West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

We have a second, we only need one more for correlation!

 

This forum really does like to dwell in negativity and despair…

really looking forward to Trent Valley.. DAY 1 purchase… be great, got faith

looking forward to London-Mk- route hop- Crewe… been looking forward to it for ages, and can’t wait to get my hands on what the team have produced.

they’ve clearly put a lot of thought into it, and considered timetable syncing etc. think it’ll be awesome

 

And of course, no one would complain about performance issues! Maybe think these things through a little bit.

 

I really hope they don’t dilute timetables for pc users and have a reduced timetable for those prone to the blurred textures

 

But not a majority.

 

just remember you should be eligible for a refund if it’s within 2 hours of purchase!!

 

And yet I have no doubt Preston - Crewe will be a

The speaker people? How are they relevant?

 

I wonder if anything immediately north of Crewe will be in this route, especially as development for it ran out of time on B2C? More time and hopefully Crewe works!

 

Looking forward to this but if it isn’t up to scratch I will be refunding ASAP. I’m not going to wait months and months hoping things will be fixed any longer.

 

Do one trip, potentially one each way. Use custom weather, set it to sunshine and minimal cloud. If the run isn’t working well under those conditions get a refund straight away. If it does work in those conditions, then perhaps a gamble on it being okay in the other conditions is worth it?!

 

I really hope that those who get more content pay more for it...

 

What?

 

i’m not sure whether this is sarcasm or just a jab at pc/console players, but anyone who pays for tsw content should get value for their hard earned money. the beauty of this game is that you can choose what you do and don’t want, but just because some people spend less than others doesn’t mean their collection should be objectively lower quality

 

Perhaps because many have had their fingers burnt once too often with promises of fixes etc that never materialise!

 

I thought that was what the post was inferring!
On that basis PC players are due a refund because of consoles holding us back….

 

PC players are not to blame and should not be punished for the fact that consoles cannot handle a full timetable
instead of inciting this pointless PC vs console war, blame DTG for letting the snowball called TSW reach its current state

 

Cant help but feel all this nonsense could have been avoided if DTG went with a one-time licence across any format…then one could start with either of the consoles but simply upgrade to a PC and a better experience when the time came without having to buy every bit of DLC again!
For clarity I am aware that there are reasons why this currently cant happen but surely something could be done for when TSW Next Gen i.e. UE5 comes along as all current DLC wont/cant be ported. An ideal opportunity to start afresh!

 

That's exactly it. I paid more money for just one graphics card than the entire console costs.

 

Spot on

 

My own personal take is I'm going to give this route a miss - for now - and it's based on what's happened to the Birmingham - Crewe route, which is a step back.

 

Happy to buy this provided the 90, 805 and 390 all to into on timetable and offer some route diversity, even if the 90 isn't ideal to play as.

 

the 90 won’t be layering

 

It can be just a bit of dump thoughts i could talk about but the fact that we get this whole WCML from Euston to Crewe into the 2025/26 almost, could mean that we get maybe. Just maybe a Remaster for the Spirit of Steam Route from Crewe to Liverpool Lime Street as far as i see it in the same timeline too of 2025. Its just a guess about this now but the signs are there because this route is nearly not at its Performance Limits too. Anyways i would like to hear from you all what you think about my guess for a future remaster that could come next year even maybe. Its just a guess and a Personal sight of view just know that.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but they gave Spirit of Steam away for free last year. I very much doubt that it will be remastered. A remaster with that amount of era change is unlikely anyway as it would effectively be a new route.

 

Don't think SoS could be a remastered unfortunately, it'll probably need to build from the ground up with new track and signals etc.

 

i'm excited about it but definitely going to wait for the reviews before i take the plunge

 

Which says it all really.

The Class 90 has been associated to the WCML since the mid/late 1980s and yet it won’t be available as a layer on the core section of the route.


Imagine how disappointing that would be if the Class 90 actually worked?!

 

It's poor, isn't it? I don't care for the politics behind it, all parties should realise it would help with cross-sales.

 

No remaster so far has changed the era of a route so won’t happen as a remaster

 

Sherman hill lol that got remaster and was free

 

Partly sarcasm, part not lol.

It was a dig at PC players who think it's ok for console players to pay the same for less content, like Frankfurt S-Bahn for example

 

Quote from the QA thread:
"Why decide to make a 100+ mile route keeping in mind the current state of the game right now? I worry it may be too ambitious given how blurry textures are still common."

This claim is being made in the QA thread, and it shows that many people don’t really understand what the game is actually suffering from which makes the entire QA thread basically pointless. And then there’s always the same question: “how quickly do we get blurry textures…”
A completely understandable question, but you can keep asking it endlessly until DTG eventually comes up with a real solution years from now.

To address the question about route length… It has no impact on blurry textures, because a 70‑mile route doesn’t use more memory than a 100‑mile route. It’s purely about AI trains that need to be loaded, not the length of the route. KWG also runs fine and is very long.

 

I wasn't referring to PC players paying more than what it costs now, just that console players should pay less if the content (not graphics) is less.

But with a competent team, issues like this shouldn't be occurring. PS5 and Series X are capable enough, and both run complex games really well, at better Fidelity and performance.

