Simtrack's Br Class 104 & Pfr Improvements

"The CL104 is dead. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-CL104".

Doomed from the moment it was decided that it was going to be in Norwegian Blue livery?

 

Yeah I also think it's a dead project. Shame really.

 

Given that we knew that Sim-Track had started again from the ground up and was being done in spare time, I'm assuming it has been taken off to give the devs time to focus on it without the constant pressure of "when is it coming soon" etc.
I have hope, still

 

My moneys waiting, day one purchase (which is rare for me)

 

Sadly it looks like Simtrack fall into this category of “Cosplay Company”. One or two people in their spare time, not in any way a structured developer. I agree that having seen the original 3D artwork it was looking well advanced, so I guess like laying track on a route but then having to do everything else, knocking up a 3D model for a UE4 project is the easy bit. Getting it working is much harder. It would be interesting to learn how much help and encouragement DTG have actually given the person working on the project even, knowing how anticipated this was, to the point of taking it over and bringing in house to finish.

So unless we hear otherwise I take the PR blurb with a pinch of salt - it’s dead and along with it any hope of PFR ever getting a better timetable.

 

Sim Trak did the scenarios on WCMLOS so they’re still around doing stuff.

 

I'd be quite surprised if you're of the opinion that we're anything other than a team that do this in our spare time. We've always been clear that's our position.

So here you can hear otherwise. Removing it from the road map is not a nail in the coffin etc, but just reflects the fact that DTG want the roadmap to only show stuff with a clear schedule for release.

In addition to our Centro pack, we've made the scenarios for two other (non SimTrack) DLCs and are in the process of making scenarios for five other upcoming non SimTrack dlcs. We're very much around still, and the busiest we've been so far.

 

Three quick questions.

1) Why can't DTG make their own scenarios? (Genuinely interested in this as it sounds like they don't have enough staff).
2) Are you saying that Simtrack have dropped the CL104 so that they can work on DTG scenarios instead? If so, Why? (Surely making your own rolling stock is more exciting than making scenarios for someone else?).
3) If you are creating scenarios for other routes then can you ask that more paths are supplied with new routes so that we can make better scenarios ourselves using the in-game tools?

Thanks.

 

You'll have to forgive forum members and other players for being totally confused by this obfuscating statement and those from DTG about this dlc.

Or is that the intention?

 

I've made no reference to DTG scenarios in my post. You're right, they have their own gameplay team.

It's not one or the other. We have capacity on the gameplay side whilst the artwork has slowly progressed (both on the 104 and the DB loco).

Scenarios are completely different to the scenario designer paths in game, so the two aren't linked in any way.

It's not designed to confuse, but simply state that we don't have a specific release date in mind, and therefore the roadmap isn't the place for it. Basically once we're at the point we know when it'll be finished, then we can ask DTG to relist it.

 

Thanks for your replies. Just another quick observation.

I know this. But, as I said in my original post, you are obviously talking to route designers about scenarios in general so could you, possibly, do the community a favour by asking if the routes you are involved in could come with as many paths as possible? (1) That would save me from having to create mods to bring sidings & platforms into play which only pc users can use and (2) would make new routes look much fuller in-game and add to their realism.

At the moment, IMHO, no one gives any attention to scenario designer even though it would be quite simple for the original designer to do so.

Thanks.

 

Appreciate the replies Lucas. Please accept it all as constructive frustration. The Class 104 is as eagerly if not more awaited than George RR Martin getting round to writing the final book(s) for Game Of Thrones. We are desperate for another heritage DMU in game and to breath some life into PFR. I do think you will agree with hindsight, it should never have been announced quite so early. Can assure you if/when it does come, will be a Day One purchase for many myself included.

 

Yes well. I suppose it could rise from the dead like Lazarus and the DB420.

If such a miracle should occur, I too will buy it at the first opportunity. PFR is dormant in my toy chest right now, but I'd love to dust it off and run a 1st gen dmu over this excellent route.

It will feel brand new.

 

Likewise, it's a heavily anticipated piece of content as no one else has tried to touch PFR and what is a very pretty route has been left in the dust somewhat! It's frustrating to have been waiting for so long after the release was made out to be imminently as of February 2024. But it's good to hear it hasn't stalled.

 

Absolutely. A combo of us underestimating how long it would take, alongside life events getting in the way.

 

I’m 100% buying this on day one,

fun fact I actually have a few hundred pounds saved for older trains and routes for tsw, so I really hope this does very well so maybe we can get more older trains.

hell I would pay upwards of £50 to get new steam content or a old Scottish route

Sorry I kinda when off topic, basically I’m just super happy it’s not dead and I can’t wait for it and more older stuff released by other developers as well ^^

 

Maybe not £50 but a late 1970’s route based around Inverness with a Class 26 I might run to £35!

 

Take my money now etc.....Whats lampoil again?!!!!

Would be amazing.

 

It's snake oil used in a lamp.

 

Basically I just really want more Scottish content and I’m willing to pay quite a bit if it is at least better than Scotrail express

 

I still think something like Inverness hub would be good, with the lines extending to Aviemore, Nairn and Dingwall (being cheeky Invergordon for the freight). With moves like the classic backing in of the overnight service from Glasgow/Edinburgh to P5 in order to connect with the Far Northline and shunt the vans off on to the Wick and Kyle services.

