Train Sim World 7 - Discussion

Focus restructured and rebranded as Pullup shortly afterwards but kept the Focus name for their publishing subsidiary for the games they publish themselves but DTG are not part of that subsidiary, they are still a separate entity and still publish their own games. You can see the publisher is Dovetail Games on the TSW product pages on the stores. As parent company Pullup will call the shots financially.

 

Maybe 50% off the price on release day as a tangible apology and gesture of goodwill for everything thus far would suffice.

To be honest I’m so confused by what comes with what because the PR spin made it all so cloak and dagger, what is the actual benefit for a PS5 user downloading the free pack of TSW7 beyond AI conductor? Genuine question as I’m more concerned it’ll break my existing DLC at this rate

 

The cursor movement is big for me on PS5, for rushing ahead of the train for a fly-by and most importantly, switching points on the map.

 

Are we on console getting the fast speed external cam? If so I’ll download it just for that. I agree it makes fly by shots even easier to watch

 

That's what I've been led to believe. It's possible I've got it wrong, but pc could already do this I think.
Grab the freebie and see.

 

Yes PC already can but if it comes back to console, fantastic and it gets my full support

 

You'll need the free game if you want to purchase the future non-core routes going forwards.

 

And for any future updates to existing routes or the core.

 

From what I've gathered without any of the core routes and with consoles not having any of the advanced visual options, the only things console will get from a free upgrade will be AI Conductor, faster external cam movement, weather 'improvements' and TSR improvements. Genuinely one of the worst upgrades to date for things beyond the core routes, for consoles at least.

I will still stand by the fact that TSW 4's core upgrade, which was what brought us Free Roam, has yet to be beaten. With the way TSW is going I highly doubt it ever will be beaten. Adding such a brilliant core feature while simultaneously being the last full game release before consoles got blurry textures, mounting issues became so severe ect IMO makes TSW 4 a peak in the game's history which it might never reach again at this rate.

 

I speak as a Gen9 PS5 user here ..

But I fear with the console side of things, issues like blurring and other issues, have unfortunately become more complex and deep rooted in the game because they were never addressed 'as they happened' so to speak. I appreciate the work that is going on behind the scenes to attempt to remedy this situation and probably more work then we can imagine. But I think the time that has passed on not fixing them as they happened, has led to a snowball effect where as something that could have been a relatively simple fix in the first place, has become more complex as more DLCs and more titles of that game have come out. What could have been maybe a few small issues, has got more complex by other issues from other DLCs and titles, that also contribute to the same problem. It's a bit like having to untangle headphone wires that were left in your coat pocket, it starts off with one knot but then gets more and more complex... I'm beginning to fear there are becoming very limited options that can improve the outcome of Gen9 unfortunately. Don't get me wrong I'm still of the belief it is perfectly capable hardware, but the way the game has been engineered and optimised quite badly (speaking in historic terms, not including the remedy work that's going on) I just think options are beginning to run out to get it to work how we want it too.

It's certainly disheartening to see PC users get the best out of the game, and us console users on Gen9 get what feels like the 'mid range' version. Blurring is still an ongoing issue and I fear I think it's to late in the day to fix it without substantial and noticeable differences being made to the game. But whilst I admit it's disheartening to some extent, I've come to a level of acceptance about it now.

As a PS5 user, I'd maybe consider the leap to PC if a similar principle to Xbox was in place where I could use my Microsoft account to download TSW and all of its accompanying DLC to a PC (which is a very good system. If I've understood correctly that's how it works). The frustrating part is, I'm to far committed now with the PS5 now, so I cannot afford to buy all the UK DLC content again as my library is all on PS5. My hope now, is being patient pays off, and the hope that Gen10 consoles aren't to far on the horizon so I can make a leap and take my library with me to a more powerful system that may just enjoy the benefits PC users are benefitting from.

I've made my bed so I've got to lay in it and I'm far to committed financially and library wise to the console variation and I'd imagine that may be the case for many others. Gen10 is looking fairly promising at the moment, so I'm hoping the jump to newer hardware may just be enough to be able to game with full fat content.

