Route Bahnstrecke Nürnberg - Würzburg - Feedback Thread

I have a question: Is the BR442 compatible with automatic operation? I am using "Train Conductor Mode."
If it is supposed to be automatic, it isn't working.
PC/Steam version.

 

btw how do you see the digital and analog brake gauges on ICE4? it kinda looks like the analogue doesnt respond much if at all and the digital screen doesnt seem to give me good idea of how much brake effort is given either (it shows percentage ok, but doesnt give me good idea of how much air and e-braking is going on)

 

I noticed this too, however, am assuming that there is quite a lot of blending happening as well irl. I need to dive a little deeper into this until I feel comfortable enough to comment (or judge) on that…

 

The vectron keeps saying turn on ATB and you can't set the afb speed. What did they do copy and paste the other red vectron with all its bugs. Well done DTG .

 

well, I remember Vectron having modern displays while doing a lot of blending when braking - at 1a/1b (or equivalent percentage) it would usually use just e-brake, at higher it would start using air... even at standstill, if you moved the train brake handle, you could see at least one needle moving and a slight hissing sound of air

here if you open the second tab on the digital display, you can see some stuff happening, but lets say the bar on the right thats supposed to be moving as you move the lever, it doesnt do anything either

like yeah, most ppl wouldnt notice if they just look straight ahead, but I like to check the gauges when braking, so I noticed right away (even the AFB standing brake I can only see on the digital display, not in the slight pressure of air on the pads that should probably be also visible on the analogue dial)

 

The thing is that the ICE 4 uses a lot of direct braking irl (also on individual carriages), which will have no effect on HL. But how all this world together and is supposed to be displayed I do not yet know…

 

AFB works fine on the vectron. Press the speed set button on the screen on the right, move the AFB lever into position, press the top of the afb lever to confirm the speed set.

 

Doesn't work with a controller when you press x and dpad up.

 

I dont know, ICE 3 the newer version also had some weird braking, but you could at least see the needles moving when adjusting the train brake lever... there is this 5 bar thing, which should go lower when you use air (and the 10 bar thing is reservoir, I think?)

 

Indeed, but HL (5 bar) will not be used for a direct braking… then again, no idea how this works on the ice 4.

 

ICE 4

Can someone from DTG confirm that, despite the brake mode toggle being there and clickable, there is absolutely no system difference?

I've tried clicking it a few times, holding it, nothing results in any display indication changes or any difference in braking behaviours. It should cycle from blended (normal) > electric only (with Nur e-Bremse indication) > air brake only (with Nur Luftbremse) > blended.

 

ICE 4

I will also add that LZB feels a little "off". I think the braking curve is too shallow and is requesting braking too early. The braking can also mostly be dealt with by using lower brake settings, which also seems wrong. So this is either a too shallow LZB curve, and/or brakes being too effective at lower settings

 

ICE4

The MFD indication of AFB lever position (top left) showing speed should only show the speed of the current AFB position, and not be affected by LZB. Right now it reduces the indication to whatever LZB demands/allows, which is incorrect.

The yellow indication on the speed dial is also incorrect. First, the yellow diamond should be within the white markings around the speed dial (ie in the same radius), not externally as it currently is. Secondly, it should not disappear when under LZB - as above, it should remain in the AFB lever's position only. LZB speed is indicated with the red triangle on the outside of the speed dial only.

This ICE4 really needs a bit of work.

 

I agree. The volume is too low, so I can't hear what is being said, even with the settings at maximum. (PC/Steam version)
Please fix this.

 

I have a question: does the game stutter near Nuremberg?
PC/Steam version
Please fix this.

 

PS5 Pro
I experienced a sound delay while testing the American map at night, later, when I went to the menu, there was a lag between the click and the corresponding beep ... Quitting and reloading the game fixed the issue for the moment, but I'll have to see if it happens again next time, probably tonight.

 

Hello, on the BR440 during a PZB penalty brake (a speed trap out between Rottendorf and Kitzingen iirc) there was no beep / buzz during the brake once triggered until releasing at standstill - just the penalty brake and a confused me. On Windows PC / normal keyboard mouse etc.

 

Wanted to start me freight journey but no surprise safety systems dont work and now afb can't be set using a controller. I mean did we even do Q&A and testing on the routes. I think not.

