West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

This isn't how the forum works. Speculate, and when you are wrong say nothing and then continue onto the next conspiracy.

Birmingham to Crewe is an excellent route as far as I am concerned and if the Trent Valley route is as good, then I will be very happy. I am sure there have been at least two updates to the Birmingham to Crewe route, if not three.

These forums are getting more and more one sided.

 

theorganist 100% - Everything you said.

 

That won't make a blind bit of difference I'm afraid, the performance issues aren't related to scenery. If you've been following the past few days DTG are improving performance by removing services.

 

It’s a shame some of the reason why AABS is getting so much backlash is because of poor DTG optimisation but I do hope Trent valley goes well

 

Agreed, but then it's their choice to develop DLC for a game that's been in this state for years with no sign of any effort or expenditure being spent on fixing it. I do wonder if DTG might get their act together if third parties start refusing to contribute.

 

Err, I can imagine the outcry from console players complaining that they don't have the same experience even if they paid less. DTG are damned if they do or don’t….who would be a developer?!

 

My point is that the content should be the same. If they absolutely cannot provide the same amount for console, then console players shouldn't be paying the same for less. I said around the Frankfurt S-Bahn release that I'd be fine with getting less content if I didn't have to pay the same. PS5 and Xbox should have been 30% cheaper as they are missing ~40% of the services

If a car dealership had 2 2023 Ford Focus for sale. Same exact models, but 1 has a Bluetooth stereo, the other doesn't. Would it be fair for the dealership to charge the same amount for both?

(I do love how PC players would 100% complain in somehow console got 1 extra service in a route, but tell us console players to 'put up with it').

 

See the thread above about TSW on consoles. I don't think it'll be an issue for much longer. Several developers want to stop making "consoles" as separate things and simply make essentially "cheap PCs" with slim cases and controllers with fewer "traditional" items like full windows and keyboards. That's what will replace consoles. Then there will be no "console vs PC" different.
The "consoles" will just be cheap gaming PCs.
Then you'll see that it's not about "consoles" as a thing... it's really about people who buy a "cheap alternative" to a PC and then don't want to upgrade their consoles 10 years later like other PC users do.
Once they can't blame the "different systems" as they will operate the same PC program, that it'll be not "bugs" but simply a "slowing down" of newer programs as their older PCs just fail to keep up.

 

Consoles have worse hardware, so they'd never get more. More services is what MAKES them run worse. The console versions could release for less cost however, and that would [EDIT - Language] off PC players.
Although that too doesn't make sense for the company because it costs them MORE to develop console versions after they are done with the PC ones which are created first.

 

You're speaking like everyone got the same experience with Bham - Crewe. PC players got the route as intended. Console players got an unplayable mess that crashed and still has texture issues. You can forgive most players for being apprehensive going into Trent Valley.

I will be watching the preview as I always do, but holding the hype until the route releases. I fear another route with bad optimisation. (I don't blame AABS completely, DTG handle the ports to console)

 

So the PC players would be [EDIT - Language] if they were asked to pay full price for the full content? And yet, people on here say console players are the entitled ones.

If I was DTG, I'd make what the consoles can do and make that standard. PC users have access to mods that will expand the timetables. A fair compromise to those not elitist..

 

DOES DTG handle programming on third parties?
They handle last minute testing and marketing.... but I don't think they actually program the console versions at all.
I could be wrong, but could you show me where you see they do that now?

 

a) if the console people paid less...yes, they'd be as upset as the console players are for the same reason. I think it you call one "entitled" then the other should be called the same thing.

b) I agree that's the best "compromise"... but again BOTH are going to say they "deserve everything possible on PC" even if the consoles can't support it. So while the "minimum level of content that both can use" is in fact the best LOGICAL compromise, people aren't often logical. They don't always want what is rational or "fair." They want what they want.
The PC crowd wants the full that the PC is "capable of" regardless of what console users get (selfish) and the console crowd wants more than their consoles can handle (selfish and unrealistic)

On the other hand, pissing them both off would be the definition of "fair." =-)

 

I'm not google, but I'm pretty sure I've heard other third parties say they don't have PS5 and Xbox dev kits.

If anyone can prove otherwise, I'll be happy to admit I was mistaken.

