Next German Expert Loco?

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  1. dave#4723

    dave#4723 Active Member

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    Yes, it has only been 3 and a half months since the 145 was released, however a new Expert loco is always at the top of my want list. They're too good!

    I think I have an idea for what the next German Expert loco will be. Considering we've already had Intercity and Freight, there is a more than likely chance that the next one will be a Regional based loco, to "complete" the Expert railscene. It will most likely be a semi-modern loco with screens like the previous two locos, and one that can be seen almost everywhere around Germany, which is why I reckon the 146 will be next.

    Considering the 145 came for the base TSW6 German route, I will assume the next Expert loco will come with a new route that we do not know as of yet.
    - It could be a 146.0 for Leipzig Dresden, or for a route set in the 2005's around North Rhine-Westphalia, the Rheine-Neckar region, or around 2010-2015 when they operated around Frankfurt.
    - I could see a 146.1 coming, however I feel this would best fit with a Metronom license and the Bremen - Hamburg line to operate the RE4 and RB41 services.
    - I could even see a 146.2 being the next loco, primarily to replace the one we've had since the TSW1 era.
    With these though, the existing 4th Generation Doppelstockwagen should be updated to Expert level, and include the 3rd/5th Gen Doppelstockwagen as a new type of coach, as they're much needed in the German railscene.

    Wonder what will be announced August time like what we had with the 145..... :)
     
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  2. lexie

    lexie Well-Known Member

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    The BR 146 and dostos are already so over used, I don't think it will be a good concept for a expert loco. In my opinion it's a better idea to come with a new loco, not one excisting in the game already.
     
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  3. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Dont get me wrong there are some great German locs/routes. But I would like to see a UK or US expert loco for a change.
     
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  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Also spare a thought for those of us who want a class of loco but not necessarily in expert guise, both for price and playability reasons. I mean, the grail for many of us would be a V200 (BR220) but not if just in expert mode.
     
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  5. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I'm a simple man and don't use any of the advanced features an expert loco features. The basic BR101 for example is good enough for me. I don't want to be spending premium price for all kind of features I'm not going to use. Whatever expert loco is next, please also add a regular variant for the regular price tag.
     
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  6. lexie

    lexie Well-Known Member

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    I really doubt TSG will come with a UK or US loco and to be honest, I also hope they don't. There are not many 3rd party developer for German stuff, so I hope they keep concentrating on German stuff.
     
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    bobbobberdd Well-Known Member

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    How about an Expert EMU for a change, a Talent 2 or BR 422 - 430 with Expert mode?
     
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    lexie Well-Known Member

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    Not a bad idea to be honest. Or an expert BR 628 or other DMU.
     
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    pedro#1852 Well-Known Member

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    hopefully some diesel expert loco
     
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  10. simontreanor81

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    Or an ICE.
     
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  11. lexie

    lexie Well-Known Member

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    I'm not the biggest fan of ICE's, actually it's a fast EMU, but yes it's a possibility too.
     
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    It would be a nice change if it were a diesel multiple unit this time, such as the Expert BR 612, 628, or 622.
     
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  13. Vinination

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    Since the 145 has been announced TSG has become unpredictable. We only know their goal with an expert loco is that it must include something entirely new. Wether they want to top the 145 with the next one or settle with the existing features is also important.

    Since they tend to develop old'ish rolling stock i think a 120 or 151 are good options.

    For even more expert features and to add an both visually and technically outstanding loco it would be the 159.

    If they would do an ICE (which i doubt) i think the most likely one would be a 407 or 408. Why not a 402? Because DTG probably has plans for that by now.

    Since the expert loco will probably be used for the new german core route it highly depends on what this route will be.
     
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  14. Ferrovipathe67

    Ferrovipathe67 Well-Known Member

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    A Br 186 expert could be Amazing,a 189 or 152 could be also interesting or 120 why not a train different in expert could be Euro 9000.
     
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    Expert EMU - yes! But double productions don't seem like a good idea. See all the endless discussions with the 101, which did not happen with the 145.
     
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  16. docsnyder1911

    docsnyder1911 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so satisfied with the the Expert locos so far. The 101 and the Bpmmbdzf 286.3 in timetable mode and activated Expert mode working fine. But in scenarios it is so often that you can't release the breaks, the speedometer is not functioning, in the middle of the drive the doors control shows that the doors are open, and at the end you can't finish some scenarios.
     
  17. iarnrod#5485

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    What about a 420 EMU Expert?
    A 57yo vintage EMU that even today is occasionally serving some lines in Germany. It was advertised as "further down the line" in the June roadmap, however, not as an Expert issue.
     
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    That has more to do with you making mistakes as the driver, not with the product itself. I recommend reading the manual, especially the section about the "zugsammelschiene". If the train loses power, you’ll get issues like this. With this train it’s not just ‘load the game and drive’. You really need to know what you’re doing. So no, this isn’t caused by the product it’s caused by your actions.
     
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    docsnyder1911 Well-Known Member

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    And why I have that problems in scenarios only? In timetable mode the Expert locos are functioning well. I never had a not releasing brake or a hiding of the speedometer.
     
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    jesper2805 Well-Known Member

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    Mmmm thats odd yeah... I have never seen anybody written about this problem. Maybe a simpel question but do you have mods installed? Or do you play on consoles? Maybe mods are being the problem then
     
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    docsnyder1911 Well-Known Member

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    I play on PS5 and I know some people with the same problem.
     
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    jesper2805 Well-Known Member

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    Okay did you reach out to DTG via a ticket? If you did not better wait until next week and checked if its fixed in next patch. If thats not the case please send in a ticket.

    cwf.green did you know more about this matter maybe?
     
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  23. cwf.green

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    As jesper2805 said the door and speedometer issues are due to the battery discharging because Electric Train Supply (Zugsammelschiene) wasn't enabled. Check the MFA that there is no amber "ZS aus" light illuminated. If you check the links in my signature there is a thread where I go into a bit more detail (but it's not necessary to read).

    As for the brakes not releasing I'm not sure exactly what you mean, does the brake pipe not charge? If so something is venting it somewhere which I would need more details (what scenario etc) to be able to advise.

    If it's that the brake cylinders don't fully release it could be because the control reservoirs were overcharged previously (by previously it could be that they spawned in this state) and you need to overcharge manually if you are driving from the cab car since it does not have automatic overcharge like the BR 101. Simply press the Angleich button (beside the train brake lever) until the time reservoir (Zeitbehälter) pressure drops to about 2-3 bar (this means the brake pipe was overcharged 0.3-0.2 bar).
     
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  24. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    I usually never run scenarios in tsw for a very specific reason.
    Every single step is tasked for allowing even a monkey to pass the scenario, (place key, move key to forward, press that button...)

    Scenarios should be fun and also have freedome for players with unexpected events. I dont need a 500step task list to go my loco just for setting up. Thats totally fine for a tutorial

    For me the real fun is timetable mode and even more combined with freeroam.
     
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  25. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Before having a next expert loco, i wish a dlc with all the current freight wagons updated to expert standard. There are so many, and it would add much more value than "just" a br152, which would be very similar to the 145.

    Also maybe the ic buffet wagon with the entire 101 and coaches updated like in the 145 (manual hose connecting, manual coupling etc.)

    Very nice feature from Tsg which came with the 145 and allows finally enhanced brake tests and manual coupling.
     
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