 

Wording be firing shots.

 

Can you quote the message where someone said that? All I've seen is PC players, including myself, saying that we shouldn't be seeing the PC version of the game and DLCs reduced in features just because consoles don't have the resources to handle them. On the contrary, if DTG did produce lighter versions of the core game and DLC for console, I'd expect them to be cheaper. Not only would they be losing features / quality, but console users already pay higher prices than Steam users on average since on Steam you get a decent sale every few months (don't know about Epic).

JB

 

Do you guys think that the 3rd June stream will get cancelled/postponed? ;P

 

Probably not, as they've now posted the official Q&A thread.

Plus the weather this week is cooler and unsettled here in the UK.

 

Yes I doubt it, they've also officially announced it on Discord and seem to have wisely removed the term "mystery" because I don't think their customers are currently in the mood for marketing games, considering the state of the franchise.

 

If the hardware doesn't allow for all the content to be displayed, then the complaint should be directed to whoever made this minor oversight. I'm standing at a gas station in my Kia. A BMW is filling up at the gas station next door. We pay the same price for fuel, but his car, how unfair, can go 250 km/h, while I'm lucky if I do 200 km/h! And if I pour this into the gasoline in the generator, then I won’t go anywhere at all, I’ll only hear the noise of the engine, although I can heat up the kettle... What an unfair world...

 

With regards preview with fog. I bet they do, it will help cover up any missing bits of the route.

With regards length = blur. The longer the route the more AI traffic there is likely to be and the more AI the more blur. So here is a tangental association there.

 

Surely it's only fair to watch the preview and seeing things in the flesh before making any judgements or adding speculations that are unfounded?

Sure, all routes have their faults and DTG have had a bad habit of putting out the wrong builds over the last year. But I think people should give AABS the benefit of the doubt until they see the preview in the flesh, and to give them credit, Birmingham to Crewe was decent, (yes it did suffer with blurring on Gen9 but I'm willing to overlook this given the quality and work that went into making it visually stunning, accurate and with authentic 1:1 timetable), and given that so much has been learnt in optimisation improvements (directly from the MVL & SEHS testbeds), give them a bloody chance. I'm rooting for AABS myself and really interested to see how far they come since B2C.

 

I don't think the speculation can be qualified as "unfounded", considering past experience.

 

If we were talking about Rivets previous content, then fair enough (but even they seem to have got their act together), but AAS have only released one previous route, you hardly have a back catalogue of stuff outside of that to judge them on.

This will be 108 miles long, we've seen nothing on this scale UK wise before. That's pretty immense and something to be excited for.

I'll grant the blurry textures as previously mentioned were a pain, but optimisation from MVL and SEHS as the testbeds, seems reasonably successful at the moment. AAS are also an incredibly talented bunch of lads, and if B2C was their first venture (which is incredibly good, let alone for first time Devs!), than I have faith this will be very decent too.

All the negativity does seem to be quite unnecessary at this moment in time. This is not a Rivet scenario where the back catalogue was fairly horrendous (again, historically, not currently as Riveria seems to have shown they have redeemed themselves), so to treat AAS as if they are bad content creators without even seeing their new product in the flesh is quite extreme, and unfounded.

Give the lads a chance. Watch the preview and then draw judgements from that. But I'm fairly certain with the quality from B2C and all the lessons learnt across the board since that hopefully this will be really good.

I have my fingers crossed. We should be encouraging such talent, and any criticism should be feedback based, not speculation, as it doesn't help anyone.

 

Birmingham Crewe on release kept crashing around Crewe. Missing AWS magnets. Blurring. Lack of AI.

No, I’m not giving AABS the benefit of the doubt. I gave them my money, and I fell for the promises of ‘an update is coming soon’ and it wasn’t.

 

That is completely your right, and your choice. You're completely within your rights to hold such an opinion and I'm respectful of that even if I disagree...

But if you're not going to buy this particular product, then why are you getting worked up about it if isn't even going to affect you and you're not parting any money? Let alone creating speculations. That just doesn't make any sense and is a bit bizarre to me.

 

For clarity, I wasn't referring to the content of any particular developer but rather to our experience of DTG's "let's hope they don't notice" live streams and their (lack of) Quality Assurance, which systematically allows broken and / or unfinished content ot of the door in their name. I suspect the vast majority of customers, particularly those who aren't very active on the forums or social media, have absolutely no idea which developer produced which DLC and just see DTG releasing and charging top-dollar for a succession of faulty DLC products.

 

I'm sure one thing we can agree on is DTG absolutely messing up the builds being put out... They may show the right build in the preview, but what they actually put out on sale day is another story! I have absolutely no idea how they've managed to do this time and time again over the last year.

But I know that isn't AAS, or any other developer for that matters fault and I do sympathise with them.

That is something I'm sure we can all agree on collectively as a community.

 

I would imagine performance might be better than Birmingham - Crewe. A lot of the route will be terrain as opposed to heavily built up areas with buildings etc. We shall wait and see.

 

Don't forget that the WCML is very busy with a wide range of traffic and thats also performance heavy

 

Ah so just like the Intercity network of the BR days, it works better if you avoid Birmingham