 

Here's a quote from Matt stating DTG programs the console versions for third parties. Hope this helps.

 

I think youre missing the point…Its not down to the modders to expand the timetables - thats down to DTG or other devs.
Also, how is owning a PC “elitist”?

 

I'm giving some balance as if you read these forums the route is a disaster. You could easily say some of those with a negative view are speaking as though everyone has the same experience.

I can only speak from my experience as does someone on console who experiences blurry textures.

There is still room for more than one view on the forums.

It isn't even all consoles, some on PS5 are enjoying the route. I'm not sure that "most" people are having problems. Understandably those with issues are shouting the loudest.

 

I'm pretty happy with TSW6, sure it's got some issues but it was playable on day one. Something that's becoming increasingly unusual in the world of simulation games.

Yes, I'm a PC player and will always be a PC player because Consoles are less immune from the ensh*tification process that's strangling gaming and the general online experience. Though buying PCs will become harder and harder if NVIDIA's cult-like embrace of AI continues.

 

9th of June people!

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Video showcase

 

#winning

 

OK Preston Crewe Next

 

Is the class 805 not included in the AI layer portion or do i missed something?

 

Thanks! I have missed that very clear

 

Kind of. The longer routes do have a small impact on memory usage. However, you're right it's much less than the impact that is the number of services running. When you combine the two things, you get the worst hit on performance since the longer a route is, the more trains you'll often have moving along that route at any one time.

The compounding "third" issue is a bit less quantifiable, in that ended services don't always "end" and seem to continue to use memory. Over time they "pile up" off screen and hog system resources. DTG members have hinted at that being worked on (I think they called it "memory leakage" or something in another thread) but with no timeframe to fixing it.

To be fair to the route creators, I'm not sure they can do much about any of those issues. They need to go from a key station to a key station. They "need" to make the timetables reflect real life (which in this case is busy) and they can't work on the Core programming.

If they limit length or traffic, the customer base will complain it's "unrealistic."

Also, this isn't a unique thing to TSW or DTG. Quite a few games that track a lot of pieces are running into this issue of memory dumping those completed services and freeing up memory. I'm not a dev so I don't know how much effort it takes to manage that and decide what things get "dropped" and when to free up that memory, but apparently it's quite a major project since it's been noted for years now and it's still a big issue.

Many especially online games tend to "deteriorate" over time as these "services/processes" pile up and lag the games until they crash, or the servers are regularly reset to free up memory and eliminate the backlog.

 

Give it a rest

 

16/6 or 23/6?

 

Give what a rest?

 

Just your constant moaning, it is pretty evident you are not going to buy this route which is fine, you have your reasons. Some of your comments are just complete nonsense though. Did they or did they not release a patch? Sure it has taken awhile but they have at least delivered on something, even if some stuff isn't perfect still, their first route is a lot better now and they don't sit there and start pointing fingers at every tom LOVE and harry which same can't be said for a lot of other 3rd parties at the moment who seem to just point blame at DTG rather than just get something produced.

All aboard are not perfect, clearly improvement is still needed on the testing front whether thats from dtg or themselves or both but at least they seem to care about making things right. Even if they've slipped up along the way.

 

Understandbly people are still frustrated by ongoing issues which is totally valid and such is totally valid to not buy the route at launch. The recent patch drama shows that All Aboard isn't perfect but they have held their hands up, said they are sorting it which can't be said about some other 3rd parties at the moment.

 

What the hell is even going on…

people constantly bickering and complaining back and forth. I know the situation is rocky, but at least be constructive and respectful.

is it any wonder why devs don’t ever speak here?

 

I wouldn’t mind your swiping at me if I was the only one to have an issue. But I ain’t.

You might want to review your evidence as well. I won’t buy the route day one. However if this route actually gets a decent review and isn’t as broken as me and others expect then I’ll get it.

I hope they have fixed the missing AWS South of Crewe on the up lines.

 

I'm excited for a long line with more sparsely separated stations. That's just what I like. I'll probably buy it at full price.

I don't understand the degree of frustration people seem to have in game forums. Not sure if it is a personality trait of some to rage at things that aren't how they like, or if I'm just missing some intensely aggravating things going on in front of me, or what.

