Route Birmingham - Crewe Feedback Thread

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  1. eMAyTeeTee

    eMAyTeeTee Well-Known Member

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  2. historicalduck7

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    i feel like somethings gone wrong in the update process, not the contents because b2c is still running exactly as it was a couple of weeks ago, blurry textures are still occurring immediately after leaving birmingham new street tunnel
     
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  3. yambam#1598

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    Smethwick Galton Bridge platform 3 doesn't have a OFF indicator in game. It has one roughly halfway up the platform
     
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  4. Kezz

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    Hi all, I can see quite a bit of conversation surrounding 2 different things. One is blurry textures and one is removed services. It has been addressed on discord but will address here as well so everyone has the same info. The removed stock was the railtours which we unfortunately had no choice due to mount limits on PS5, the other side of this issue is because its a mount problem, we cant just resolve it by keeping one timetable with everything and one without so they have had to go completely. The issue is unfortunately out of our hands.

    In regards to blurry textures, we have seen from multiple people that performance has improved and blurry textures is not as severe as before which is a step in the right direction. Please understand that a lot of work has been done to address optimisation on the route across the board from the trains to the route itself. Blurry textures is a complex problem because theres multiple variables to consider. Core game, hardware setup, condition of the hardware its being ran on, layered content, how much content is installed, route itself and so on.

    We recently worked with DTG to optimise the Class 390 to help as well but there could still be other things at play which as of right now is becoming more of outside our control, that being said its not to say we aren't working with DTG to find solutions because we are. What we hope is the experience is better, if you find the experience hasn't changed at all, I would ask that you post DLC Version number, how much content you have installed, how much storage is left on your console, what console you are on and what timetable/service you were driving as well as the train you were driving. We will then take this away and work with DTG to try and find where further improvements could be made.

    Anyone experiencing blurry textures, I believe there is a thread, potentially on discord by matt asking for info on this which will help DTG so I would advise doing that as well.

    Thanks all
     
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  5. Andy L

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    So why were they removed from the PC version as well?
     
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  6. hiromaru

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    There are some trains where the in-car announcements are not played when the timetable is enabled.
     
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  7. foggy#2817

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    On PS5, I drove a few services with the 350 from BNS to Wolverhampton. Earlier, the blurriness problem would occur here without fail, about when passing Soho depot.

    The improvement is noticeable. There seems to be a difference between the original timetable and the modern (class 805 timetable). On the original timetable, the blurriness is still very noticeable (better than before though), on the 805 timetable they are hardly there. Just some light jaggedness of the text on the 'max speed 110mph' sticker in the cab, which disappears once you clear Smethwick Galton Bridge. So much better than before, hopefully you can tweak it a bit more in the future.
     
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  8. Phil47569

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    Because we can't have nice things if it means the console users are missing out, nerf the PC so we all get an equally naff experience.
     
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  9. marcsharp2

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    What's the difference between the two modern timetables? They both have 575 services.

    PS5 PXL_20260529_081554973.jpg
     
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  10. marcsharp2

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    Yeah you're really missing out, shame there's no such things as Mods or anything for PC, Oh wait.
     
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  11. dal#7945

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    Im sure they said one of the timetables has less AI traffic dont know what one tho.
     
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  12. foggy#2817

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    One of them seems to have one less layer. Probably non drivable.
     
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  13. Phil47569

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    But that is the saving grace for PC, it should still not be relied upon by devs (not singling out AABS for this) who release shoddy DLC with incomplete timetables and then hope that modders fix things for them to bring it up to the standards expected. Look at the absolute mess that was Fife Circle, it should never have been released in that state but modders did come in and bring it up to a much more enjoyable state but the downside is that console users are missing out there. My gripe is despite DTG repeatedly saying that they are not nerfing the PC version due to console issues, they clearly are and what's worse is that the latest round doesn't appear to have fixed the issues in the first place.

    Oh and just FYI, usually when DTG release an update/patch they end up nerfing the mods until the modders can go back and fix them...
     
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  14. foggy#2817

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    And how do you come to that conclusion? Birmingham-Crewe has improved a lot through yesterday's updates. I'm actually able to enjoy it now it's running much better.
     
  15. historicalduck7

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    not for everyone. on xbox it’s still in a similar state
     
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  16. foggy#2817

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    I've seen a stream from an X box series X where it looked fine. Don't know about series S.
     
