetable.. I was interested to see how Metro rivals was going to go performance wise as they talked about new techniques and programs for object placing to add realistic buildings and variety then some of the terrible ones we have/see today in TSW!

Trent valley and Preston to Carlisle does show you can have longer routes but the core issues that plague this game in the way they affect Consoles probably stalls this, along with the design time to for the build..

It was interesting seeing running train and how well designed that was so we know it can be done, but the game is only as good as their designers and the tools available, like flightsim something from Flytampa is going to be a straight yes for me but then you have others who are just not up to standard and their airports are just plagued with issues!

 

I suspect the delay in release of Crewe Preston and Trent Valley is that consoles just can’t cope with the length of the routes.