 

Depending on the blurry texture situation (I’m on Series X), this will be Day 1 or at least Week 1 for me.

 

Nice to see they're doing a service on Series X on the stream later. Would be good to see it become a regular occurrence

 

Updated sounds on the 350/4

 

are they any good? and by sounds, do you just mean things like doors, or full running sounds?

 

do the timetables for wcml south and trent valley work seamlessly so you can continue a service by hopping out, changing the route and hopping back in again?

 

Running sounds, horns, motor sounds and door jingle sound improved.

 

UTX pipes were clipping at the ends but the bit in the 4 foot remained on approach. Twice I mentioned it & it was conveniently ignored!

 

What’s the AI traffic like?
Seems dead on WCML South & Birmingham Crewe, and I just did two runs with the full timetable. When I could get them to load. Which leads to the question, is this going to work reliably on Xbox X?

just imagine the reactions if this doesn’t load or crashes out on Xbox X!!

 

They are currently doing a run using the Xbox Series X on the stream and the performance looks good - haven’t seen any blurry textures (yet)

 

yep...going to obviously wait and see how the launch goes before buying but i'm cautiously optimistic
when i saw the reduced timetable my initial thoughts were "uh oh" but good to know that both are available on all platforms
sounds like series S users won't have a fun experience on the full one though

 

Ah, but do they have a typical player’s setup with a hard drive full of games and 125 or more DLC loaded on the copy of TSW? I doubt it very much.

I’m not watching, I got bored after an hour and 15 mins and turned it off to watch the rest at a later date, probably at x2 speed. I really don’t like how they have covered the sleeper ends with ballast, covering up where the extended track shadows draw (they draw on the track texture) making it look like half the track is TSW4 track with very short track shadows and the other half is current track with shadows that draw all the way into the distance. It looks bad and is very distracting.

 

To summarise, from what I've seen:
Bad:
The timetable still appears to have the second "lock doors" step at major stations (I doesn't bother me that much to be honest, but I know it bothers some). Dan is just explaining this as I type. It's basically down to helping the dispatcher prioritise traffic.
Stations seem really empty with only a few passengers on the platforms at major stations
There is a piece of OHLE missing at Lichfield
Good:
Bidirectional signalling is used in some of the scenarios (That was my question)
The scoring seems to be the standard scoring (not the reduced scoring on the 805 timetable)
Extra or "fake" station stops have been added to increase playability (e.g. the Manchester service which has its first stop at Nuneaton in reality has an extra stop at Milton Keynes)
There was a TSR that wasn't 40 (it was 75)
The Class 807 has speed set functionality (but this hasn't been added to the 805)

Overall, I think it looks quite good. It seems to perform well on the XBox as well, but I'll let the XBox players judge that.

 

I wasn't too keen on Matt's explanation of the irritating "double stop-at instruction" workaround to stop the dispatcher from reserving the path the second you arrive at a station. It sounds like this is going to become a "feature" of future routes. Surely the actual solution would have been to add a new setting to instructions, telling the dispatcher to only search for a path once the instruction is complete. Wouldn't have affected existing scenarios / services and would have been far more realistic, which you'd have thought would be the primary objective for a simulator.

JB

Edit : anyone else notice his 390 got slowed down by a TPWS intervention a few minutes ago? He was doing 54 in a 60, approaching a 75 limit....

 

Yea the sleeper/ballast shadows are a bit of an immersion killer tbh. Wonder if that has been implemented to help with the blurry textures or can be patched.

 

My only doubt about this route is, will it be as boring as ECML (for me)
There are more stops, but not always

 

speaking of the 805, it's curious how matt didn't take it for a ride, huh? it would certainly have been embarrassing for everyone there to show that messed up panel by the patch from the 28th

 

My impressions are that the route looks good and a lot of effort seems to have gone into it.

I compared it to ECML but I think its better. There is a lot more variety of traffic. Crewe seems more logical a place to end the route compared to a Doncaster.

The performance looked fine. I only watched it up to the class 66 freight run.

I haven't seen anything to stop me buying it but I'll watch a couple of streams on release.

I don't think it will be my most played route and I think I'll still prefer Birmingham to Crewe.