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    Any chance the Reduced AI timetable can be labelled as Reduced on something, similar to how the SEHS Reduced one is?
     
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  18. ToffeeKat

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    Kezz

    Can we just check, the original PC timetable remains as is, with Rail tours etc still in place?
     
  19. Phil47569

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    That's based on what a lot of feedback on here has been, with various screenshots supplied. Being on PC myself I didn't have any major issues aside from a few spawn locations being off.

    I loaded it up last night and the railtours are gone :(
     
  20. ToffeeKat

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    If that's the case I will be refunding the DLC as it's no longer what was originally sold.
     
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  21. maccagee#4924

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    No!
    Bring it back.
     
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  22. maccagee#4924

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    Had been enjoying this route as recently got it in the steam sale, but not enjoying it now.
    And it hadn't given me any FPS issues.

    Although, the lack of paths on this route for scenario editor is a bit pathetic. I had hoped a 3rd party developer would do better than DTG.
     
  23. Andy L

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    It doesn't. The Rail Tours are gone and I'm waiting for an answer from Kezz as to why they were removed.
     
  24. toahac

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    That's what was said in the other thread.
     
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    Yet another instance of forced updates breaking or reducing quality of routes that people already own and were using without issues. :mad: :(

    Surely the tech is there to allow people to decide if they want to install the updates or not.

    With regards my own situation I bought the route a couple of weeks ago, have had no issues with it at all, and now have had it updated with fewer services and so reducing the quality of the product so as to try and rectify issues on a totally different platform I have no interest in……

    I’m past the point where I can get a refund so am now stuck with something that isn’t as I bought it or was sold to me.


    Great PR!!!!! :( :( :(
     
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  26. OldVern

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    It is quite ridiculous to change what people have bought and paid for, there's certainly a case that could be argued this is foul of consumer law. Particularly when these changes are made long after any refund window has passed. In any event, why not just do as has happened with other routes in the past and have the reduced timetable alongside the OG as an option. The railtours actually allow you to run the route with some decent motive power...

    The bottom line is, DTG and the 3P's should not be blundering through and creating behemoth DLC on a flakey engine, then taking panic measures post release to fix the problems their own code is causing! :) Amateur hour.

    I think people will be treading very carefully around Trent Valley given these developments.
     
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  27. Phil47569

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    My understanding, based on a quote from Kezz is that different timetables won't solve the mounting issue on consoles as it loads/mounts per route not timetable.

    I do feel for AABS as it's quite clear that they are taking a lot of flak and being forced into making some unwelcome choices because DTG are woefully incompetent, it seems that everything they do/say/touch turns to turds and I'm almost convinced that they are actively trolling us at this point.
     
  28. OldVern

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    Fair comment, and as you say it seems TSW is now a runaway behemoth that no one at DTG is able to get a grip on the code. Regardless of where the blame lies this situation does mean any route coming out - even Trent Valley and the JT Preston to Crewe are no longer a Day One purchase, particularly where an ambitious timetable is being attempted.
     
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  29. vodka#2734

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    The most annoying thing is that even though you play on a PC, you still, for some reason, are affected by the "problems" of consoles that you don't even have. And these "problems" are "solved" for you by cutting down the content that you had. Why should I, a PC gamer, care about the problems and quirks of underpowered consoles?
     
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    Maybe you shouldn’t care but I don’t really care about the very few issues you hallowed PC players get to experience. You have it pretty good overall so maybe don’t complain so much. You may have lost a rail tour or two on one route but for many of us on consoles we have been without a working sim for a very long time and much of the content is borderline unplayable and certainly not a great experience. We all pay the same for the content, apart from PC players getting so many more discounts, and you have to accept the game is not PC exclusive and deal with a few tiny compromises while we deal with the biggest brunt of the issues. Think of it as being part of an unfair society. We all pay the same in and you get a better deal. Be thankful for that.
     
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  31. Andy L

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    What nobody from AABS or DTG has yet explained is why the PC and Console dlc content must be the same. All we've heard to date, and credit to Kezz for fronting up, is that's the way it is. I'd really like to hear a very clear explanation why as a PC user I've now got , and have to live with, less than I originally paid for.
     
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  32. Jeannot41

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    The problem is that everyone complains, but everyone keeps buying.
    Stop buying until DTG understands and fixes its hundreds of unresolved problems.
     
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