 

In Nürnberg Hbf, in reality there is no train route from Steinbühl Tief diverging towards Hauptgüterbahnhof / Regiowerk - there are in fact no "proper" train routes from Hbf to Hgbf, only shunting routes (Rangierfahrstraßen). The only full train movements in Hgbf are Rangierbahnhof to Jansenbrücke. Generally the signalling system tends to give train routes (Hp 1 or 2) even though the journey is a shunting manouver (e.g. 58249 preparing for service in Würzburg), in 99,9% of cases that the train does not leave the station itself, it is a shunting manouver. Credit where it's due, the RE services usually use one half of 12 and 13, which is correct.

 

PC
I don't know if this was intentional, but maybe remove the invisible wall between Nürnberg Steinbühl and the DB Museum. Since you can walk in both areas it's a bit useless to have a wall there. Definitely not the most important bug fix in this thread, but still a would be nice to have thingy

Also after recording the video I discovered that the player can actually fit between the stairs and walkway at around 0:18 seconds and there is no wall there, but still it would be nice to have the other walls removed too.

 

Platform: PC / Steam
Vehicle: ICE 4 / BR 412

• The coupling hatch / "Bugklappe" is not working. Additionally, you can couple without the coupling hatch being open, which is surely not intended.
• Braking sounds are missing. Air "hissing" currently only plays once when applying the brakes, but not when applying them more.
• AFB needs fine tuning, often results in overspeed (ex. AFB set to 100, train will do something like 103-104 without braking)
• LZB Sounds are missing, for example such as when switching from PZB to LZB.
• "Führerraum besetzt" sound missing
• MG Brakes do not actually lower when in Emergency Brake setting.
• The contact signaller button is bound to the GSMR Emergency button, instead of the telephone / handle thing!!!

 

PS5 Pro.
On the ICE 4, the fans have a poor loop point when you are in the cab.

The BR 440 suffers from audio popping that occurs intermittently and randomly at higher speeds.

Apart from that, the entire route is of really high quality, and I am pleasantly surprised by the high quality of TSW7 compared to previous versions.

 

Sorry, that hint didn't work. If I change that settings the screen doesn't work at all.

 

PC (Steam), DB BR412 - AFB function wish for better usage.
It would be great if there is an option/setting for turning the AFB-Lever much slower. It is very hard to set to AFB to like exactly 140 km/h (DB BR 403, 412 etc.). I need several attempts to set the AFB to an exact speed. It always gets 2-3 km/h too much or to litte. It would be very nice if there were an option to press for example shift + r/f so you can set the speed very slow and precisely.

 

Weird. It works for me. Doesn't surprise me that people get different results

 

Same for the US deluxe loco. You can easily hear the loop restart

 

The 802 on the Airedale & Wharfdale also has the audio popping issue on PS5. Same as the 802 on the Riviera Line which was never addressed…

 

Hi at KM 63.8 I found a Giant hole in the Map in directon to Wüzburg, next to an Overpass
Platform: Steam.

 

PC/Steam
(The following content is machine translation, and the wording may not be accurate)

Feedback on ICE4 related issues:​

• AFB may not perform very realistically, for example, when set to 138km/h, AFB may only control the speed when it reaches 141km/h, and the braking may repeatedly increase and decrease when going downhill, causing the train to sway. After saving and reading, the right half of the display screen does not show power and braking, and the AFB is stuck at the speed when saving (if it is turned off at this time, it cannot continue to be used)
• When driving at a speed limit of 250+, if the speed limit in front of LZB drops from 250 to below 200, the brake will be applied at a distance of 10km to reduce the speed from 265km/h to 230km/h within 2 seconds, and then complete the normal deceleration curve. This is too violent, and is there a common problem of LZB braking timing being too early in the game, or is the actual braking timing the same? However, reducing the speed from 265km/h to 230km/h within 2 seconds is definitely a mistake.
• The display screen appears too bright in dark environments, and even with the lowest brightness adjustment, it feels very white.
• The braking force of 1A seems to be inconsistent with reality.
• I hope to experience the schedule and schedule of ICE4 on other maps. It would be great if there were accurate electronic display boards for the destinations of ICE3, 4 on all maps.