 

Anything except modern day. We haven't had anything in the 70s. It's almost like it doesn't exist. BR doesn't sell. Etc.

 

Shot in the dark since this threads been quiet for ages but do we think this will be coming along at any point and if so will it be compatible with older consoles now dovetails announced they’re stopping support for them?

 

I think it's as dead as Monty Python's proverbial parrot.

 

Any updates you can give on this at all post train sim 7 announcement?

 

Fear you may be on the money mate

 

DTG has mostly dodged this question every time it was asked in the discord

 

If it comes in the future it will definitely not be on gen 8 because as you say those consoles are no longer being supported. There will be no more TSW releases on gen 8 consoles.

 

It's a dead as a very dead thing.

 

Sadly it looks to be dead. A shame as it would make Peak Forest a much more worthwhile route. I only bought it as we were lead to believe this pack would be coming. Not as mistake I would make again.

It would have been great to have three first generation DMUs in the game.

 

Yes a real shame, not just for PFR but a BR Blue version would have been right at home on Blackpool Branches. Far more ubiquitous than the Class 101's or even the forthcoming Class 108.

Probably remains the worst instance of a premature announcement and Roadmap inclusion from DTG, without adequate proof of life or concept.

 

Yea just windered if it’d be different since it’s more an update than a whole new product but here’s hoping g

 

If it had come out it would be a new item and I couldn’t see DTG making an exception to their abandonment of Gen 8. Best to forget about it and look forward to the JT route and their Class 108.

 

If you are on an older console, PS4 or xbox one, there will be no more TSW games or DLC released that you can buy and there will be no more updates in existing TSW games on those consoles. To continue getting anything new for TSW, DLC or updates, you will have to upgrade to a gen 9 console and get the latest TSW game as that’s all DTG will be selling DLC for and giving updates for from now on. That’s the unfortunate truth I’m afraid.

 

Wasn't the 104 a mostly northwest area, like Manchester or Scotland? They were gone before my first trip to the UK, so not really a thing I've ever seen irl. Still, would be a good add on for 80s/BR routes by maybe JT if they decide to head up that way. The 101 and 108 do a pretty good job of capturing that time period though, so we're not entirely without something similar.

Edit:
Looking it up on the ol' interwebs, it says something about Manchester and the Buxton line?
Lots of BR representation too... hmmm... that is something up JT's alley.

 

They ran in a few areas, Worked the Buxton Trains mainly in Manchester and jobs to Blackpool and Southport. Could be found wandering to Liverpool also. Finished off at Chester and Old Oak Common late 80s/early 90s. Scotrail got some I think when a fire took out a load of its normal allocation of DMUs along with 120s and some other odds and sods. All academic though as its sadly does not appear to be getting made.

 

104’s were also quite common at one time on Birmingham to Leicester and even occasionally all the way to Norwich services.

 

Bugger guess I’ll have to start looking down the back of the settee for any spare Pennie’s then

 

Tottenham Hale to North Woolwich in the 70's would be a nice shortish route to wet our lips
I'm sure that any delay is only caused by the DTG team trying to get an operational Woolwich Ferry working in game

 

i did wonder if the sim track guys went over to jt and helped them develop the 108 with the 104 which ive been open about in the past was a tiny part of PFR and a bad choice of update has been left on the back burner. clearly they had skills for developing first gen units and something one would hope that they are still around working behind the scenes.

 

Why is the 104 a bad choice of update?

There is a complete branch line on PFR without any passenger services. There is one station on the mainline which if I recall doesn't have any services stopping in one direction.

 

I would've loved an update on PFR. I quite like the scenery but the timetable falls short. I can't seem to find any fun services in the timetable. Some more passenger services would be welcome, in the form of the 104 or something else.

 

Yes exactly. It is one of the prettiest UK routes in the sim and the only one set in the transition period, yet the passenger timetable is woeful. DTG could have created something special yet fell short.

Frankly I don't know why a developer can leave a route in such a state and then sit back and be satisfied.

 

Like SOS, with PFR there wasn’t much left to do after finishing the Journey mode other than those short bits and pieces with the 4F.

 

Probably commercially led decision. Once again the core UK route for TSW next version is a modern day wow layers 66 GSMR PIS etc. Peak forest should have been way better than it was. The 45 could have been backdated etc. The DTG policy of fire and forget is alive and well.

 

the fact that neither dtg nor simtrack have officially confirmed that the project is scrapped is very interesting, i do highly doubt that it’ll ever come but until that’s written in black and white it can’t be ruled out completely

 

DTG Alex DTG Matt is there any chance you guys could throw us a bone and just let us know where we stand on this one?

Most of if not all of us on this thread supported DTG twice with PFR and SOS, then we all got swept under the rug with steam as a whole. But despite that we're still here over two years later, still supporting the game and the vision you're working on. Most of us will support TSG with the German Steam route too.

Just this once is there any chance DTG could just meet us half way on this one?

 

Well presumably it's yes it's still in development or no you'll never see it.

It gets asked a lot so I can't see why a definitive answer is not possible unless it's a case of it's stalled but not shelved?

 

There was an answer given. They had lost contact with the person doing the 104.
I'm not sure how they give you a "definitive" answer when the developer went silent.
That is the answer.
They don't know.

 

Schrödinger's Class 104?