 

Don’t ever say you’ve made your bed!!
You’ve bought a product in good faith mate and had the p taken out of you as have others for many a year, so don’t blame yourself at all!!!

 

Well, I'm not sure if AI conductor and TSR improvements are coming to old routes - has that been confirmed?

 

The AI conductor has been explained to be set up that it can work on all trains as a universal thing, where it might not work on older content is in situations where the driver is supposed to open the doors rather than the guard, on such trains the AI will just handle the whole thing anyway. TSR improvements is coming to old routes as the changes have been made to the core of how it works.

 

The fast cursor movement been a feature in tsw2/3 and 2020 but was removed for some reason in later games on consoles with no explanation as to why and yet this is being sold as a new feature? What a joke

 

I've been playing since Rush Hour time and it has never been fast.

 

But only with a keyboard. With a gamepad, everything is the same as on consoles.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ra-is-a-little-broken-classic-controls.73826/

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/fast-free-mode-camera.81907/

 

Thanks and apologies. I was never aware of its existence.

 

I play on PC with controller and am really looking forward to actually being able to set up passing views, etc.

 

Yes, yes. Finally, there will be a bell on the gamepad.

 

A few days ago I loaded up The Riviera line, wanted to replicate a 47 hauled Railtour so attempted to spawn in a JT 47 and Mark II set.

Tried being the operative word. Got the "No room in formation" or whatever it is. Either way I couldn't spawn it in. The point of Free Roam is to drive whatever you want when you want.

I really hope Free Roam for TSW7 is fixed so we can indeed drive what we want when we want.

 

Not sure if I should start a new thread for this but thought I’d ask here first…

I’ve changed platforms this year and this is my first game upgrade on Steam having been on Xbox for 7 years. There’s a couple of things I’d like to know.


First of all, am I right in thinking that there is a way to avoid having to re-download your DLC on steam? I’m sure I saw someone on this forum say it was possible to copy and paste DLC folder to new game but I may have dreamt that.


Also, my game save. So pleased that steam cloud will be supported from 7 onwards as I fell foul of corrupted game saves a few times earlier this year when I was just getting started with Steam. That said, I’m of the understanding that I will still need to do it manually for 6 to 7. Is it just a case of copying and pasting the folder from Documents to the relevant folder on the new game?

Finally, I spent months dialling in my graphics, hardware and ini settings. Will I be able to copy the in game settings across and also, the lines of code I’ve put in my ini, will I be able to just copy and paste that to new game ini?

Thank you in advance to anybody who can help this. Seen a few sarcastic (so unlike this forum) “it’s the same as it is every year” posts in recent days but as I’ve changed platforms, I’ve needed to ask

 

Yes, you’re right that some users do that, but it does lead to issues. DTG advises reinstalling all DLCs normally, and they really wouldn’t say that if it wasn’t necessary. In fact, DTG would prefer not to use this method either, but at the moment there simply isn’t another way.
Regarding your .ini tweaks: you don’t need them anymore because of the new lighting system and the Epic in‑game settings. You should also consider whether you even want to use .ini modifications, since a lot of things are already pre‑configured now. You can disable the new lighting system and go back to the old method, but I’m not sure what the benefit would be. It’s also possible that certain settings cause crashes due to the performance changes in the game. So I’m afraid it’s no longer a simple copy‑paste situation that just works.

 

Some people claim you can just copy your TSW6 files to the TSW7 folder and Steam will just download the new files and patch the differences.

I think the files are different enough that you will download everything anyway.

Up to you if you want to try.

The game will ask if you want to import your old profile when you start it the first time.

If you are new to PC I would not mess with config files. Some config options may change from version to version and copying the old save file to the new version may have unexpected results.

It's not officially supported. Do it at your own risk.

TSW7 changes all the maximum graphics settings. Your old ini will need to be adjusted because of this.

Copying files with old settings you don't understand can have unexpected results.
Do at your own risk

 

Don't forget console players will also get the garish new UI in the free update. Unless they fix that between now and release.

