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What is the general quality like for those who bought it? I’m interested but the quality of the Santa Fe pack seemed rather lacklustre, so I’m curious how the GP60 does.
It's funny because we had preview articles and even a preview stream and yet broad-based questions such as these have not been answered. I was waiting to see what others thought before buying because, based on the poor Santa Fe pack, I was hesitant to buy it myself. Most of the ambassador streams showed in-cab drives and did not seem to really dive into textures, substitutions, liveries, timetable details, realism, and so forth. Plus I don't really have the hours and hours necessary to watch both the DTG stream and the ambassadors and find details like this that I am looking for. Perhaps some non-ambassadors will pick this up and help us out. Or else, horror, I might have to spend the money myself!
As I am sitting at home with the flu, I decided to buy the loco and distract myself from just feeling LOVE. - And I must say I really like what I saw. The loco itself looks and sounds great* (*I have never heard a real one), it is fun to drive and I really like the new timetable with more stock variation and Metrolink AI, even if it’s static. Performance on PS5 Pro was decent. Frame drops at the hugely populated yards, but no blurred textures. A nice job by HIS in my opinion.
Not sure where to put this but when using the sherman hill locos you dont scored for using safety systems keeps say switch on atc/acses. All like that in the santa fe dlc as well.
Truthfully, it's not bad for American freight content, just plainly middle-of-the-road. It works, its functional, I don't really have any nitpicks outside of some really, really picky things. As far as bugs go... - The text in the Training Center tutorial is chock full of typos and strange nonsensical and rambling phrasing - The bell button goes upwards through the button housing when you press it (GP60M H4 cab) - The PTC display's power light is set to the wrong material on both sides (GP60M H4 cab) - The alerter indicator light is white, when it should be flashing red (both cabs) - The pause menu shows C40-8W rather than GP60M under the locomotive type (did they re-use GE C40-8W physics for an EMD GP60M???) - The engine start button tooltip in the cab only says "Engine" - The brake animation is inverted, currently in-game the pistons move in to apply, and out to release. In reality, the pistons move out to apply, and in to release. The piston acts by pushing on the end of a lever to force the brake pad into the wheel
It does add missing playable Union Pacific services IIRC, so there is that. So there should be a few services that run from the Palmdale Cutoff to Barstow and visa versa.
That sounds potentially bad. There must be a reason why the game “reads” it as a C40 and I suppose repurposed/copied physics builts could be a reason. If the physics are just copied over from a both improper and at this point old loco DLC, that would kill my interest.
yes, I have noticed that too... maybe they have used the C40-8W as the base for the GP60M, which would be pretty disappointing, to be honest even though I loved it anyway, and the DLC itself (the locos and gameplay content) isn't bad at least it's better than the santa fe pack was at release btw, the loco engine and horn sounds are good
I also play on PS5 Pro, I agree, no blurry textures, but the FPS is rather bad, around 30FPS max for the entire route and Victorville even only around 15FPS, there are clouds on the sidings, and even when we tried to turn off the static cars, practically everything remained there. By the way, how does the static AI work on Metrolink? We haven't activated it yet
As the trains are relativley slow, the FPS doesn’t bother me too much. Only around the big yards when it drops to 15, but it recovers fairly well. I haven’t touched the layers and I probably won’t. There are two Metrolink trains static in San Bernardino, One is in a siding as you take the turn into SB after coming from Cajon and the other is sitting in one of the platforms to the right of the station.
Ah, I was intrigued by the formulation of the train's AI being static, it doesn't add up for me somehow
Been quite enjoying this one so far. Just to be honest Cajon Pass is not my favorite route at all so I'm hoping there will be more places to drive it in the future (outside of free roam). Everything in the loco itself seems to work, including the HOTD, which somehow isn't always the case. I like how it sounds but i can't speak to accuracy. The New rolling stock is nice too- we have a pretty decent collection of ATSF/BNSF cars at this point, and presumably Hayden Branch will add some SP into the mix. A couple of bugs that i noticed in addition to those already noted: The accelerometer on the HUD reverses when the loco is in reverse (so it says you're accelerating when you're decelerating)- not a huge deal if you're paying attention but could be disorienting loading into save, etc. I remember this being a bug wayyy back in the day. Needs to be fixed. Alerter sound doesn't play correctly in external camera view. You can hear it if you're close to the lead loco, but not otherwise. I can't see the pressure reading on the EOTD. Not sure if it's not functioning or just a texture/lighting issue. Will check it again under different lighting conditions. Timetable looks decent with quite a few different options to drive locos not from this pack, which i really appreciate. Here's a couple shots from the early morning local from SBD up to the summit. Anyway, despite some bugs, it seems like a step in the right direction for US Freight. I'll also once again make a pitch for HiS to add the expert coupling feature that debuted with the TSG Expert 145. It really adds a lot to freight gameplay imo, especially on these long US freights.