Feedback on the W ü rzburg Nuremberg issue:​

• When a long train enters the station, it needs to stop as close to the top of the platform as possible. However, there are four 500HZ、2000HZ magnets at the exit traffic lights of W ü rzburg and Nuremberg. The train passes through the magnet about 60 meters away from the signal light at the top of the platform, and regardless of the speed, it will directly trigger emergency braking. If it is a 16 car ICE3 train at this time, it will cause the last carriage to be unable to stop on the platform.
• The low frame rate near W ü rzburg and Nuremberg cannot be solved by adjusting the screen settings (the frame rate of these two stations is not low in free mode, and saving and reloading the frame rate at a distance of 2km from the station will also increase, which is interesting)

 

On PC / Steam

- Service RE10 (58219) Wurzburg Hbf to Nurnberg Hbf:

PZB tiggered 500 hz magnet on departing Wurzburg Platform 7 despite green signal

Also

BR440 - no safety systems on (all set to auto-on in settings)

 

PC (Steam): I was spending some time at Wurzburg watching the trains, when I noticed the ICE 620 had been delayed. (It should have arrived there at 17:52) At first for 5 minutes, but eventually 20. I did find it on the map, and it was still driving, but it was behind a slower train, so it kept running in to reds.

I checked the settings and delays are turned off, so I don't understand why this is happening.
Also, no mods used.

Its the BR403 starting from Nurnberg at 16:56.

 

What was the service it was behind? Passenger or freight?

 

Freight Service GAG 48912 has a Load Passengers instruction

The objective completes, and the service can continue normally.. it just makes you wonder....

PC/Steam

 

Very frustrating that the safety systems aren't on automatically on one of the new trains for TSW7.

Makes me wonder how many of the older trains it won't work on?

 

Honestly the experience with the 440 has been kinda poor so far. The worst of any of the trains included in TSW7 for sure.

Gotta be one of the worst loco tutorials we've had in a while:

Has you drive with no lights on

Doesn't explain recovery from emergency brake (does anyone know? I couldn't figure it out and had to reset physics)

Doesn't explain that you have to get up and isolate the local door control at the beginning of a service (unless that's a bug- I've only run one service)

Outside of the tutorial:

I noticed the "storung" voice is very faint, although the announcements seem fine.

No auto-conductor on "realistic", but maybe that matches IRL. Perhaps there could be a popup at the beginning telling you in such cases? Or an icon when you select the train?

I generally really like the live weather but the fog to no-fog transitions are awful imo. Went from heavy fog to no fog (cloudy) instantly, and then back again a few minutes later. It's either not pinging the weather service frequently enough and missing the transition, or something is messed up and there literally is no "light fog/mist" setting available- my bet is on the former because the Route Annotations app for TSW6 handles it much better.

Speaking of fog, there is fog INSIDE the passenger compartment of the BR440 when it's foggy outside- not sure if a bug with the train or the route itself.

 

I was thinking the same thing about the auto conductor. It's supposed to operate based on how the actual train works. But I have about 50 routes for TSW. Am I supposed to have working knowledge about all of them? A popup or something would be a great idea, to see what the conductor is SUPPOSED to be doing in the first place.

Completely agree about the fog "transitions" in live weather as well, they are actually quite jarring. One of the reasons I have already stopped using live weather.

 

Interestingly, I'm quite enjoying the BR440 and quite enjoy driving it. As for the recovery from emergency brakes, I think you need to set the direct brake to release/drive (the lever on the right).

The live weather transitions are known to be poor and I believe a first improvement is coming with the real launch on Tuesday.

 

Passenger I think, with a freight in front of that.

Anyway, I let the AI run it twice now, while coming along for the ride, and both times it arrived at 17:45.
The only thing I can think of is that at Wurzburg when I was watching the trains, I spawned in at 16:55, while spawning in at 16:50 on both AI runs.

 

Yeah I'll give it another try. Just was kind of rough compared to the rest of the package on offer.

I did like the sounds though

 

Yea the tutorial was not good. The rough part of the package for me was the fact that they used the broken vectron. And couldn't be bothered to make a new one.

 

PC (Steam) DB BR412 Feedback (Bug):
- In reality the passenger information displays at the outer side of the entry doors of the train turn off as soon as the train reaches a specific speed. I dont know the exact speed but it should be something between 60-70 km/h. In TSW these displays are on all the time.

 

ICE 4: In the LZB section of the route, the LZB panel is not looking what the signals aspects are far ahead enough and is sometimes triggering the deceleration curve when it is not needed. It is annoying.

PS: I noticed this several times with the ICE 4, but I'm guessing all the other ICEs will have the same problem. I just didnt play them in this route yet.

 

On RE19 (4925), I recieved a yellow signal and proceeded to slow down within the braking curve. However, there is a 500 Hz magnet about 500 metres before the next signal (10 956)!! I recieved a penalty brake application whilst still going ~80km/h. There should not be a 500 Hz magnet there!

 

I have a question. It seems like signal R30 on track 30 at Nuremberg Station isn't lit up. It remains dark when I approach it in the S-Bahn, even though the HUD shows it as blue. Does anyone know about this?