 

Just watched the PC epic setting trailer for TSW7. It literally transforms the game completely in graphics, tone of the route. Adds character. Really impressed.

 

Will doors that are not on the platform remain closed?

Will there be an option to add congestion or traffic during a service?

 

I would surmise, based on prior DTG performance, that the answer is yes, at launch, and then it'll be broken in a subsequent patch.

 

TSW7 no.

After 6 years of nothing but aggravation, Bugs never fixed, Poor Customer Service, Poor Product Quality.
Leaving feedback or Using Customer Support.

dtg don’t care, haven’t done in years to treat its customers like beta testers and silencing those that demanded action after 6 years of poor performance.

Quite simply it’s not worth it now, especially with 6 years of backlogged content I haven’t played.

TSW7 will be nothing different from that of the past.
And to speak of such issues would likely get a person band now.

So why waste the money and time complaining only to get band or ordered around like a child.
As a customer with many products still unfixed, many from as far back as TSW2.
Then with patches that remove liveries in editing, resulting in hours of work gone, just to much risk and hassle.

No more.

When the fun stops, stop.

Take care Folks.

TSLP.
Rigsby.
Lee.

✌.

 

For me it hinges on todays console stream to change my mind.

But as of now for the first time since 2020 I will not be purchasing TSW 7. I am just going to claim the free "upgrade" and wait and see if there is any signifigant improvement on console by Christmas.

By then it will probably be 50% off in a sale.

But I don't see any reason to hop on board right now if your on Xbox with the state of the game right now.

 

The only reason I might not get a TSW7 bundle right now is that there is a new PS store sale with quite a few TSW6 items in it that I do want. There are several routes and locos with 20-35% discounts and I’m thinking of buying some of them now instead of waiting for them to come up again in later sales. That means I could be spending £80 in the sale and have a lot of new content to play. The Deluxe Edition of TSW7 isn’t going to get any more expensive by me not buying it now (I don’t qualify for the preorder discount) so there’s no time limit on getting that bundle. I don’t really want to be getting five or six new routes at the same time by buying it as well and I’m not really in a hurry for any of the TSW7 routes.

It would be weird getting to grips with some ‘new to me’ older content while everyone else is talking about the core routes but as I buy most DLC in sales I’m never really at the forefront of reacting to content. I’m going to crunch some numbers and see if the content in the sale is cheap enough and decide whether it’s better than the TSW7 content. One of the routes is the Czech route and another is Medway and these are both raved about on the forum. Those are good routes to be getting in a sale. Are they better for me right now than the excellent looking A&W network, the variety of NuWu and the quite boring looking Miami route? There’s also Birmingham to Crewe in the sale but that might push the spend a bit high, especially if I get a couple of the loco DLC on offer.

So the TSW7 Deluxe might be getting pushed back to a later purchase, caused only by this sale popping up. It’s an odd time to have a sale.

 

So there we are 3 minutes into the Console stream running the Geman Route and Out of Video memory CTD.

So no thanks, skipping this year.

 

Watching the console stream right now, first service, leaving Nurnburg, an out of memory crash within a minute.....

 

Yup, and given what was said about blurry textures you can expect those again too.

Fortunately the PS5 build doesn’t suffer these memory dump crashes, but I suspect we trade that off for the textures just blurring even more.

Also the first screen he went to didn’t work with the screen view option that has been broken since TSW5 & he seemed surprised. Not very comforting at all for the whole 2 minutes of gameplay shown.

Also he’s been loading in for quite a while, so is console not getting the new faster loading?

 

Yes, burry textures is ongoing work, so not fixed at all.

 

Tremendous start to the console stream

 

Z-fighting on the thing (don't know what it is) right of the aws flower on the Class 333

Update: someone in the stream chat mentioned the Z-fighting as annoying, Matt confirmed it's annoying, but nothing more about it.

Update 2: the AWS flower itself has also Z-fighting when lit

 

[Edit - Calling for staff firings]. This is not a good look on the console. Thing is, people will still buy it and they’ll keep making it and subcontracting to Rivet..