That's new. When I apply the dynamic brake on the H4 in the tutorial, the game crashes to desktop. Great. Now basic functions crash the game. "Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_STACK_OVERFLOW" Apart from that, I'm amazed that there's traffic in the training center tutorials for this pack.
Yeah, but Sherman Hill is pretty old by now, so its should be on sale for a decently low price (At least for PC users)
So far I have made two trips with this locomotive. I remember that all locomotives in the train have the generator, engine, fuel switches set to the on position. In my experience, the switches should be in the off position by default. The steering pin (which indicates the direction of travel) cannot be removed. When the locomotive brake is fully on, when I want to release it, I often close the window (I don't use shortcuts, I like to pull the levers). I really like this add-on, I finally bought something after a long time and I don't regret it. All the information is from the PS5 console. (No blurry textures).
One more thing caught my attention. I don't remember going at the maximum speed from San Bernardino to Summit, these locomotives have excellent performance.
Hello Here are my suggestions: Make the HVAC controls in the H4 cab functional for role-play so that there is a sound for the air conditioning or heating. --- -Make the phone useable, call the dispatcher. --- Make the emergency brake lever on the B-Unit usable. --- Some textures, especially in the cab, appear compressed to the point of creating a strange rendering, such as around the edges of the horn and bell buttons and the speedometer. Here are the bugs I’ve encountered: -In the H2 tutorial, sitting in the seat causes the game to crash with an “access violation” error. -For long trains, if the locomotive’s bell is activated and you switch the camera to the last car (which triggers a loading screen), when you return to the lead locomotive, the bell becomes silent even though it’s still activated.
I thought this too, but also the trains with the GP60 are shorter. I’m not sure if it is 100% accurate though.
Has anyone gotten the GP60M to work with a raildriver - I am using the TSW Raildriver and Joystick interface and at what should be throttle idle still has it notch 4 - so assuming they are using the full range of the lever - going past idle it goes into Dynamic Brake set-up but still at notch 4 - pushing all the way forward you final get ot idle but have fully applied the dynamic brakes. So basically unusable with a Rail driver. it appears the developer has mapped the full range of the lever as throttle but still has the upper range assigned to Dynamic Brakes If anyone is a Guru with the TSW Raildriver and joystick interface and would know how to set up a profile just for this locomotive and would be willing to instruct me, I would appreciate your efforts.
I came here to say the same, hardware support seems to be messed up for this loco. I haven’t experienced the issues noted above in any other North American locomotive, right now hardware really isn’t usable with the GP60
Feedback and review: So the community has learned that this model is a simugraph C40 with some modifications to reduce the number of axles. In my opinion these locos are not similar enough to alter the C40 and then claim it is a GP60. On that basis alone, it would be questionable whether anyone else should spend money on this. Taken on its own merits the loco is mediocre as it is. The exterior doesn't look too bad, especially when compared with the Santa Fe C40. Inside the textures and finish are passable but this loco will commonly run next to the ES44 and you can easily see the quality difference. One big issue is the windshield which is too reflective on the outside and also dulls the view from inside, so that you would want to use the external camera, which you will probably want to do anyways because there is a lot of shake and judder going on here. As mentioned by others the auto brakes seem absurdly quick to apply and release. On the other hand, you can wait all day for the brake pipe to fill. The sounds are generic and don't stand out from a lot of the other locos in TSW. One good point is that AI livery substitutions are supported. The spine car looks pretty good. Sometimes the hitches are down even when a trailer is present. Each table has its own number, which is wrong; the car should just have one number with different letters for the tables. The BNSF well car from CJP is also messed up in this way. But the trailers. Oh the trailers! They look terrible. The tires, they must have spent about a minute making those things, just poorly defined blobs. These trailers have no markings whatsoever, killing any possible immersion. There are also a few bespoke hoppers and they look okay to me and provide some nice variety. The saving grace is the timetable and I like it a lot. There are more services but not really more trains because each one is split up into three parts, four if you count moving the power which is a nice touch and not present on CJP. I support this because there have been times when I just wanted to drive down to SBD and tackle the grade, but mostly on CJP it forces you to drive up from Victorville first. There are also go-vias which give a better sense of distance; on CJP it is always the final distance which is completely inaccurate because that is a straight-line distance. The static stock at lineside industries makes a big difference and Victorville is completely loaded with vehicles which I think is great. It also appears that there are some novel switching services at Barstow and other locals as well. The cheat code is that the ES44 is available to drive for many services. So you could look at this just as a timetable add-on with some stock and ignore the GP60. This provides some value, but maybe not at the current price point. It looks bad to advertise a GP60 and then find out it's really a C40, and I feel a little bit like I've been had. I don't know everything about every train that was ever made, so at some point you have to trust that the developer is doing what they said they were going to do. On that basis I can't recommend this and I don't know how we can really trust this developer moving forward. But, if going in eyes open and you don't mind the price, I think you'll enjoy the timetable. I still will too.