 

I’m not watching the console stream live as I’ve watched too much TSW recently and the console stream is going to be a long one. I’ll watch it later, in a couple of sessions. As with my above post, I’m not likely to get the game during early access and may not be getting a bundle at all so there’s no panic to watch the stream before early access begins. One thing I didn’t consider when wondering whether to leave getting a bundle for a while was the fact that there’s likely to be all manner of release bugs. The decision might be making itself here.

 

I think we all know QA is non-existent or pointless. I mean even Matt just mentioned an issue maybe being reported by QA but he’d have to check - so if there’s an issue why is it not being fixed or even known about?

As for beta testers, they’re as useful as ambassadors. Free, early access to content - why rock that boat? Pretty much every single preview where a console question has come up, we always hear “beta team hasn’t reported any issues with that” and ‘that’ always turns out to indeed be an issue.

Something is very wrong inside of DTG, or maybe not. After all they’re only making more & more year after year with TSW.

 

This console stream is like a parody. The whole point was to prove that the game runs just as well on console. Literally within a minute Matt finds a bug making AFB unusable on the new ICE and then the game crashes shortly after starting the run. I'm not a console player, but I wouldn't blame them for being massively ticked off right now.

 

Systematic issues like these are rarely caused by people so down on the company hierarchy ladder...

 

Given the long development times and that console makes up a decent amount of sales... is there any, and I mean any, testing of any kind before things are shipped?

Given that the console stream had an almost immediate CTD I'm going to wager that this was likely the first time they actually tried this route on console.

First time since the original TSW that I'm holding off, which is a shame because the Leeds route is something which does interest me, alongside the new JT route and the Kings Cross route.

 

I'm not a console player so I was going to skip this stream, but once I saw the mention about the out of memory crash I decided to pop in and run it back. Absolutely diabolical moment there. Then the view screen bug, and the Z-fighting. This is what you guys have been dealing with? Wow.

I wouldn't even be grabbing the free version of this as that just pumps their user metrics anyway whether or not you actually buy any DLC. Can't believe people would put up with this or show any support whatsoever.

 

Well that's save me forty quid, and a whole lot of time downloading stuff next week. Let's look in again when the massive patch arrives in December?

 

that AFB issue exists on the eviro on crewe to MK speed set too and still isn't fixed. seems that screen operated speed set/AFB just isn't possible on console. watching the stream back "will check if it's fixed on the dev build"...guessing it won't be

think i'd already decided anyway i won't be buying TSW7, for many reasons, but if i was 99% sure before tonight, i'm obviously now 100%

"this is why i wanted to do this stream, so people can see any problems". either there's no testing, or they just don't care. already older gen consoles are not supported, i'm wondering when they just make the decision to no longer support consoles at all. expect more reduced timetables for consoles at the same price as the PC release folks. until something major changes, i'm out

 

The problem is if they drop console completely they also lose between half and two thirds of their revenue, depending on which sales split is most accurate. Good for them if they can afford to disregard that kind of revenue and just walk away from that many customers. It's not like you can just pick up a PC that will run TSW well in your local supermarket, or afford to just buy all your DLC again. This year I think may have become a turning point in TSW, or at least it should, but I have a feeling they'll just plough on regardless and hope for the best. Not the best way to celebrate the tenth anniversary of your franchise...

 

Something that’s bothering me is this new ‘fast loading’ system.

So, from the Xbox stream it seems that this doesn’t actually mean you load into the game from desktop quicker. The saving seems to be leaving a route & going back to the menu, but then in the menu it just seems to be presenting a stuttery mess of route & train images slowly loading?

Am I the only one that would rather just wait the 30-60 seconds to load back into a fully loaded menu? It’s hardly an improvement on load times if you’re not actually loading anything? In fact this new system just seems to showcase what loading screens exist for.

 

Sadly, Matt didn't show the Class 331 on console, so I still don't know if this unit has also Z-fighting issues.

 

Could have been if they had focused on it rather than the PC version getting better visuals (PC players have mods to cover that).